ok well I'm using Warm 1 now . I prefer the overall balance with a lot less of the yellowish cast (I could not get used to it)
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1/16/11 at 4:33pm
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post #602 of 800
1/17/11 at 4:10am
ok I posted this in the main 630/650 thread but repeat it here because I need a specific answer
So I have the LN46C610 with SQ3 panel (but the question is for all 610/630)
Obviously in the default setting Standard Mode is much brighter than Movie Mode
But I also notice if I set all other settings equal (back light, contrast,brightness,color space ,dynamic stuff off...), the Color setting does not match at the midpoint 50 .
Standard at Color 40 = Movie at Color 58 (closest I can see)
I find it weird there is that difference and that none of the modes look good at color 50 (Movie is under saturated and Standard neon like colors). I'm wondering if this might be my individual set.
Can anyone check on their TV's?
So I have the LN46C610 with SQ3 panel (but the question is for all 610/630)
Obviously in the default setting Standard Mode is much brighter than Movie Mode
But I also notice if I set all other settings equal (back light, contrast,brightness,color space ,dynamic stuff off...), the Color setting does not match at the midpoint 50 .
Standard at Color 40 = Movie at Color 58 (closest I can see)
I find it weird there is that difference and that none of the modes look good at color 50 (Movie is under saturated and Standard neon like colors). I'm wondering if this might be my individual set.
Can anyone check on their TV's?
post #603 of 800
1/17/11 at 8:56am
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Originally Posted by king mark 
ok I posted this in the main 630/650 thread but repeat it here because I need a specific answer
So I have the LN46C610 with SQ3 panel (but the question is for all 610/630)
Obviously in the default setting Standard Mode is much brighter than Movie Mode
But I also notice if I set all other settings equal (back light, contrast,brightness,color space ,dynamic stuff off...), the Color setting does not match at the midpoint 50 .
Standard at Color 40 = Movie at Color 58 (closest I can see)
I find it weird there is that difference and that none of the modes look good at color 50 (Movie is under saturated and Standard neon like colors). I'm wondering if this might be my individual set.
Can anyone check on their TV's?
ok I posted this in the main 630/650 thread but repeat it here because I need a specific answer
So I have the LN46C610 with SQ3 panel (but the question is for all 610/630)
Obviously in the default setting Standard Mode is much brighter than Movie Mode
But I also notice if I set all other settings equal (back light, contrast,brightness,color space ,dynamic stuff off...), the Color setting does not match at the midpoint 50 .
Standard at Color 40 = Movie at Color 58 (closest I can see)
I find it weird there is that difference and that none of the modes look good at color 50 (Movie is under saturated and Standard neon like colors). I'm wondering if this might be my individual set.
Can anyone check on their TV's?
This is how it's supposed to be. Not only on our TVs, but all TVs. The colors on standard mode will appear more vibrant due to that setting displaying exaggerated colors.
Movie is recommended because it's the most "natural" preset and tweaking from there helps reproduce more realistic settings.
post #604 of 800
1/17/11 at 2:00pm
I have the LN46c630. I have noticed that when watching HD TV through Direct Tv, no matter what settings I use I notice a grainy picture at times. The blacks mostly. There is also a slight blur noticable no matter what. I dont know if thats just the signal I'm receiving and that wont get better or what. Even with Blu ray viewing at times noticed motion blur. I've heard its common with LCD. Does anyone have any suggestions? I was thinking of going the plasma route due to the 600hz which would result in no blur. Help please. Thanks
post #605 of 800
1/17/11 at 4:03pm
The blur is normal for LCD.
The grainy black picture in some broadcast signals is because it's a crap signal, not the TV. I notice it some shows like CSI or Law and Order where there's a lot of dark scenes.Or it could be the HD camera that filmed the show
For me my main gripe about the TV is that the primary colors always seem a bit off (like reds being too bluish) and the flesh tones not looking quite right
The grainy black picture in some broadcast signals is because it's a crap signal, not the TV. I notice it some shows like CSI or Law and Order where there's a lot of dark scenes.Or it could be the HD camera that filmed the show
For me my main gripe about the TV is that the primary colors always seem a bit off (like reds being too bluish) and the flesh tones not looking quite right
post #606 of 800
1/17/11 at 4:41pm
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Originally Posted by king mark
The blur is normal for LCD.
