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post #451 of 6227
Time to cause an upset I read on the net, (so it has to be true right?) that Lucas wanted to use the digital face replacement technology to re-do the fight between Darth and Obi-wan in EP4. Anyone hear that one?
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Time to cause an upset I read on the net, (so it has to be true right?) that Lucas wanted to use the digital face replacement technology to re-do the fight between Darth and Obi-wan in EP4. Anyone hear that one?

I call ********.
post #453 of 6227
I Just read the Ep. III novelization and it's actually really good. Some great dialog that was maybe cut from the final film, since the dialog that is from the film in the book is pretty close to word for word. It really details Anakin's inner struggle and highlights that Palpatine has totally screwed with his mind so much that he believes the Jedi really are corrupt. If you're a fan of the film, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

And it's not just me. The majority of the amazon reviews reflect it.

http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Epis...1576291&sr=1-1

post #454 of 6227
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Time to cause an upset I read on the net, (so it has to be true right?) that Lucas wanted to use the digital face replacement technology to re-do the fight between Darth and Obi-wan in EP4. Anyone hear that one?

hah surely a joke

(is it??? )
post #455 of 6227
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Originally Posted by skibum5000 View Post

hah surely a joke

(is it??? )

Not sure. Anything is possible in the Star Wars universe
post #456 of 6227
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Not sure. Anything is possible in the Star Wars universe

True. Heck, I keep waiting to hear him announce that he's refilming the original trilogy so that it will better match the prequel trilogy.
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True. Heck, I keep waiting to hear him announce that he's refilming the original trilogy so that it will better match the prequel trilogy.

justin bieber as luke.....
post #458 of 6227
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justin bieber as luke.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0GjKiy3nSI
post #459 of 6227
I'm in the episode III > VI camp.

Interesting article in the LA Times today where Gary Kurtz discusses VI:

“We had an outline and George changed everything in it," Kurtz said. “Instead of bittersweet and poignant he wanted a euphoric ending with everybody happy. The original idea was that they would recover [the kidnapped] Han Solo in the early part of the story and that he would then die in the middle part of the film in a raid on an Imperial base. George then decided he didn’t want any of the principals killed. By that time there were really big toy sales and that was a reason.”
The discussed ending of the film that Kurtz favored presented the rebel forces in tatters, Leia grappling with her new duties as queen and Luke walking off alone “like Clint Eastwood in the spaghetti westerns,” as Kurtz put it.

Kurtz said that ending would have been a more emotionally nuanced finale to an epic adventure than the forest celebration of the Ewoks that essentially ended the trilogy with a teddy bear luau.
He was especially disdainful of the Lucas idea of a second Death Star, which he felt would be too derivative of the 1977 film. “So we agreed that I should probably leave.”
post #460 of 6227
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Originally Posted by Dave Mack View Post

I Just read the Ep. III novelization and it's actually really good. Some great dialog that was maybe cut from the final film, since the dialog that is from the film in the book is pretty close to word for word. It really details Anakin's inner struggle and highlights that Palpatine has totally screwed with his mind so much that he believes the Jedi really are corrupt. If you're a fan of the film, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

And it's not just me. The majority of the amazon reviews reflect it.

http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Epis...1576291&sr=1-1


I read it after the film came out. I'll second your opinion.
post #461 of 6227
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I'm in the episode III > VI camp.

Interesting article in the LA Times today where Gary Kurtz discusses VI:

“We had an outline and George changed everything in it," Kurtz said. “Instead of bittersweet and poignant he wanted a euphoric ending with everybody happy. The original idea was that they would recover [the kidnapped] Han Solo in the early part of the story and that he would then die in the middle part of the film in a raid on an Imperial base. George then decided he didn’t want any of the principals killed. By that time there were really big toy sales and that was a reason.”
The discussed ending of the film that Kurtz favored presented the rebel forces in tatters, Leia grappling with her new duties as queen and Luke walking off alone “like Clint Eastwood in the spaghetti westerns,” as Kurtz put it.

