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post #1501 of 6227
9/9/10 at 12:33pm
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

Holy hell, that is miles better!

do we know the source?

Well, they *may* be 35mm (Scope) scans at 4000dpi and then stretched about 2x horizontally and then re-sized with aspect ratio preservation to 1920across

(do not take the color balance as gospel as I don't think 35mm theatrical positive film matches regular 35mm photo positives so colors can only be adjusted by eye and not by IT8 calibration chart which I doubt many people have for that type of film)

Anyway, they offer an exciting hint at what the blu-ray will hopefully deliver, can't wait! (assuming they don't do weird things to them or the compression doesn't rob too much, the blu-rays should actually look better than this, well at least for AOTC/ROTS, since those two were shot in digital at only 1920 across and they have access to that of course so they should be able to do better easily).

Some had questioned whether the blu-ray would even be worth it after Spike, and I think these show that there is plenty of room for the blu-rays to improve over what was shown on Spike. (although showing in HD on TV first does remove a touch of the OMG I am seeing it in HD for the first time feeling I guess)

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post #1502 of 6227
9/9/10 at 12:42pm
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Originally Posted by benes View Post

Since AOTC is a 100% digital movie produced at 1080p you are not gaining anything by scanning a film print. All that grain is just an artifact.

True, but there is no denying it looks better
post #1503 of 6227
9/9/10 at 12:50pm
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

Untill someone comes forward with a pristine release print what someone can scan I dont think anyone will be fully happy

The thing is can you imagine how LONG it would take to actually scan in a release print. Using high-end consumer-level equipment you are talking probably an hour and a half for every second of the movie if you want to do a good job . It would take you like a year and a half if you spent all 24 hours of every day doing it .

I'm not really sure at all but I think actual telecine equipment that might do it in a reasonable amount of time probably starts at $20k used for 2K stuff that is not even top of the line and the good stuff is probably like $80k+ .
Even with that it would be a ton of work and you'd need all sorts of other stuff.

And then you'd also need to get the a hold of the same stock and shoot a test pattern so you could get the colors right, etc.

I think there is zero chance anyone in their basement will ever get this done.
And it's not like they could hand out what they did anyway.

Maybe somebody with fancy stuff would secretly risk it for one of those 1977 technicolor prints but I doubt for anything else and I doubt even this will happen or that we would get to see the results anyway.
post #1504 of 6227
9/9/10 at 12:54pm
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Originally Posted by benes View Post

Since AOTC is a 100% digital movie produced at 1080p you are not gaining anything by scanning a film print. All that grain is just an artifact.

And all those shots were in the trailer so I'm guessing that's the source.

yeah, I know, you can't do better than they can since they have the original digital files and scanning a print of a digital file that was only 1920 to begin with, well yeah it has to come out worse of course

that said, it does show how badly cable compresses stuff though since these should look way worse but sorta look better actually (no big surprise really as TV movies usually never look all that great, blu-rays often look way better, especially compared to stuff on regular channels like Spike, but even HBO stuff never looks quite as good as a good blu-ray)

with other films you might do better than blu-ray though

anyway they might offer a teaser of what the blu-ray could offer, if not messed up. the blu-ray, assuming they do weird things and the compression (that has to occur) doesn't rob too much, could look even better, can't wait!
post #1505 of 6227
9/9/10 at 4:44pm
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Originally Posted by skibum5000 View Post

It seems kind of distracting and way over the top to me, he's supposed to be entering a dark, spooky, ravine. I don't get why people go crazy about some of the SE changes (not that a few were not distracting too though) and yet many of the same lap up all the Adywan stuff, which can be even more garish at times).

Because they secretly like the prequels and want to jam as much "updated" crap in the originals as possible.

Just plain awful.
post #1506 of 6227
9/9/10 at 4:48pm
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Originally Posted by skibum5000 View Post

The thing is can you imagine how LONG it would take to actually scan in a release print. Using high-end consumer-level equipment you are talking probably an hour and a half for every second of the movie if you want to do a good job . It would take you like a year and a half if you spent all 24 hours of every day doing it .

I'm not really sure at all but I think actual telecine equipment that might do it in a reasonable amount of time probably starts at $20k used for 2K stuff that is not even top of the line and the good stuff is probably like $80k+ .
Even with that it would be a ton of work and you'd need all sorts of other stuff.

And then you'd also need to get the a hold of the same stock and shoot a test pattern so you could get the colors right, etc.