The grainy black picture in some broadcast signals is because it's a crap signal, not the TV. I notice it some shows like CSI or Law and Order where there's a lot of dark scenes.Or it could be the HD camera that filmed the show
For me my main gripe about the TV is that the primary colors always seem a bit off (like reds being too bluish) and the flesh tones not looking quite right
The blur is normal for LCD.
The grainy black picture in some broadcast signals is because it's a crap signal, not the TV. I notice it some shows like CSI or Law and Order where there's a lot of dark scenes.Or it could be the HD camera that filmed the show
For me my main gripe about the TV is that the primary colors always seem a bit off (like reds being too bluish) and the flesh tones not looking quite right
I get that at times as well. Any opinions from you or anyone else on plasma? Blur bothers the crap out of me and I dont want blur after paying this price for a TV. I also know plasmas are not as bright but sometimes thats a good thing.
post #607 of 800
1/17/11 at 6:43pm
Well ,I'm fiddling around with it again ,and comparing with my 4 year old Sharp Aquos.
My old Aquos had much better shadow detail without having to wash out the picture with brightness. Flesh tones are accurate even with all the colors seeming very vibrant
This set definitely has "black crush". I try to compensate by raising the gamma brightness but then the colors look pale ,so I try to raise Color and then things don't look right (people look sunburned)
I'm not sure if "deep blacks" should automatically mean less detail in shadows .Right now colors look good with brightness around 45 and gamma 0 , but lots of black crush
On the verge of return
My old Aquos had much better shadow detail without having to wash out the picture with brightness. Flesh tones are accurate even with all the colors seeming very vibrant
This set definitely has "black crush". I try to compensate by raising the gamma brightness but then the colors look pale ,so I try to raise Color and then things don't look right (people look sunburned)
I'm not sure if "deep blacks" should automatically mean less detail in shadows .Right now colors look good with brightness around 45 and gamma 0 , but lots of black crush
On the verge of return
post #608 of 800
1/17/11 at 11:42pm
post #609 of 800
1/18/11 at 12:10am
Ok another question since I'm not a calibration fan but would like to try something "logical'
I prefer the Warm 1 setting to Warm 2 because of generally less yellowish cast but I know I introduce some blue push by raising overall color temperature
Would sliding the Blue Offset and Blue Gain a few notches to the left (lets say 22/22) in White Balance kind of re-balance changing Warm2 to Warm1 slightly? (in terms of the whites and grays leaning less towards bluish)
Just want to know if it makes any sense
Also : How can I make yellows deeper and reds slightly more orange without affecting the whites? (in Color Space I assume)
I prefer the Warm 1 setting to Warm 2 because of generally less yellowish cast but I know I introduce some blue push by raising overall color temperature
Would sliding the Blue Offset and Blue Gain a few notches to the left (lets say 22/22) in White Balance kind of re-balance changing Warm2 to Warm1 slightly? (in terms of the whites and grays leaning less towards bluish)
Just want to know if it makes any sense
Also : How can I make yellows deeper and reds slightly more orange without affecting the whites? (in Color Space I assume)
post #610 of 800
1/18/11 at 5:43am
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1/18/11 at 5:54am
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Originally Posted by handy luke
tanks for answering.but it's not there or on sticker. just serial number and model type and nothing else.
there is nothing like aa02,aa04,sq01,.... on box or back of TV!
tanks for answering.but it's not there or on sticker. just serial number and model type and nothing else.
there is nothing like aa02,aa04,sq01,.... on box or back of TV!
Mine is on the side of the TV on the right edge just above the side inputs. It's labeled "version".
post #612 of 800
1/18/11 at 7:17am
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tanks for answering.but it's not there or on sticker. just serial number and model type and nothing else.
there is nothing like aa02,aa04,sq01,.... on box or back of TV!
tanks for answering.but it's not there or on sticker. just serial number and model type and nothing else.
there is nothing like aa02,aa04,sq01,.... on box or back of TV!
Check these two images. It should help you identify where to look:
http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/9003/labeli.jpg
http://media.photobucket.com/image/s...02-label-2.jpg
post #613 of 800
1/18/11 at 6:13pm
I've been fiddling around with the Color Space and notice "Custom" at default setting is basically all colors at 50% (saturation or brightness or whatever). The all appear equally "deeper" than Auto on the Expert Pattern 2
Does anyone just uses Custom on "default" instead of Auto? .Seems to add at least a bit of pop to all colors without screwing up the balance.
Lets say I want to make a composite color like Cyan or Yellow more saturated, do I push both sliders to the right equally?
