Apollo 13 comparison *PIX* - Page 10

AVSForum fanboys who demand that every HD DVD title be re-encoded with a higher bit rate no matter what?

The UK version of this is out on blu-ray soon... better picture quality?

GREAT comment, Josh!

Not exactly. I believe I covered this already.

The encoded bit stream has be to compliant within HD DVD and Blu-ray parameters if you want to mux/author it for both formats.

Yes, but even a reencode of the HD DVD had created a better result, then what we got now.

I may very well be simplifying things too much, but whats to stop them using the assets on the old HDDVD?

Get a HDDVD copy, Universal can rip it to whatever PC they need to, get blu ray disc, burn data to disc, stick on shelf, sell for a small fortune...?

Perhaps someone can point out why that isn't possible.

The only technical limitation is that the encode may not be compatible with the blurayformat. But if it isnt they could just reencode the encode.

You can port a HD-DVD encode to Blu-ray with the right software but then again this is Universal... they tend to go out of their way to screw things up.

I watched the BD recently and there are some awful looking pasty, DNR-EE'd scenes in it. Some scenes are not too bad actually. All in all, still a shame.

If you look at the BD of Cinderella Man it appears to be the same as the HDDVD.

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Xylon - Any chance of getting a compare @ 1hr 35m?

I just wonder if Mrs Lovell has been severely infected by DNR or whether that's a dude with a lot of makeup on.

1080p24 is 1080p24. You have to do a bit of work as HD DVDs store their video as 1080i30 on the disc vs 1080p24 for BD but HD DVDs can easily be transferred to BD. I've done it for many movies that have superior HD DVD editions, like Phantom of the Opera for its TrueHD track. I also make "custom" editions of movies like combining the HD DVD video for U-571 with the BD audio.

In the case of Apollo 13, I already owned the HD DVD. My friend loves this movie and bought it on BD. I borrowed the disc from him and made my custom edition that's the best of both worlds.

Its not the framerate that is the problem (HD DVD is encoded as 24P in a 60i stream with pulldown flags) But how they allow placement of B-frames among other things

Warners movies is usually no problem since they encode their movies for both formats. (even if Phantom was created before that) And I dont think there would be any problem with Universals titles. But there could be one or two that wouldnt work.

But even if they didnt work. There is nothing that prevents them from reencoding. Because that would create a better result then we have now.

Oh yes, you're right. You need to remove the pulldown flags when encoding for BD, vc1conv.exe will do that rather quickly.

Yeah, I've re-encoded several Universal HD DVDs to Blu-ray already (with the video encode left untouched except for the removal of the pulldown flags) and I haven't noticed any video problems yet. I suspect I won't have any problems with Apollo 13 either, whenever I get around to it.

Rather amusing that people all over the world, using free software, can do a much better a job than the 'experts'

Much like many DVD players, it's also possible that your Blu-ray player(s) may not require everything to be up to spec, especially if it's designed like the PS3 to play random media files.

Obviously Universal doesn't have the luxury of breaking spec when they're releasing a disc.

My re-encodes were tested on both a PS3 and an Oppo BDP-80.

Much appreciated.. cheers But no need to go out of your way.. I've just ordered Apollo 13 on HDDVD

They would have to test it with every player out there. Even standalone players can have hardware decoders that is more advanced then what they have to be.´

As an example HD DVD had for AVC the possibility of regraining the movie in the spec. BD didnt have that. But many BD players had the hardware chip that would allow them to actually regrain the movie.

Looking forward watching this one tonight, finally!!

actually it's a good compare.. the poor old lady - DNR has made a monster out of her! :P contrast boosting, NR and sharpening have exaggerated every blemish and crease on her face.

That seems odd about 1080i30. So, how does HD DVD get it to 1080p?

As was pointed out earlier in the thread, he was mistaken. HD DVDs are encoded as 1080p24. They're just encoded differently than Blu-rays.

Comparing the specs of the Italian Big Lebowski BD with the HD DVD and certain Universal discs like the Dawn of the Dead remake, the encodes are exactly the same. I guess fans aren't the only ones re-using HD DVD encodes, even ones that probably weren't made with both formats in mind.

Speaking of re-using encodes, is it possible to re-author the Apollo 13 HD DVD video with the DTS-MA from the BD, or does the audio/video not sync due to the different transfers?

So have you tested the Apollo 13 disc? And why didnt they use that encode?

From my experience I wholeheartedly agree.. (It only makes sense that software is written for the common ground) BUT.. I have also seen a lot of encodes that differ by 1 or 2 seconds with, seemingly, no difference in content. (24fps stuff not related to PAL speedup problems)

That could throw out the synch with the audio when mixing HDDVD video with BD audio.

If it's just an x ms offset you can apply to the audio stream then great, but often things start off in synch and then fall out of synch along the way.

Of course you can't compare the 2 video streams frame by frame, so it's fingers crossed when mixing one soundtrack with another video track.