I think there is zero chance anyone in their basement will ever get this done.
And it's not like they could hand out what they did anyway.

Maybe somebody with fancy stuff would secretly risk it for one of those 1977 technicolor prints but I doubt for anything else and I doubt even this will happen or that we would get to see the results anyway.

I live in hope someone has a 6 track 70mm blow up
post #1507 of 6227
9/9/10 at 5:04pm
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Originally Posted by Kram Sacul View Post

Because they secretly like the prequels and want to jam as much "updated" crap in the originals as possible.

Just plain awful.

haha, i think some of the prequel haters must secretly like them far more than I do then haha, because wow, that obi-wan vader fight is ridiculous! plain awful as you say.


However, because Lucas didn't do it, it's !magic! according to some of the (supposed ) prequel haters. (and I bet if Lucas were suddenly revealed to be Adywan they would suddenly reverse course and point out six ways to sunday how awful these changes are )

anyway I know you don't like the prequels (TPM at the least) but at least you do have the sense to not like this stuff either
post #1508 of 6227
9/9/10 at 5:09pm
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

I live in hope someone has a 6 track 70mm blow up

oh man
from opening day 70mm release too (and may as well make it the Paramus NJ copy)

maybe people would finally believe me about the missed Luke grappling hook throw too then

sadly i'm pretty sure these ones are gone for sure, so few opening day SW4 70mm prints were ever made and I think they would've been easy to track, I doubt any escaped

we do know a few technicolor 35mm prints made it though out into the wild, it would be amazing if someone snuck one into some high-end telecine place each night

and i've seen a few prequel reels floating around (but since two of them were shot in 1920x digital anyway, unless they really mess up the blu-rays or he goes all SE on them too, there may not really be much point in these)
post #1509 of 6227
9/9/10 at 5:13pm
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Originally Posted by skibum5000 View Post

oh man
from opening day 70mm release too (and may as well make it the Paramus NJ copy)

maybe people would finally believe me about the missed Luke grappling hook throw too then

sadly i'm pretty sure these ones are gone for sure, so few opening day SW4 70mm prints were ever made and I think they would've been easy to track, I doubt any escaped

we do know a few technicolor 35mm prints made it though out into the wild, it would be amazing if someone snuck one into some high-end telecine place each night

and i've seen a few prequel reels floating around (but since two of them were shot in 1920x digital anyway, unless they really mess up the blu-rays or he goes all SE on them too, there may not really be much point in these)

Wait, what? why did that just ring a bell?
post #1510 of 6227
9/9/10 at 5:25pm
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

Wait, what? why did that just ring a bell?

It's in the novel, not in the film.

I saw it in opening 70MM too.
post #1511 of 6227
9/9/10 at 5:29pm
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Originally Posted by PeterTHX View Post

It's in the novel, not in the film.

I saw it in opening 70MM too.

Never read the novel but can remember it from somewhere, maybe a TV version in the early 80's?
post #1512 of 6227
9/9/10 at 5:44pm
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Originally Posted by PeterTHX View Post

It's in the novel, not in the film.

I saw it in opening 70MM too.

I don't think I got the novelization until months later though....
(heck I had only learned to read just before the release)

What city did you see the 70mm opening day premier in?
post #1513 of 6227
9/9/10 at 6:01pm
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Originally Posted by skibum5000 View Post

I don't think I got the novelization until months later though....
(heck I had only learned to read just before the release)

What city did you see the 70mm opening day premier in?

Orange. Theater's gone now. Sad.

I read the novel before the film opened!
post #1514 of 6227
9/9/10 at 6:46pm
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Originally Posted by PeterTHX View Post

Orange. Theater's gone now. Sad.

I read the novel before the film opened!

well then i still have hope, not Orange, hah

yeah it's sad that many of the theaters that is premiered at are gone
they just boarded up the Stanley Warner (they already killed though back in 83 right after ROTJ though by splitting the palace theater lower section into 2 screens (and before that they split the balcony into a separate theater), and then I think it eventually got turned into 6-8! and it used to be 1!)

wow you read it before hand?
not afraid of spoiling it?
post #1515 of 6227
9/9/10 at 6:47pm
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Originally Posted by benes View Post

Sounds like a case of Biggs Fever...

hah no i never saw biggs back then (although i did see clips from the scenes in some picture books and stuff)
post #1516 of 6227
9/9/10 at 7:35pm
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Originally Posted by skibum5000 View Post

well then i still have hope, not Orange, hah

yeah it's sad that many of the theaters that is premiered at are gone
they just boarded up the Stanley Warner (they already killed though back in 83 right after ROTJ though by splitting the palace theater lower section into 2 screens (and before that they split the balcony into a separate theater), and then I think it eventually got turned into 6-8! and it used to be 1!)

wow you read it before hand?
not afraid of spoiling it?