Does anyone just uses Custom on "default" instead of Auto? .Seems to add at least a bit of pop to all colors without screwing up the balance.
Lets say I want to make a composite color like Cyan or Yellow more saturated, do I push both sliders to the right equally?
post #614 of 800
1/19/11 at 7:17pm
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Originally Posted by mikelets456
However, I have a problem with one side brighter than the other and is only noticeable on hockey or football when there is no logo on the upper left. However, when there is a logo in the upper left it balances out the brightness. I wonder if is a F/W problem? I have the 55C630 with the AA panel.
However, I have a problem with one side brighter than the other and is only noticeable on hockey or football when there is no logo on the upper left. However, when there is a logo in the upper left it balances out the brightness. I wonder if is a F/W problem? I have the 55C630 with the AA panel.
I have the exact same problem with my LN55C630 with an AA panel, the left hand side of the screen is washed out, but only in a dark scene, but where there's something lighter somewhere else on the screen, if this makes any sense. If the screen is totally black, it is not visible, as well as when the screen is totally lit it is not visible. It does have a diagonal line about 2 inches or so wide of "washedoutness" from the bottom left hand corner to the middle of the screen at the top, so it is very annoying when viewing anything that is even relatively dark and it is immediately recognizable (this is not just "forum-effect", I would've seen it regardless of reading it here). It's almost like someone is shining a flashlight from the bottom left hand corner on an angle to the top middle of the TV, hard to explain.
Anyway, I'm hoping to go back to Best Buy and exchange it for a unit with an SQ panel, but I know that's a long shot with the monkeys at Best Buy. It's also a pain to box up and drag a 55" TV back to the store in hopes that I get something better, when I'll probably just end up with another AA panel.
In addition, I have serious issues with audio/video sync with my Dish Network receiver via component cables. I haven't noticed it with my PS3, but I'm using a Monoprice HDMI cable with that. I have two more HDMI's on the way now, so hopefully that will fix the problem.
I also have a hell of a ghosting issue; so much so that I was thinking of going with a Panasonic plasma, but after seeing them today, I really prefer LCD images over plasma. Hopefully I can cure this with settings.
I know it might seem like I'm nitpicking, but the LNT4061F that this new 55 replaced had none of these issues at all. There is a slight loss of quality from an angle, but not nearly as much as this LN55C630. Here's hoping I can locate an SQ panel.
post #615 of 800
1/20/11 at 1:27am
post #616 of 800
1/20/11 at 2:33am
My final settings after 3 weeks :
***STANDARD*** Mode
Backlight 7
Contrast 85
Brightness 48
Sharpness 10
Color:38-40
Tint (G/R) G50/R50
Advanced Settings:
Back Tone Off
Dynamic Contrast Off
Shadow Detail +2
Gamma +1
Color Space:CUSTOM
___Red R50/G0/G0
___Green R0/G50/B0
___Blue R0/G0/B50
*****Yellow 53/47/0******
___Cyan R0/G50/B50
___Magenta R50/G0/B50
White Balance
___R-Offset 25
___G-Offset 25
___*****B-Offset 22****
___R-Gain 25
___G-Gain 25
___*****B-Gain 22*****
10p White Balance :OFF
Flesh Tone 0
Edge Enhancement Off
xvYCC Off
Picture Options:
Color Tone ****Warm 1****
Digital Noise Filter Off
MPEG Noise Filter Off
Film Mode :Auto 1
Auto Motion :Off or custom Blur 10,Judder0
Nothing too complex. Deepened the Yellows and reduced blue tinge from Warm 1 setting in White Balance (could use Warm 2 with Blue Offset and Gain at 28/28)
***STANDARD*** Mode
Backlight 7
Contrast 85
Brightness 48
Sharpness 10
Color:38-40
Tint (G/R) G50/R50
Advanced Settings:
