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Polk Audio RTi A5 + Onkyo TX-NR807 is 135w enough?

post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 
A few simple questions,

1.) Is 135 watts (Onkyo TX-NR807) enough to power the Polk Audio RTi A5's or do I need a separate power AMP?

2.) If I do, any recommendations on a stereo power AMP?

3.) If 135w is enough, how high in 'dB' do you think these will be able to go with only half the max power? (I'm 23 and like to feel like I'm in a concert when I listen to my music, although I tend to value accuracy more than loudness ) Remember the A5's are spec'd up to 250.

4.) I looked, but I cant find if the power output on the Onkyo NR807 is RMS or Peak and with the A5's the input is listed as 20-250watt. So if someone knows, are the specs Peak or RMS?

5.) If I already have a nice powered sub, Is it worth it to go with the A7's?


-Thanks, Quad
post #2 of 10
It depends on the size of your room which you didnt give the dimensions and the acoustics. A 135w should be loud enough for most people but "concert levels" is pretty loud.

No telling how loud that is without a db meter. Get a SPL meter from your local radio shack if you really want to know know loud it is.

The 807 is rated at 135 watts per channel from 20hz-20khz at 0.08% distortion. If it is correct that is pretty good. They generally dont rate receivers for peak power.

At least by purchasing the 807 if you dont feel it is loud enough you can always add an external amp later if necessary.

A seperate 2 channel amp will not only give you louder cleaner power but better dynamics between loud and soft passages.

check out one of the many Emotiva amps. There is bound to be one to suit your needs.
http://emotiva.com/xpa2.shtm
post #3 of 10
I dont think you will get anywhere near concert levels with those speakers. For floorstanders they have a pretty low sensitivity (90db). And your receiver most likely will not actually put out 135 watts as its stated.

Another thing is if your playing the speakers really loud, especially polks which are bright to begin with, the highs are going to get very harsh as the amp clips.

If you really want speakers to play loud, i would look into a speaker with a higher sensitivity and a separate amp. Just my 2 cents.

Something like the JTR Triple 8's with a Emotiva XPA-2 would give you concert levels. Or if you want something similar to the Polk floorstanders i would look at the Klipsch RF-82's which have a 98 db sensitivity
post #4 of 10
Thread Starter 
I thought a speakers sensitivity rating was how effective it was at converting the signal into sound, not its max output.

Concert was a bad choice, but I usually find 98-105dB a nice level to listen to rock music with(that is if my radio shack meter is accurate).

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@Santapimp27:
The JTR Triple 8's are impressive, but a bit over kill. Klipsch RF-82 on the other hand looks like a good deal.

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Whats a good sensitivity rating for a pair of floor standing fronts under $2000 (USD)?

And thank you both for taking the time to answer.
post #5 of 10
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Originally Posted by Quad5Ny View Post

I thought a speakers sensitivity rating was how effective it was at converting the signal into sound, not its max output.

Concert was a bad choice, but I usually find 98-105dB a nice level to listen to rock music with(that is if my radio shack meter is accurate).
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@Santapimp27:
The JTR Triple 8's are impressive, but a bit over kill. Klipsch RF-82 on the other hand looks like a good deal.

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Whats a good sensitivity rating for floor standing fronts under $2000 (USD)?

And thank you both for taking the time to answer.

That's pretty loud for in home for music. Rock music is generally pretty uniform, but dynamic peaks still come into play. If you're running at 105dbs average and a peak comes along, you're definitely gonna clip. However, if you running at 95dbs average, you can go all day long with that AVR. My thoughts on A5s...they don't need an amp. You might like them better with an amp, but it's not necessary.
post #6 of 10
90db sensitivity is not considered low for floorstanders. 83-85db would be considered low. There are some very efficient speakers like Klipsch that are in the high 90's range but they use horn tweeters than can be very harsh sounding. At least they are for me.

I would concentrate on speakers that you enjoy the sound of first. If you have to add more amplification to your receiver then do so later.
post #7 of 10
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

I would concentrate on speakers that you enjoy the sound of first. If you have to add more amplification to your receiver then do so later.

There aren't many brick and mortar stores around where I can listen to them in person, so specs, reviews and peoples opinions on forums are what I'm going by.

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I listen to music at that level about 30-50 minuets a day(Edit:Yes I know I'm crazy or deaf or both ), the rest of the time it's usually at a much lower level. But still, having a system that can cleanly reproduce sound at those levels is important to me. So I might end up getting a separate AMP and hooking it up to the line out of the Onkyo.

Anyone else have a opinion on the Klipsch RF-82's?

Oh, and is $300 off the MSRP of the Onkyo TX-NR807 a good price? Not going to post the actual price because of the rule about posting prices.
post #8 of 10
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Originally Posted by Quad5Ny View Post

I thought a speakers sensitivity rating was how effective it was at converting the signal into sound, not its max output.

Concert was a bad choice, but I usually find 98-105dB a nice level to listen to rock music with(that is if my radio shack meter is accurate).

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@Santapimp27:
The JTR Triple 8's are impressive, but a bit over kill. Klipsch RF-82 on the other hand looks like a good deal.

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Whats a good sensitivity rating for a pair of floor standing fronts under $2000 (USD)?

And thank you both for taking the time to answer.

It's not that 90db is low, its just gonna take more power to get to concert levels.

And if your looking for floorstanders under $2000 i think you could do better than the Polks, especially if you bought used.

For the Klipsch, you definitely need to hear them in person before you buy them. They have them at Best buy so it shouldn't be too hard. They use horn tweeters which many find fatiguing. I don't get fatigued however, so it really depends on your ears. Klipsch are fairly common, so there pretty easy to find used at great prices.

And is this for a 2.1 setup? Because if it is, you would be much better off with a cheap receiver and an amp.
post #9 of 10
If you are looking for "rock concert" levels you will need big amplification and high sensitivity speaker.

I use a small pair ("book shelf" size) of Dyn Contour 1.3 SEs. They are 85-86 db w/M rating. To make these play loud it takes an incredible amount of amplification! To the tune of 200-400 wpc! Double the perceived loudness takes ten timesw the power. A 3dB difference calls for at least twice the power. Do the math here. Your receiver is probably putting out 135 wpc with two channels driven, not 5 or 7.

An auxilliary amp will cost you but only you can decide how much. Krell, Bryston, Emotiva? These only suggestion, you need to do some investigation yourself.
post #10 of 10
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Santapimp27 View Post

It's not that 90db is low, its just gonna take more power to get to concert levels.

Ignore me saying concert levels .

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Originally Posted by Santapimp27 View Post

And is this for a 2.1 setup? Because if it is, you would be much better off with a cheap receiver and an amp.

5.1. I was going to buy a pair Monitor 50's off of a friend to use as my surrounds and a klipsch RW-10d sub. As for the front center, that's still to be decided.

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Originally Posted by math-geek View Post

I use a small pair ("book shelf" size) of Dyn Contour 1.3 SEs. They are 85-86 db w/M rating. To make these play loud it takes an incredible amount of amplification! To the tune of 200-400 wpc! Double the perceived loudness takes ten timesw the power. A 3dB difference calls for at least twice the power. Do the math here. Your receiver is probably putting out 135 wpc with two channels driven, not 5 or 7.

Specs say 7 x 135w 8 Ohms. And Max power draw at the wall is 120v 8.1A. So yea, it should be around 135w per channel.

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Edit: After reading through the forums, I'm pretty sure i was wrong. So I crossed out the text.
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