Spoliers don't bug me. I read the novel and the comic adaption of Empire before the film opened too. In NYC this time.

They were more careful with Jedi. The comics and books came out the day it opened, which I missed because it was the same day as the 100th Anniversary of the Brooklyn Bridge.
post #1517 of 6227
9/9/10 at 8:20pm
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Originally Posted by PeterTHX View Post

They were more careful with Jedi. The comics and books came out the day it opened, which I missed because it was the same day as the 100th Anniversary of the Brooklyn Bridge.

That's actually not true. The Marvel Comics adaptation came out almost a month before the movie, at least in some markets. I seem to remember a story about a NY radio DJ reading parts of the first issue over the air, with spoilers that made it around the country.

Here's an excerpt from a Comics Buyers Guide article written by John Jackson Miller (current Star Wars comic writer, and very nice guy).

Quote:


The Jedi returns but just a bit too soon!

Producing comics based on licensed properties also presented special concerns on the business side of publishing, as the premature release of Al Williamson's Return of the Jedi adaptation, Marvel Comics Super Special #27, contributed to nervous moments for Marvel. As reported in Comics Buyer's Guide #497 (May 27, 1983), comics fan Mark Hamill discovered copies on sale a month prior to the release of the film and alerted Lucasfilm. According to Carol Kalish, Marvel's direct-sales manager, Marvel representatives swung into action to get the magazine off the stands upon learning of the error. Unfortunately, this and other security lapses unrelated to the comics market resulted in the premature revelation of many of the film's secrets.

Scott
post #1518 of 6227
9/9/10 at 10:23pm
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Originally Posted by srw1000 View Post

That's actually not true. The Marvel Comics adaptation came out almost a month before the movie, at least in some markets. I seem to remember a story about a NY radio DJ reading parts of the first issue over the air, with spoilers that made it around the country.

Here's an excerpt from a Comics Buyers Guide article written by John Jackson Miller (current Star Wars comic writer, and very nice guy).



Scott

those were miscues though, not intentional release dates prior
to the theatrical release
post #1519 of 6227
9/9/10 at 10:51pm
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Originally Posted by srw1000 View Post

That's actually not true. The Marvel Comics adaptation came out almost a month before the movie, at least in some markets. I seem to remember a story about a NY radio DJ reading parts of the first issue over the air, with spoilers that made it around the country.

Here's an excerpt from a Comics Buyers Guide article written by John Jackson Miller (current Star Wars comic writer, and very nice guy).



Scott

Well, it's true that it leaked, but it wasn't legit to sell it until release day.

Kinda like the leaked workprint of SITH.
post #1520 of 6227
9/9/10 at 11:10pm
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Originally Posted by skibum5000 View Post

The thing is can you imagine how LONG it would take to actually scan in a release print. Using high-end consumer-level equipment you are talking probably an hour and a half for every second of the movie if you want to do a good job . It would take you like a year and a half if you spent all 24 hours of every day doing it .

I'm not really sure at all but I think actual telecine equipment that might do it in a reasonable amount of time probably starts at $20k used for 2K stuff that is not even top of the line and the good stuff is probably like $80k+ .
Even with that it would be a ton of work and you'd need all sorts of other stuff.

And then you'd also need to get the a hold of the same stock and shoot a test pattern so you could get the colors right, etc.

I think there is zero chance anyone in their basement will ever get this done.
And it's not like they could hand out what they did anyway.

Maybe somebody with fancy stuff would secretly risk it for one of those 1977 technicolor prints but I doubt for anything else and I doubt even this will happen or that we would get to see the results anyway.

Pro equipment would indeed get it done much faster. See this link about making an 8K scan of Baraka. Took 12-13 seconds per frame.
post #1521 of 6227
9/9/10 at 11:37pm
A few more (the last few) from the new source (35mm Scope 4000dpi scans AR stretched and then re-sized to 1920 across) to whet your appetite (not that the ATOC blu-ray would likely like this since that one they shot digitally but this might give a vague hint as to how four of the six might potentially sort of look on blu-ray, not that this anything at all to do with that):

EDIT: actually i looked at an analog copy of the HBO ROTS and it looks pretty sharp, way sharper than the Spike
I bet the blu-rays, certainly for 2 & 3 will look even better than this.