Back Tone Off
Dynamic Contrast Off
Shadow Detail +2
Gamma +1
Color Space:CUSTOM
___Red R50/G0/G0
___Green R0/G50/B0
___Blue R0/G0/B50
*****Yellow 53/47/0******
___Cyan R0/G50/B50
___Magenta R50/G0/B50
White Balance
___R-Offset 25
___G-Offset 25
___*****B-Offset 22****
___R-Gain 25
___G-Gain 25
___*****B-Gain 22*****
10p White Balance :OFF
Flesh Tone 0
Edge Enhancement Off
xvYCC Off
Picture Options:
Color Tone ****Warm 1****
Digital Noise Filter Off
MPEG Noise Filter Off
Film Mode :Auto 1
Auto Motion :Off or custom Blur 10,Judder0
Nothing too complex. Deepened the Yellows and reduced blue tinge from Warm 1 setting in White Balance (could use Warm 2 with Blue Offset and Gain at 28/28)
post #617 of 800
1/20/11 at 3:53am
Quote:
Originally Posted by king mark
My final settings after 3 weeks :
***STANDARD*** Mode
Contrast 85
Brightness 48
Sharpness 10
Color 40
Tint (G/R) G50/R50
Advanced Settings:
Back Tone Off
Dynamic Contrast Off
Shadow Detail +2
Gamma +1
Color Space:CUSTOM
___Red R50/G0/G0
___Green R0/G50/B0
___Blue R0/G0/B50
*****Yellow 53/47/0******
___Cyan R0/G50/B50
___Magenta R50/G0/B50
White Balance
___R-Offset 25
___G-Offset 25
___*****B-Offset 22****
___R-Gain 25
___G-Gain 25
___*****B-Gain 22*****
10p White Balance :OFF
Flesh Tone 0
Edge Enhancement Off
xvYCC Off
Picture Options:
Color Tone ****Warm 1****
Digital Noise Filter Off
MPEG Noise Filter Off
Film Mode :Auto 1
Auto Motion :Off or custom Blur 10,Judder0
Nothing too complex. Deepened the Yellows and reduced blue tinge from Warm 1 setting in White Balance (could use Warm 2 with Blue Offset and Gain at 28/28)
My final settings after 3 weeks :
***STANDARD*** Mode
Contrast 85
Brightness 48
Sharpness 10
Color 40
Tint (G/R) G50/R50
Advanced Settings:
Back Tone Off
Dynamic Contrast Off
Shadow Detail +2
Gamma +1
Color Space:CUSTOM
___Red R50/G0/G0
___Green R0/G50/B0
___Blue R0/G0/B50
*****Yellow 53/47/0******
___Cyan R0/G50/B50
___Magenta R50/G0/B50
White Balance
___R-Offset 25
___G-Offset 25
___*****B-Offset 22****
___R-Gain 25
___G-Gain 25
___*****B-Gain 22*****
10p White Balance :OFF
Flesh Tone 0
Edge Enhancement Off
xvYCC Off
Picture Options:
Color Tone ****Warm 1****
Digital Noise Filter Off
MPEG Noise Filter Off
Film Mode :Auto 1
Auto Motion :Off or custom Blur 10,Judder0
Nothing too complex. Deepened the Yellows and reduced blue tinge from Warm 1 setting in White Balance (could use Warm 2 with Blue Offset and Gain at 28/28)
Thanks mark for sharing your settings. i have a SQ03 panel as well, i will try it when i get home. i was just wondering, your using this settings for every input ? should i use that for my ps3, xbox, blu ray and my HD STB
thanks
Steve
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1/20/11 at 5:13am
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I calibrated an LN55C650 yesterday. The results can be seen in the attached pdf. Although the numbers are good there is something wrong with this display and I wonder if it could in any way be related to previous posts I have seen concerning both color and screen uniformity anomalies. It was impossible to make the viewing environment dark so if there were any problems with clouding or flashlighting they were not noticeable.
The problem with this set is that all the colors are clipped. This should be rectifiable with a reduction in contrast but it doesn't work. I'm going to post in the Calibration sub forum and see if anyone has a possible explanation.
The problem with this set is that all the colors are clipped. This should be rectifiable with a reduction in contrast but it doesn't work. I'm going to post in the Calibration sub forum and see if anyone has a possible explanation.
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1/20/11 at 5:39am
What do you mean by colors are "clipped"?
habs84 give me feedback!
These are my settings for TV cable box.