Kurtz said that ending would have been a more emotionally nuanced finale to an epic adventure than the forest celebration of the Ewoks that essentially ended the trilogy with a teddy bear luau.
He was especially disdainful of the Lucas idea of a second Death Star, which he felt would be too derivative of the 1977 film. “So we agreed that I should probably leave.”

Teddy Bear Luau.... Love it.


And in the SW universe when we first saw The Empire, Stormtroopers and Vader they were pretty damned fierce and frightening, especially in the Rebel Blockade Runner sequence. Empre Strikes Back continued the Vibe. But by the end of Jedi it was all zany hi-jinks like a Three Stooges/Scooby Doo episode. And Boba Fett, the super feared bounty hunter dies by accident? Sorry but except for the Luke/Vader/Emperor scenes, ROTJ just blew it imho. nub nub indeed.....


The only people who look into it are Hamill and McDiarmid. Ford is bored out of his mind and it shows. Fisher is stoned out of her mind and it shows. Yoda is in it for all of what, two minutes. Guinness seems to have filmed his scenes on another continent. Even James Earl Jones' line readings as Vader sound dull and bored.
ARGH! The more I think about it just irks me. STAR WARS was exciting, groundbreaking moviemaking. EMPIRE took the universe, expanded it and actually made a better film. JEDI just turned into a dopey saturday morning cartoon.
post #462 of 6227
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I'm in the episode III > VI camp.

Same here, especially with the fanedits.
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Interesting article in the LA Times today where Gary Kurtz discusses VI

For anyone who's wondering where to find it, here's the link: Did 'Star Wars' become a toy story? Producer Gary Kurtz looks back | Hero Complex | Los Angeles Times

There's some really good material in there about how Kurtz is disappointed that the merchandising overwhelmed the film-making, and that (as pointed out) everybody but Lucas wanted ROTJ to go in a darker direction.
post #463 of 6227
come to think of it, I think I might even like III more than VI. It's just hard to separate my childhood nostalgia, I loved it as a kid of course. I was born in 1977, so ROTJ was marketed right at me.
post #464 of 6227
they're the only saving grace....
post #465 of 6227
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Teddy Bear Luau.... Love it.

Better than a Teddy Bear Tea Party...
maybe not!

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ARGH! The more I think about it just irks me. STAR WARS was exciting, groundbreaking moviemaking. EMPIRE took the universe, expanded it and actually made a better film. JEDI just turned into a dopey saturday morning cartoon.

One man too blame for that.

Well, at least Jorge had: "American Graffitti"...
and he didn't try too screw that up or do a dumb sequel!
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Well, at least Jorge had: "American Graffitti"...
and he didn't try too screw that up or do a dumb sequel!

He did make "More American Graffitti", I don't know if it was dumb or not (never saw it myself) but was largely forgotten and didn't do very well.
post #467 of 6227
I actually liked More American Graffiti.

post #468 of 6227
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I'm in the episode III > VI camp.

Interesting article in the LA Times today where Gary Kurtz discusses VI:

We had an outline and George changed everything in it," Kurtz said. Instead of bittersweet and poignant he wanted a euphoric ending with everybody happy. The original idea was that they would recover [the kidnapped] Han Solo in the early part of the story and that he would then die in the middle part of the film in a raid on an Imperial base. George then decided he didn't want any of the principals killed. By that time there were really big toy sales and that was a reason.
The discussed ending of the film that Kurtz favored presented the rebel forces in tatters, Leia grappling with her new duties as queen and Luke walking off alone like Clint Eastwood in the spaghetti westerns, as Kurtz put it.

Kurtz said that ending would have been a more emotionally nuanced finale to an epic adventure than the forest celebration of the Ewoks that essentially ended the trilogy with a teddy bear luau.
He was especially disdainful of the Lucas idea of a second Death Star, which he felt would be too derivative of the 1977 film. So we agreed that I should probably leave.

