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post #31 of 744
4/15/10 at 3:25am
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Digitally restored is not music in my ears, because its to often just DNR and EE.

Dont forget boosted contrast to...
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post #32 of 744
4/15/10 at 3:30am
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Originally Posted by MovieSwede View Post

Im starting to wonder if I never seen the orginal cut of the movie, since I dont remember that song at all, were did they play it in the movie?

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Cant find what version I actually have seen of this movie. If anyone can link a clip of what version is what. I would be very greatful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv6VW4tMZbE
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post #33 of 744
4/15/10 at 4:05am
THE LAST OF THE MOHICANS
ALIEN ANTHOLOGY
THE ROCKY HORROR PICTURE SHOW (35TH ANNIVERSARY)

It's about time, and now that Cameron's done with Avatar I hope he'll address The Abyss. They should be able to do both versions on the same disc using seamless branching, but then it appears that particular Blu-ray "feature" process was marketing BS rather than a product reality.
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post #34 of 744
4/15/10 at 4:06am
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv6VW4tMZbE

Thanks, cant find my DVD so I cant check what version I have. Funny its always the DVD you want to watch that is missing. :S
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post #35 of 744
4/15/10 at 5:33am
Some of the added material to the DC was great and should never have been removed for the theatrical release. But some of the deletions in the DC pissed me off royally. A few great lines of dialogue were excised and I cannot fathom why. The "disagreement" line in particular was a great moment from the theatrical. Not having it in the DC was distracting and annoying.
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post #36 of 744
4/15/10 at 6:56am
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THE LAST OF THE MOHICANS
○ All-new Director’s Definitive Cut and interviews with Daniel Day Lewis

ALIEN ANTHOLOGY
â—‹ All four Alien films digitally restored and available together in a six disc set packed with extras

WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE’S ROMEO & JULIET
â—‹ New high definition transfer and BD Live special features including Live Lookup

This is great news! great back-catalogue movies finally coming out on blu ray.

I upscaled my copy of LOTM a while back, and it was ok, but it's just not the same. I really hope they put some effort into the transfers, and don't have the DNR and EE set to '11'.
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post #37 of 744
4/15/10 at 6:59am
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Originally Posted by matt_stevens View Post

some of the added material to the dc was great and should never have been removed for the theatrical release. But some of the deletions in the dc pissed me off royally. A few great lines of dialogue were excised and i cannot fathom why. The "disagreement" line in particular was a great moment from the theatrical. Not having it in the dc was distracting and annoying.

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post #38 of 744
4/15/10 at 7:29am
LOTM was the first DVD I ever bought back in '99. I've never seen the directors cut.

I'm excited about almost all the the titles listed in this thread. Pretty Cool.
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post #39 of 744
4/15/10 at 7:29am
I'm cautiously optimistic about the video quality on this one. AFAIK, everything from Michael Mann that's been released on BD so far has been top notch. Even packaged with the inferior presentations of Silence of the Lambs and Hannibal, Manhunter stood out as a quality presentation of the film.
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post #40 of 744
4/15/10 at 8:29am
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Originally Posted by MovieSwede View Post

Im starting to wonder if I never seen the orginal cut of the movie, since I dont remember that song at all, were did they play it in the movie? Cant find what version I actually have seen of this movie. If anyone can link a clip of what version is what. I would be very grateful.

Actually someone posted the original scene with the Clannad song on YouTube. The scene is not that long and provides the emotional underpinning to the ongoing action.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8cOkz3uNHg
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post #41 of 744
4/15/10 at 8:41am
That clip is far too short. It doesn't show how the orchestral score for the pursuit sequence and the Clannad song interact musically (the score is also based on Celtic motifs and to my ear was composed in the context and in awareness of the Clannad song) as well as thematically with the imagery.

Together, the entire original sequence was compelling and riveting, one of the most perfect blends of film and music editing I've ever seen. It left me breathless and on the edge of my seat when I first saw it.

IMO, the DC version of this sequence, which is the heart and soul of the film, is so inferior that it ruins the movie (whatever other minor improvements the DC may offer), and I wish I'd never seen it.