For BluRays I used a "reverse" setting using Movie Mode and Warm 2 (giving basically the same picture as my Standard/Warm 1 setting above) only slightly less saturated. To be the same in Movie, Color would have to be around 58 :
BLURAY/DVD:
**MOVIE*** Mode
Backlight :7
Contrast 85
Brightness 48
Sharpness 10
Color 52-54
Tint (G/R) G50/R50
Advanced Settings:
Back Tone Off
Dynamic Contrast Off
Shadow Detail +2
Gamma +1
Color Space:CUSTOM
___Red R50/G0/G0
___Green R0/G50/B0
___Blue R0/G0/B50
*****Yellow 53/47/0******
___Cyan R0/G50/B50
___Magenta R50/G0/B50
White Balance
___R-Offset 25
___G-Offset 25
___*****B-Offset 28****
___R-Gain 25
___G-Gain 25
___*****B-Gain 28*****
10p White Balance :OFF
Flesh Tone 0
Edge Enhancement Off
xvYCC Off
Picture Options:
Color Tone ****Warm 2****
Digital Noise Filter Off
MPEG Noise Filter Off
Film Mode :Auto 1
Auto Motion :Off or custom Blur 10,Judder0
I have no instruments or calibration disks, just careful observations and my PC monitor set to 6500k which I can simultaneously play movies I know well to check the TV.
The Yellow is definitely "weak" on this TV using Auto Color Space. I compared with my old TV . My tweak is closer to what I want.
habs84 give me feedback!
These are my settings for TV cable box.
For BluRays I used a "reverse" setting using Movie Mode and Warm 2 (giving basically the same picture as my Standard/Warm 1 setting above) only slightly less saturated. To be the same in Movie, Color would have to be around 58 :
BLURAY/DVD:
**MOVIE*** Mode
Backlight :7
Contrast 85
Brightness 48
Sharpness 10
Color 52-54
Tint (G/R) G50/R50
Advanced Settings:
Back Tone Off
Dynamic Contrast Off
Shadow Detail +2
Gamma +1
Color Space:CUSTOM
___Red R50/G0/G0
___Green R0/G50/B0
___Blue R0/G0/B50
*****Yellow 53/47/0******
___Cyan R0/G50/B50
___Magenta R50/G0/B50
White Balance
___R-Offset 25
___G-Offset 25
___*****B-Offset 28****
___R-Gain 25
___G-Gain 25
___*****B-Gain 28*****
10p White Balance :OFF
Flesh Tone 0
Edge Enhancement Off
xvYCC Off
Picture Options:
Color Tone ****Warm 2****
Digital Noise Filter Off
MPEG Noise Filter Off
Film Mode :Auto 1
Auto Motion :Off or custom Blur 10,Judder0
I have no instruments or calibration disks, just careful observations and my PC monitor set to 6500k which I can simultaneously play movies I know well to check the TV.
The Yellow is definitely "weak" on this TV using Auto Color Space. I compared with my old TV . My tweak is closer to what I want.
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1/20/11 at 7:54am
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I have no instruments or calibration disks, just careful observations and my PC monitor set to 6500k which I can simultaneously play movies I know well to check the TV.
The Yellow is definitely "weak" on this TV using Auto Color Space. I compared with my old TV . My tweak is closer to what I want.
I have no instruments or calibration disks, just careful observations and my PC monitor set to 6500k which I can simultaneously play movies I know well to check the TV.
The Yellow is definitely "weak" on this TV using Auto Color Space. I compared with my old TV . My tweak is closer to what I want.
Mark - I calibrate a lot of computer monitors and haven't seen one that is correct yet. Has yours been calibrated?
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1/20/11 at 11:07am
Actually no. I'm just using it to compare between TV's but it does seem "correct" and has a 6500k setting.
One question:
I have Red in Color Space set at 50/0/0 /. That means the red is "pure" right? What would be the point of moving the green or blue slider if dealing with red.
Or adding red color into the Cyan Color Space?
Maybe I'm not understanding the concept of Color Space and by using Custom at default , I'm "limiting" the number of colors the display can use from the source material?
One question:
I have Red in Color Space set at 50/0/0 /. That means the red is "pure" right? What would be the point of moving the green or blue slider if dealing with red.
Or adding red color into the Cyan Color Space?
Maybe I'm not understanding the concept of Color Space and by using Custom at default , I'm "limiting" the number of colors the display can use from the source material?
post #622 of 800
1/20/11 at 11:28am
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Originally Posted by asaberan
I have the exact same problem with my LN55C630 with an AA panel, the left hand side of the screen is washed out, but only in a dark scene, but where there's something lighter somewhere else on the screen, if this makes any sense. If the screen is totally black, it is not visible, as well as when the screen is totally lit it is not visible. It does have a diagonal line about 2 inches or so wide of "washedoutness" from the bottom left hand corner to the middle of the screen at the top, so it is very annoying when viewing anything that is even relatively dark and it is immediately recognizable (this is not just "forum-effect", I would've seen it regardless of reading it here). It's almost like someone is shining a flashlight from the bottom left hand corner on an angle to the top middle of the TV, hard to explain.
