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post #1 of 19
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I am hoping someone here can offer a simple solution to the problem I have been having with my OTA HDTV reception.

My problem is this:

1. Every time I walk near my RG6 cable the picture on my TV changes (pixelates, freezes or goes blank).
2. Picture is also altered when I touch the RG6 cable.
3. If I move the cable to a new position some stations disappear and new ones appear.
4. Perhaps most interesting - I get signals from most stations even when my RG6 cable is not connected to the antenna. The cable itself is acting as an antenna. Again, picture is altered when I move about the room or when I touch the cable. Reception varies based on the position of the cable - coiled or straight.

I am using Quad-Shield RG6 Cable from Monoprice for both TVs. Obviously, the TV signal is being influenced by my body but the Quad-Shield was supposed to prevent that. Do I need Hexa-Shield cable now?

I don't want to get cable or Dish, but I am sick and tired of messing with the RG6 cable every day. Can anybody shed some light on this situation?

Here is my set up:

TV: Panasonic Plasma - one 54" G10 and other 58" V10.
Antenna: Currently using Monoprice antennas - one for each TV - mounted to the side of my house, 2-4 feet from the roofline. Also tried two different Philips antennas, with the same results.
RF Cable: Currently using Quad-Shield RG6 cable from Monoprice. Also used other brands (GE, Comcast's standard install cable).
post #2 of 19
The connector at one or both ends of your cable is not properly attached.
post #3 of 19
Spock,
Do I understand correctly that you have 2 antennas going separatly to 2 TVs using RG6 and you have the problem with either TV when you walk near or touch the antenna cable for that TV?
Are you using any splitters or signal boosters?
Are both TV's properly grounded?
post #4 of 19
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Originally Posted by walford View Post

Spock,
Do I understand correctly that you have 2 antennas going separatly to 2 TVs using RG6 and you have the problem with either TV when you walk near or touch the antenna cable for that TV?
Are you using any splitters or signal boosters?
Are both TV's properly grounded?

That's correct.
Two antennas, one for each TV. I am using the amplifier that shipped with the Monoprice antenna. No other signal boosters or splitters.

I don't know any details about the TVs being grounded. They are plugged into normal wall outlets via surge suppressors. I could get a tester from Lowes to check the wiring in my house.
post #5 of 19
I assume that the TVs have 3 prong plugs. You might try using them with out the surge protectors as a test.
How are each of the Monoprice antenna amplifiers grounded?
Since you are not far from either set of towers have you tried unpluging the amplifiers since you may actually be overloading the digital tuners in your TV's causing them to cutout which is possible and which does not happen with analog tuners/
I see you live in San Diego. AFAIK their are OTA digital towers both in LaJola and to the East of town. Do you have one antenna pointed in each direction?
post #6 of 19
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Originally Posted by walford View Post

I assume that the TVs have 3 prong plugs. You might try using them with out the surge protectors as a test.
How are each of the Monoprice antenna amplifiers grounded?
Since you are not far from either set of towers have you tried unpluging the amplifiers since you may actually be overloading the digital tuners in your TV's causing them to cutout which is possible and which does not happen with analog tuners/
I see you live in San Diego. AFAIK their are OTA digital towers both in LaJola and to the East of town. Do you have one antenna pointed in each direction?

Actually, I live in Michigan. Just forgot to update my profile after I moved.
I have both antennas pointed in the same direction, since each antenna supports one TV. The TVs do have 3-prong plugs, but the Monoprice amps have just two prongs. I will try plugging the TV directly into the wall and see if that makes a difference.
post #7 of 19
How far are you from the TV towers your antennas are pointed at?
Does that mean that you will also unplug the amplifiers?
post #8 of 19
I would lose the amp. Without knowing your exact location it still seems your signals are very strong just by using the zipcode for grand rapids
post #9 of 19
Thread Starter 
I am 14-22 miles from the towers. I usually don't get any picture at all without the amps.
post #10 of 19
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Joel Graffman, Advanced Member: The connector at one or both ends of your cable is not properly attached.
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The connections seem tight. I have one coupling in the chain from the antenna to the TV, and that seems to be tight too. Is there anything else I need to check? The coupling was touching the metal door frame but I moved it, and that did not seem to make a difference.
post #11 of 19
Were the couplings in each of your 2 antenna to TV cable lines touching the door frame?
Have you tried any other antenna such as a rabbit ears or a coat hanger antennat with either of the two TVs? At 14-22 miles a simple antenna just might work.
A tight couplinng does mean that it is a good coupling since as Joel pointed out it appears that one of your connections is not makeing a good connection of both the shield and the center wire of the coax. With some home made connections the center wire of the coax is not soldered well to the center connector pin and therefore any movement of the connection will cause problems.
post #12 of 19
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Originally Posted by walford View Post