(spoiled due to size)







post #1522 of 6227
9/10/10 at 2:46am
Wow I am shocked at how good that looks, so someone made this in their spare time?
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9/10/10 at 9:27am
Adywan has made some good HD versions. I'm a bit partial to the Wookiegroomer 1080p release. It's what I've been watching until they are released on blu.

http://comparescreenshots.slicx.com/comparison/12446
post #1524 of 6227
9/10/10 at 10:26am
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Originally Posted by srw1000 View Post

That's actually not true. The Marvel Comics adaptation came out almost a month before the movie, at least in some markets. I seem to remember a story about a NY radio DJ reading parts of the first issue over the air, with spoilers that made it around the country.

Here's an excerpt from a Comics Buyers Guide article written by John Jackson Miller (current Star Wars comic writer, and very nice guy).



Scott

The 1st edition of the novelization of Star Wars (credited as written by GL, but IIRC actually ghostwritten by Alan Dean Foster) came out in late 1976. It, like the Marvel adaptation, had many of the famous "deleted scenes" included (Luke & Biggs on Tatooine, Solo & Jabba conversation).

edit: Wiki confirms...

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Originally Posted by Wikipedia.com View Post

Star Wars: From the Adventures of Luke Skywalker is the title of a science fiction novel credited to George Lucas, but actually ghostwritten by Alan Dean Foster and first published on November 12, 1976 by Ballantine Books.

The book, which was based upon Lucas's original screenplay for the first Star Wars film, has been published under several titles, first as Star Wars: From the Adventures of Luke Skywalker, later as simply Star Wars, and most recently as Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope, reflecting the retitling of the film that occurred following the announcement that Lucas would film the first three episodes of the Star Wars Saga.

This book was published about six months before the original Star Wars movie was released; at that point, the source material for this story in particular, and the whole Star Wars universe in general, was still somewhat fluid. As a result, it is interesting to note a few points where the story in the book differs from the story that ended up in the movie.

Related - I recall in the novel for ROTJ in '83 - an expanded bit of Luke & ghost Obi-Wan's conversation on Dagobah after Yoda's death. In that conversation, Kenobi tells Luke that he & his twin sister were hidden at birth to protect them from the Emperor & Vader. In the case of Luke, Obi brought him to live on Tatooine with "my brother, Owen Lars". Obviously, that bit of info changed as well.
post #1525 of 6227
9/10/10 at 10:32am
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Originally Posted by darthjoe View Post

Adywan has made some good HD versions. I'm a bit partial to the Wookiegroomer 1080p release. It's what I've been watching until they are released on blu.

http://comparescreenshots.slicx.com/comparison/12446

I have the Wookiegroomer releases they are outstanding
post #1526 of 6227
9/10/10 at 12:53pm
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

Wow I am shocked at how good that looks, so someone made this in their spare time?

yes
post #1527 of 6227
9/10/10 at 12:55pm
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Originally Posted by skibum5000 View Post

haha, i think some of the prequel haters must secretly like them far more than I do then haha, because wow, that obi-wan vader fight is ridiculous! plain awful as you say.


However, because Lucas didn't do it, it's !magic! according to some of the (supposed ) prequel haters. (and I bet if Lucas were suddenly revealed to be Adywan they would suddenly reverse course and point out six ways to sunday how awful these changes are )

anyway I know you don't like the prequels (TPM at the least) but at least you do have the sense to not like this stuff either

So very, very true.
post #1528 of 6227
9/10/10 at 8:24pm
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Originally Posted by PeterTHX View Post

Well, it's true that it leaked, but it wasn't legit to sell it until release day.

Kinda like the leaked workprint of SITH.

It wasn't an actual leak, but it was a distribution snafu of the actual product.

I do seem to remember that the novelization was released, legitimately, prior to the movie. The only corroboration I could find with a cursory search was this website, which shows the release date as 5/12/83, which seems about right.

Scott
post #1529 of 6227
9/11/10 at 10:25pm
They look great
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9/11/10 at 11:56pm
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Originally Posted by colombianlove41 View Post

They look great

what looks great?
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