Anyway, I'm hoping to go back to Best Buy and exchange it for a unit with an SQ panel, but I know that's a long shot with the monkeys at Best Buy. It's also a pain to box up and drag a 55" TV back to the store in hopes that I get something better, when I'll probably just end up with another AA panel.
In addition, I have serious issues with audio/video sync with my Dish Network receiver via component cables. I haven't noticed it with my PS3, but I'm using a Monoprice HDMI cable with that. I have two more HDMI's on the way now, so hopefully that will fix the problem.
I also have a hell of a ghosting issue; so much so that I was thinking of going with a Panasonic plasma, but after seeing them today, I really prefer LCD images over plasma. Hopefully I can cure this with settings.
I know it might seem like I'm nitpicking, but the LNT4061F that this new 55 replaced had none of these issues at all. There is a slight loss of quality from an angle, but not nearly as much as this LN55C630. Here's hoping I can locate an SQ panel.
I have the exact same problem with my LN55C630 with an AA panel, the left hand side of the screen is washed out, but only in a dark scene, but where there's something lighter somewhere else on the screen, if this makes any sense. If the screen is totally black, it is not visible, as well as when the screen is totally lit it is not visible. It does have a diagonal line about 2 inches or so wide of "washedoutness" from the bottom left hand corner to the middle of the screen at the top, so it is very annoying when viewing anything that is even relatively dark and it is immediately recognizable (this is not just "forum-effect", I would've seen it regardless of reading it here). It's almost like someone is shining a flashlight from the bottom left hand corner on an angle to the top middle of the TV, hard to explain.
Anyway, I'm hoping to go back to Best Buy and exchange it for a unit with an SQ panel, but I know that's a long shot with the monkeys at Best Buy. It's also a pain to box up and drag a 55" TV back to the store in hopes that I get something better, when I'll probably just end up with another AA panel.
In addition, I have serious issues with audio/video sync with my Dish Network receiver via component cables. I haven't noticed it with my PS3, but I'm using a Monoprice HDMI cable with that. I have two more HDMI's on the way now, so hopefully that will fix the problem.
I also have a hell of a ghosting issue; so much so that I was thinking of going with a Panasonic plasma, but after seeing them today, I really prefer LCD images over plasma. Hopefully I can cure this with settings.
I know it might seem like I'm nitpicking, but the LNT4061F that this new 55 replaced had none of these issues at all. There is a slight loss of quality from an angle, but not nearly as much as this LN55C630. Here's hoping I can locate an SQ panel.
I called Crutchfield and they noted the account to send an SQ panel only or cancel the order... So far I am very impressed by their service. BTW, something to try.... calibrate your TV then set to game mode. I know it sounds weird, but it helps a bit. Mine went from being totally annoying to ok, there is a difference. However, mine is so bad that this fix made it "bearable" but the negative to doing this is options are grayed out, sound is HORRIBLE and tinny and can't be changed. No way I can live with this, but for the time being until (hopefully) my SQ03 panel gets here. Let me know how you make out. BTW, let me know if it is just me, but in GAME mode shadow details and BLACKS have much more detail and colors "pop" a bit more.
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1/20/11 at 2:39pm
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 Actually no. I'm just using it to compare between TV's but it does seem "correct" and has a 6500k setting.
One question: I have Red in Color Space set at 50/0/0 /. That means the red is "pure" right? What would be the point of moving the green or blue slider if dealing with red. Or adding red color into the Cyan Color Space? Maybe I'm not understanding the concept of Color Space and by using Custom at default , I'm "limiting" the number of colors the display can use from the source material? |
50/0/0 is theoretically pure but in reality it has to be dialed in. Color Management Systems of the "3D" type like we have come in three varieties, Red Green Blue (RGB like our Samsungs), Hue Saturation Luminance (HSL), or CIE Chart Coordinates plus Luminance (xyY), the last being the easiest when it's time to set gamma. There is also the inferior 2D type which does not include luminance controls.
Mark, there's a lot more to calibration than changing a couple numbers so that yellow looks right to you. The odds of your actually being correct are poor, as in 1 in a billion or so. Your set may look good to you and for most people that is all they ask. If you're a picky, anal, fussy, videophile, and you get your set professionally calibrated, it will not look good. It will look like a million bucks.
post #624 of 800
1/20/11 at 3:14pm
Thank you for your explanation buzzard
So basically I have the choice between:
Color Space Auto : Looks washed out to me
Color Space Native: Some weird cyan/blue tint I can't stand
Color Space Custom: Looks better to the eye (purity of colors) but I don't know what the hell I'm doing and probably way off to how it should really be.
