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Smallish room, limited options, need advice

post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 
Folks -

I recently purchased a new home with an above-garage bonus room. I've begun the process of building a dedicated HT room and could use some advice.

Some background:
  1. The room is already finished, but nothing in place for a home theater setup
  2. I've already got some gear (some of it leftover from a previous home theater, some of it recently purchased). The three main pieces are a Denon AVR-4306, Older SVS Cylindar sub (roughly equivalent to a PC12-Plus), and a Panasonic PT-AE4000U projector
  3. Planning to purchase JTR speakers, either the T8's or T12's
  4. The room is 16'2" by 13'6". Unfortunately, the window is on the narrow wall
  5. Planning to purchase Berkline 45004 theater seats - four chairs with the middle two being a loveseat
  6. Planning to use a 110" wide 2.35 CIH screen

The biggest decision I need to make really soon is the direction to arrange the screen and seating. Here is a drawing that's at scale with seating and screen on the shorter length of the room:



Advantages:
  • Longer viewing distance (about 11'6") supporting potentially bigger screen
  • Less room customization (see next option)
  • WAF a lot higher
  • A little extra seating space for larger groups

Disadvantages:
  • Seating against the back wall (people keep telling me this is really bad)
  • Can't use AT screen material and position speakers behind the screen


Here's the other option, which was suggested by some forum members after I posted an unrelated question in another area:



Advantages:
  • Seating isn't up against the wall
  • Can position speakers behind AT screen

Disadvantages:
  • Will be covering a window (or at least rendering it unusable)
  • View distance is cut down by about a foot (the 119" diagonal 2.35 screen may be too big)
  • Have to custom build a frame to mount the screen


Here's what the front view of the system would look like if I went with option 2:



The yellow represents a custom 2x4 frame. I'd probably put the equipment under the screen and make some black curtains that would cover the gear up during movie watching. The blue frame is the window behind the frame.

Anyone have other thoughts or suggestions? Which of these would you go with for a dedicated home theater?
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post #2 of 13
I think the real question you have to ask yourself, is just how important is that window to you (no suggestion of removing the window). In any projection based system, unless the window can be totally blacked out during daylight hours, it will be a problem.
post #3 of 13
I would block out the window in manner that leaves it appear normal from outside the house. I like the longways orientation with the AT screen. But I'm not wild about the rack location under the screen.
post #4 of 13
here is my room. It is 15' x 13' with 8' ceilings. I had only a small space to work with as well, so maybe seing some pictures of a room that small will help you out some. You need to think about how you are going to be using your room and when. If it is mainly at night, I would say get a shade AND dark blinds for the window and leave it at that. That should also suffice for daytime watching, but obviously, some picture quality will be sacraficed.




post #5 of 13
There are many similar sized theaters in the small builds thread. Check my sig.

Victor
post #6 of 13
2nd option for sure unless your wife wont allow covering the window. If this room is for movie watching a window is pointless anyways. Unless your watching a boring movie. Then you can star gaze

A plus to this is you can much more easily balance your audio and add treatments evenly if you want.

+1 on not having the equipment under your screen. I had that and it was horribly distracting.
post #7 of 13
Thread Starter 
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In any projection based system, unless the window can be totally blacked out during daylight hours, it will be a problem.

Yep, planning to do some work there. Do you see anything else fundamentally wrong with that design, Dennis?

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But I'm not wild about the rack location under the screen.

DC - I plan to mount some black curtains below the screen that stay closed most of the time. Do you still think it would be a problem? Is it an aesthetic thing, or will I have issues with vibrations with the center channel sitting on top of the equipment rack?

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I had only a small space to work with as well, so maybe seing some pictures of a room that small will help you out some.

Thanks luelf21 - it does help to see your setup (awesome work, btw). How big is your screen, and what is your actual viewing distance?

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There are many similar sized theaters in the small builds thread. Check my sig.

Thanks for the link Victor - I checked out your setup and am reading through the thread now. Same question to you - how big is your screen and what's your viewing distance?

Sounds like most folks are really against the equipment under the screen. I do have room behind the couch in the bottom-right corner if it's really that crucial. I decided on the front mostly because the room is already a little cramped and the AT screen with speakers mounted behind provides a nice spot. If you look at the picture facing front, imagine some really dark curtains mounted on the bottom 2x4 of the screen frame. Still distracting?
post #8 of 13
What you are overlooking and most do with the lights on your equipment you would need to make sure that they do not shine on the backside of your AT screen. If they do they actually light up the screen and can wash out your image slightly.
post #9 of 13
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Originally Posted by minpin View Post

Thanks luelf21 - it does help to see your setup (awesome work, btw). How big is your screen, and what is your actual viewing distance?

123" 16:9 screen. front row is 10' away, second row will be about 15' away
post #10 of 13
Thread Starter 
Wow, 123" 16x9 from 10 feet away? That's gotta look huge for HDTV and gaming (do you do any gaming at that size?).

I'm going to be about 10.5 feet away and going with a 119" 2.35 CIH setup, which means my 16x9 viewing is limited to about 97 inches diagonal.

I wake up at night in a cold sweat about my screen size - they Seymour AT screen at this size runs about $1400 plus shipping. I do think they have a 30 day return policy if I feel the need to go bigger - but I'd also have to start from scratch on the frame.
post #11 of 13
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Originally Posted by minpin View Post

Wow, 123" 16x9 from 10 feet away? That's gotta look huge for HDTV and gaming (do you do any gaming at that size?).

I'm going to be about 10.5 feet away and going with a 119" 2.35 CIH setup, which means my 16x9 viewing is limited to about 97 inches diagonal.

I wake up at night in a cold sweat about my screen size - they Seymour AT screen at this size runs about $1400 plus shipping. I do think they have a 30 day return policy if I feel the need to go bigger - but I'd also have to start from scratch on the frame.

Yeah it's pretty big. I do play xbox 360 on it, and it's simply amazing (cod mw2). It takes a few games to get used to it, but once you are, it's hard to go back to even a 54".

I also have directv hooked up to it. It looks "ok" on most channels in HD, with the exception of certain shows on national geographic, discovery, history, and sports, which all look great.

Blu Ray quality is absolutely superb. It is crystal clear, sharp, and just awsome. For people that don't like it so close, they can simply sit in the second row.

Projector is infocus sp8602

screen is a VuTec with their soundscreen AT material

I also wanted to tell you that if equipment is a problem as far as finding a good place to put it, you could always think about removing it from the room and putting it in your basement (if you have one) or in a ventillated closet. You can buy a ir sensor/transmitter kit then just mount an ir sensor above or below the screen and then run the transmitters to each piece of equipment (wherever they are located). If you can see in my pics, my equipment is mounted behind my seating and this is the route I took to keep from having to hold the remote over my head to control everything.
post #12 of 13
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Yep, planning to do some work there. Do you see anything else fundamentally wrong with that design, Dennis?

I see several issues, some asthetic (think WAF); but, before I go down that track, I need to know the answer to the question I raised about the window.
post #13 of 13
Thread Starter 
Dennis - I do have plans for the window. It already has custom-fit blinds, and is facing a protected green belt. It never really gets any sun. In addition to the blinds, I'm planning to add black (or other deep color blackout) curtains to reduce light further. If I still have light issues, I'll take more dramatic steps. Honestly, even now with the blinds closed it gets pretty dark in that room and I haven't painted yet (stock off-color white on the walls right now).
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