When I want to watch this movie I play my DVD which I captured from my Laserdisc.
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post #42 of 744
4/15/10 at 8:47am
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Originally Posted by BenUK View Post

Never cared for the Clannad track myself, always thought it was a bit out of place, so was glad when he removed it in the directors cut.

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I preferred the director's cut of LOTM. The Clannad song, while pretty, just didn't fit in the period film.

At its core LOTM is a love story in a period setting, so if you have a problem with this song you have a problem with its premise. Or do you think this is just a movie about the English, French and Indians killing one another? If you prefer the Director's Cut fair enough - but that doesn't mean the theatrical cut is not the definitive version.
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post #43 of 744
4/15/10 at 9:11am
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Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens View Post

Some of the added material to the DC was great and should never have been removed for the theatrical release. But some of the deletions in the DC pissed me off royally. A few great lines of dialogue were excised and I cannot fathom why. The "disagreement" line in particular was a great moment from the theatrical. Not having it in the DC was distracting and annoying.

exactly. my fave line in the film.
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post #44 of 744
4/15/10 at 9:45am
Magua will speak to the Mann and make the lost music return
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post #45 of 744
4/15/10 at 10:36am
Madeleine Stowe back in the day... Can I get a "meow!" anyone...?
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post #46 of 744
4/15/10 at 11:54am
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Madeleine Stowe back in the day... Can I get a "meow!" anyone...?

Yeah, compare LOTM with We Were Soldiers. No wonder Mel went to 'Nam.
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post #47 of 744
4/15/10 at 12:51pm
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When I want to watch this movie I play my DVD which I captured from my Laserdisc.

Having only seen the DC for so long, I had forgotten how much I liked the theatrical version of this movie. I don't know how adept you are at this sort of thing, but there is a an HDTV rip of the theatrical version out there that doesn't look terrible. Certainly a lot better than the LD.
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post #48 of 744
4/15/10 at 12:53pm
I want the theatrical included as well but given Mann's history of film's he's recut, we aren't usually given a choice of versions.
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post #49 of 744
4/15/10 at 2:22pm
Geez, I hope they don't screw up this release...
This is an absolutely beautifully shot film.
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post #50 of 744
4/15/10 at 4:02pm
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Actually someone posted the original scene with the Clannad song on YouTube. The scene is not that long and provides the emotional underpinning to the ongoing action.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8cOkz3uNHg

So what is it like in the DC? No music plays, or is it Trevor Jones score?
It's been such a long time since I've seen this, like the other poster, I didn't even remember hearing the Clannad music, but I'm pretty sure I was watching the original cut.
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post #51 of 744
4/15/10 at 5:49pm
Great news. LOTM has been a favorite of mine.

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Madeleine Stowe back in the day... Can I get a "meow!" anyone...?

Hell yeah!!!
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post #52 of 744
4/15/10 at 10:24pm
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Originally Posted by Mr.G View Post

At its core LOTM is a love story in a period setting, so if you have a problem with this song you have a problem with its premise. Or do you think this is just a movie about the English, French and Indians killing one another? If you prefer the Director's Cut fair enough - but that doesn't mean the theatrical cut is not the definitive version.

So the theatrical cut is the "definitive" version? Then why the need for a director's cut at all? I think the director decides what's definitive or not, yours is just an opinion.
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post #53 of 744
4/15/10 at 11:18pm
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So the theatrical cut is the "definitive" version? Then why the need for a director's cut at all?

Money?
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post #54 of 744
4/16/10 at 5:02am
GREAT NEWS !! I love LOTM !!
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post #55 of 744
4/16/10 at 6:10am
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Madeleine Stowe back in the day... Can I get a "meow!" anyone...?

Amen!
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post #56 of 744
4/16/10 at 7:25am
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So the theatrical cut is the "definitive" version? Then why the need for a director's cut at all? I think the director decides what's definitive or not, yours is just an opinion.

While this is a slippery slope, I'll risk my neck anyway.