At least my old TV's had color preset settings I liked
This could be a deal breaker. 10 days to decide. I like everything else about the TV, especially the good contrast ratio, uniform panel and no weird software bugs (like sound sync issues and gaming lag and the likes..)
I have to remember this 46 inch set cost me 1000$ including taxes, and replacing it with something else is going to cost me more
I was thinking of the LG 5300 LED series. I read they have an IPS panel and excellent color rendition, but some of the worst black levels(opposite of this set)
So basically I have the choice between:
Color Space Auto : Looks washed out to me
Color Space Native: Some weird cyan/blue tint I can't stand
Color Space Custom: Looks better to the eye (purity of colors) but I don't know what the hell I'm doing and probably way off to how it should really be.
At least my old TV's had color preset settings I liked
This could be a deal breaker. 10 days to decide. I like everything else about the TV, especially the good contrast ratio, uniform panel and no weird software bugs (like sound sync issues and gaming lag and the likes..)
I have to remember this 46 inch set cost me 1000$ including taxes, and replacing it with something else is going to cost me more
I was thinking of the LG 5300 LED series. I read they have an IPS panel and excellent color rendition, but some of the worst black levels(opposite of this set)
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1/20/11 at 3:30pm
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This could be a deal breaker. 10 days to decide.
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I only mention the movie mode because as an enthusiast calibrator that is where I always start. Go to the store and try the brighter modes as well. If you find one to be heads and shoulders above the rest, beg the manager and buy the floor model. It might have some hours on it but should come with a full warranty.
post #626 of 800
1/20/11 at 4:04pm
Another question Buzzard.
I looked at YOUR calibration settings for Color Space:
Color Space: Custom
Red R31, G0, B0
Green R0, G45, B0
Blue R0, B0, B66
Yellow R50, G50, B0
Cyan R0, G48, G53
Magenta R39, G0, B58
You changed a few intensity numbers but keep all the colors "pure". For example not adding any green or blue into the red color . So I'm not too "way off" in preferring Custom (everything at default 50) over Auto or Native?
buzz your reply is important to the future of my TV!! I could live with luminance or chroma or whatever being a bit off but I want pure primary colors
I looked at YOUR calibration settings for Color Space:
Color Space: Custom
Red R31, G0, B0
Green R0, G45, B0
Blue R0, B0, B66
Yellow R50, G50, B0
Cyan R0, G48, G53
Magenta R39, G0, B58
You changed a few intensity numbers but keep all the colors "pure". For example not adding any green or blue into the red color . So I'm not too "way off" in preferring Custom (everything at default 50) over Auto or Native?
buzz your reply is important to the future of my TV!! I could live with luminance or chroma or whatever being a bit off but I want pure primary colors
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1/20/11 at 7:04pm
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1/20/11 at 8:42pm
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Another question Buzzard.
I looked at YOUR calibration settings for Color Space:
Color Space: Custom
Red R31, G0, B0
Green R0, G45, B0
Blue R0, B0, B66
Yellow R50, G50, B0
Cyan R0, G48, G53
Magenta R39, G0, B58
You changed a few intensity numbers but keep all the colors "pure". For example not adding any green or blue into the red color . So I'm not too "way off" in preferring Custom (everything at default 50) over Auto or Native?
buzz your reply is important to the future of my TV!! I could live with luminance or chroma or whatever being a bit off but I want pure primary colors
Another question Buzzard.
I looked at YOUR calibration settings for Color Space:
Color Space: Custom
Red R31, G0, B0
Green R0, G45, B0
Blue R0, B0, B66
Yellow R50, G50, B0
Cyan R0, G48, G53
Magenta R39, G0, B58
You changed a few intensity numbers but keep all the colors "pure". For example not adding any green or blue into the red color . So I'm not too "way off" in preferring Custom (everything at default 50) over Auto or Native?
buzz your reply is important to the future of my TV!! I could live with luminance or chroma or whatever being a bit off but I want pure primary colors
Those are the numbers for MY display and there is little reason to believe they would work on any other display. They are the result of responding to what the meter is reading, nothing more. "Pure" might be 0,0,50 in theory, but pure on my set might be 13,3,47. It's whatever it takes and it takes a meter and software to "see" it. There is no other way.