As much as I may agree that Return of the Jedi is one of the weakest in the series, if the movie had been made like the above description, it would have been box office suicide. Audiences were already pissed enough that Empire Strikes Back didn't have a happy ending. (Remember, that movie was greeted very negatively at release, and wasn't re-evaluated as the best of the original trilogy until years later).
post #469 of 6227
I wish they would just release them and get it over with. Because for how many problems we all find with the series, how much better it COULD have been, we're all still going to buy it and love it because of how it made us feel when we were young. And even today when we watch it, cursing the dialog, cursing the scenes, cursing how the newer trilogy could have been better, we'll still enjoy it because of what it does inside to us.

Just release it already and be done with it. Geez.
post #470 of 6227
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So we agreed that I should probably leave.

Translation: Gary Kurtz's ideas for ROTJ were terrible and he got fired.

I don't believe any of those ideas were ever seriously considered. ROTJ represents the third act of a larger story -- and the third act almost always finds a positive resolution for the characters.
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post #472 of 6227
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As much as I may agree that Return of the Jedi is one of the weakest in the series, if the movie had been made like the above description, it would have been box office suicide. Audiences were already pissed enough that Empire Strikes Back didn't have a happy ending. (Remember, that movie was greeted very negatively at release, and wasn't re-evaluated as the best of the original trilogy until years later).

Yes, it became a very successful family friendly franchise and a dark ending like that would have frustrated many parents. And I am sure the toy sales played a role too, because how else do you explain the Ewoks?

My son is five years old and loves Star Wars IV. He has watched it 20 times at least. I put on Empire and it scared him and he has not wanted to watch it since. And yeah, my kid owns a pile of Star Wars toys, so I think Lucas was more right than wrong. But, I do wish Lucas and Kurtz could have found a middle ground. Because some of Lucas's ideas were just off, and they only seem to get worse over time.
post #473 of 6227
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

As much as I may agree that Return of the Jedi is one of the weakest in the series, if the movie had been made like the above description, it would have been box office suicide. Audiences were already pissed enough that Empire Strikes Back didn't have a happy ending. (Remember, that movie was greeted very negatively at release, and wasn't re-evaluated as the best of the original trilogy until years later).

Who cares, it would have made the movie AND the trilogy so much better! At that point (ROTJ) all anybody in the Lucas camp were thinking was, "Gee, how much more money are we going to make on this one?!!!" Once again Art was murdered by Greed...

On a whole other note, as long as DNR doesn't rear it's ugly head, the blu-ray's are going to look great! Anybody who has seen some of the better HD broadcast airings can attest to this.
post #474 of 6227
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Translation: Gary Kurtz's ideas for ROTJ were terrible and he got fired.

I don't believe any of those ideas were ever seriously considered. ROTJ represents the third act of a larger story -- and the third act almost always finds a positive resolution for the characters.

Question: What about Kurtz's ideas were terrible?
And you saying you don't believe any of his ideas were considered at all?!?!
When in fact ideas of his were used in the first two filmings.
Jorge considers "SW" groundbreaking. What's groundbreaking about the ending?
post #475 of 6227
like it has been said be4, every1 will buy the BD's when they come out.
post #476 of 6227
We know we're gonna buy the blu's. It's in our blood. However, let's kick it up a notch and show Georgie we love him with our very own Millennium Falcon sandwiches! R2, you are a madman. When you stole that cow, and 3PO tried to make it with the cow. I want to party with you, cowboy. If the two of us together, forget it.
post #477 of 6227
So the probability of the original theatrical cuts being released are.......
post #478 of 6227
Two chances - NONE and FCUK all!

disclaimer: that last one in capitals is a sun glass brand by the way.
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like it has been said be4, every1 will buy the BD's when they come out.

Not me. Never bought the bastardized versions in any form, and never will.
post #480 of 6227
GL really crapped the bed in the prequels.

He should have just got the creators of this video game to write and direct them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Gclx...unleashed%20II

That 4 min trailer is better than anything in any of the three prequels.
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