If the director is forced to alter his vision for whatever reason, such as run time, then it would be hard to call the theatrical release "definitive". For instance, the ending tacked onto Bladerunner, by the studio, for theatrical release. I don't know if the theatrical version of LOTM was taken out of his hands or not. If it wasn't, then which version is "definitive" becomes blurred. If Mr. Mann's vision simply changed between 1992 and 1999, then "definitive" is based on the point in time you wish to use.

To me, a directors cut is Aliens and not Star Wars. The extended Aliens represents what Mr. Cameron would have released theatrically IF it had been left to him. The changes to Star Wars reflect something entirely different. If the directors hands weren't tied but, in time, he/she decides that changes should be made, that is their right.

Unless Mr. Mann's hands were tied in 1992, "definitive" is a misnomer. These are simply alternate cuts made by the director reflecting an altered point of view. Not a restoration of the original concept. In my case, I prefer his 1992 vision.
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post #57 of 744
4/16/10 at 7:34am
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Unless Mr. Mann's hands were tied in 1992, "definitive" is a misnomer. These are simply alternate cuts made by the director reflecting an altered point of view. In my case, I prefer his 1992 vision.

Agreed. Mann's hands were definitely not tied, and as memory serves he had tinkered with the movie for quite a while in post-production. I remember some of the analysts were expecting MOHICANS to flop -- it was delayed out of its original July release date to the fall, and the word of mouth wasn't good because of that. A lot of Trevor Jones' original score was also replaced by Randy Edelman tracks during that time as well.

The one problem I have with Mann is that these "re cuts" have become commonplace on the majority of his films, leaving the theatrical versions to often disappear completely (or at least be more unavailable by comparison). He must waffle in the editing room about a line of dialogue and fixate on that, because of all the major directors out there in this generation, I don't think there's one that has gone back in and reworked their movies after the fact more than he has.

This is the third different edit of MOHICANS, and it's not like this was CLOSE ENCOUNTERS where Spielberg rushed to get the movie out the first time, was able to re-edit (but with the caveat of adding that unneeded "mothership interior" scene) it for the Special Edition, but then wanted to further tweak it and axe the "mothership interior" ending for the final video release. There were reasons why that happened on that picture, but MOHICANS just seems to be a case of Mann not making up his mind as to what he really wants.

As long as the original version is on there, I'm still interested in seeing what this version is like, though.
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post #58 of 744
4/16/10 at 9:11am
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So the theatrical cut is the "definitive" version? Then why the need for a director's cut at all? I think the director decides what's definitive or not, yours is just an opinion.

I think egrady and DM2006RI have argued this point well so I will only add that, yes, it's just my opinion. My viewpoint is that the version of any film that first premieres for public consumption (this does not include test screenings) is the official version of the film. Any tinkering that is done afterward is an 'alternate' version. In addition to the Mann, Spielberg, Scott and Lucas list I would add Stanley Kubrick for his tinkering on 2001. The version you enjoy today on Blu-ray is quite different from the film that 'officially' premiered on April 3, 1968 in Washington, DC. The 160 minute premiere film got whittled down to 139 or 141 minutes. My opinion, again, is that I would love to see the film as it officially premiered along with the current director 'approved' version.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062622/alternateversions
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post #59 of 744
4/16/10 at 9:17am
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Originally Posted by Mr.G View Post

I think egrady and DM2006RI have argued this point well so I will only add that, yes, it's just my opinion. My viewpoint is that the version of any film that first premieres for public consumption (this does not include test screenings) is the official version of the film.

I just can't buy into this way of thinking. When Ridley Scott made Kingdom of Heaven, he made the version that was released as a director's cut on DVD. He didn't make the studio mandated abortion that appeared in theaters.

The "official" version of that film will always be the director's cut.
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post #60 of 744
4/16/10 at 9:29am
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The "official" version of that film will always be the director's cut.

Following this reasoning means the 'official' version will always be in a state of flux as long as the director is alive. For all we know Mann is about to unleash yet another version of the film on Blu-ray. If this suits you, then fine.
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