Were the couplings in each of your 2 antenna to TV cable lines touching the door frame?
Have you tried any other antenna such as a rabbit ears or a coat hanger antennat with either of the two TVs? At 14-22 miles a simple antenna just might work.
A tight couplinng does mean that it is a good coupling since as Joel pointed out it appears that one of your connections is not makeing a good connection of both the shield and the center wire of the coax. With some home made connections the center wire of the coax is not soldered well to the center connector pin and therefore any movement of the connection will cause problems.

Neither coupling is touching the door frame now. I tried other antennas, but had the same issues. There should be no termination issue as I am using pre-terminated cables from Monoprice.

Is it possible that the cable is not shielded well enough? Perhaps it is picking up signals from the air ....
post #13 of 19
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4. Perhaps most interesting - I get signals from most stations even when my RG6 cable is not connected to the antenna. The cable itself is acting as an antenna. Again, picture is altered when I move about the room or when I touch the cable. Reception varies based on the position of the cable - coiled or straight.

This indicates that the coax shield is not connected to the shell of the connector. If the coax is acting as an antenna, then the presence of your body is affecting the reception of the signal. If the shield was connected at both ends, then the presence of your body should not have an affect.

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The connections seem tight.

Just because the connector is tight doesn't mean that the shield is connected to the tuner through the connector. Do a check with an ohmmeter to be certain that the center conductor and shield are OK from end to end of the coax.
post #14 of 19
Are the coaxes grounded to ground blocks where they enter the house and grounded to your home's main power ground? If not, they should be.
post #15 of 19
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Originally Posted by arxaw View Post

Are the coaxes grounded to ground blocks where they enter the house and grounded to your home's main power ground? If not, they should be.

The cable is not grounded. I just ran it from the antenna to my TV. I am not familiar with 'grounding blocks', but I will google it. Perhaps the local Best Buy / Home Depot has them.

Would the absence of grounding cause the symptoms I mentioned in my first post? Or, are you suggesting I do this anyway?
post #16 of 19
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Originally Posted by rabbit73 View Post

This indicates that the coax shield is not connected to the shell of the connector. If the coax is acting as an antenna, then the presence of your body is affecting the reception of the signal. If the shield was connected at both ends, then the presence of your body should not have an affect.


Just because the connector is tight doesn't mean that the shield is connected to the tuner through the connector. Do a check with an ohmmeter to be certain that the center conductor and shield are OK from end to end of the coax.

Rabbit,

Thanks for the suggestions and identifying potential issues with the shielding in my cables. Since I do not have the technical expertise or equipment to test the cables, I just ordered new cables from the Audioholics store. They are well reviewed and have pure copper centers, instead of the Copper-coated-SS in the Monoprice cables. Perhaps that will solve my problems.

I will post an update once I receive and install the new cables.
post #17 of 19
The problem could easily be in the connectors you are using and not in one of the cables themselves.
What is the make/model of the connectors you are using?
post #18 of 19
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Originally Posted by walford View Post

The problem could easily be in the connectors you are using and not in one of the cables themselves.
What is the make/model of the connectors you are using?

I am using 'F81 Splice Barrel 2.5 GHz 1.1 Inch' connectors, purchased from YourBroadbandStore dot com. I think they are made by Qintar Technologies. Does that mean anything to you?
post #19 of 19
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Originally Posted by Spock1234 View Post

The cable is not grounded. I just ran it from the antenna to my TV. I am not familiar with 'grounding blocks', but I will google it. Perhaps the local Best Buy / Home Depot has them.

Would the absence of grounding cause the symptoms I mentioned in my first post? Or, are you suggesting I do this anyway?

All outdoor antennas should be grounded to the home's main electrical ground. A grounding block is used to ground the coax, and usually installed at the point where the coax enters the house.
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