Luminance, in the perception of color, is every bit as important as saturation and hue. Look back at the attachment on post #618. Check out page 3 on the pdf and note that the numbers include "Y" which is luminance. x and y are references on the CIE chart (pg. 5) but Y is not available there. It is separate. There is no guess work here. It is color science and the numbers are well known standards.
post #629 of 800
1/20/11 at 10:41pm
I compared again back and forth with my old TV and Color Space Custom (default) is pretty much how it looks. I have a feeling it's just a generic setting with all colors equal, so if you happen to prefer that you can use it. Anyways it's the best non "true calibrating" setting I can find
I still think shadow detail isn't very good on this TV .I didn't expect "black crush" after 4 years of evolution in panels
I still think shadow detail isn't very good on this TV .I didn't expect "black crush" after 4 years of evolution in panels
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1/21/11 at 4:59am
Here's a calibration that was done By David Mackenzie at hdtvtest co uk
I'm new here so I can't post the URL yet.
It seems to work well on my LN46C600 with a SQ01 panel. I know it's not perfect for my panel, but colors are saturated without being overblown. It actually makes my panel look sharper now. The AVSHD 709 grayscale patterns look a lot better now. I still have to try some of the others listed on this forum.
Picture Mode: MOVIE
Backlight: 4 (to achieve ~115 cd/m2 peak luminance - set this according to your viewing environment)
Contrast: 94
Brightness: 44
Sharpness: 0 for HD content, 20-30 for SD
Colour: 48
Tint: Neutral (50/50)
Advanced:
Black Tone: Off
Dynamic Contrast: Off
Shadow Detail: 0
Gamma: +1
Colour Space: Custom (see settings below)
Flesh Tone: 0
Edge Enhancer: Off
CMS Settings (R / G / B):
Red: 50 0 0
Green: 25 55 0
Blue: 0 14 71
Yellow: 52 52 0
Cyan: 24 52 54
Magenta: 43 9 55
White Balance:
Offset (R,G,B): 28, 25, 24
Gain (R,G,B): 19, 26, 24
10p White Balance: ON
Interval 1 (R,G,B): 2 0 0
2: 0 0 -1
3: 0 0 -1
4: -1 0 -1
5: 0 0 0
6: 1 0 0
7: 0 0 -1
8: 0 1 -2
9: 0 2 -2
10: 0 2 -3
Picture Options screen:
Colour Tone: Warm2
Aspect Ratio: Screen Fit for 1080i/1080p, according to source otherwise
Digital Noise Filter: Off
MPEG Noise Filter: Off
HDMI Black Level: depends on source, Low for video devices
Film Mode: Auto 1 or Auto 2 depending on content
Motion Plus: Custom, Blur Reduction: 10, Judder Reduction: 0
I'm new here so I can't post the URL yet.
It seems to work well on my LN46C600 with a SQ01 panel. I know it's not perfect for my panel, but colors are saturated without being overblown. It actually makes my panel look sharper now. The AVSHD 709 grayscale patterns look a lot better now. I still have to try some of the others listed on this forum.
Picture Mode: MOVIE
Backlight: 4 (to achieve ~115 cd/m2 peak luminance - set this according to your viewing environment)
Contrast: 94
Brightness: 44
Sharpness: 0 for HD content, 20-30 for SD
Colour: 48
Tint: Neutral (50/50)
Advanced:
Black Tone: Off
Dynamic Contrast: Off
Shadow Detail: 0
Gamma: +1
Colour Space: Custom (see settings below)
Flesh Tone: 0
Edge Enhancer: Off
CMS Settings (R / G / B):
Red: 50 0 0
Green: 25 55 0
Blue: 0 14 71
Yellow: 52 52 0
Cyan: 24 52 54
Magenta: 43 9 55
White Balance:
Offset (R,G,B): 28, 25, 24
Gain (R,G,B): 19, 26, 24
10p White Balance: ON
Interval 1 (R,G,B): 2 0 0
2: 0 0 -1
3: 0 0 -1
4: -1 0 -1
5: 0 0 0
6: 1 0 0
7: 0 0 -1
8: 0 1 -2
9: 0 2 -2
10: 0 2 -3
Picture Options screen:
Colour Tone: Warm2
Aspect Ratio: Screen Fit for 1080i/1080p, according to source otherwise
Digital Noise Filter: Off
MPEG Noise Filter: Off
HDMI Black Level: depends on source, Low for video devices
Film Mode: Auto 1 or Auto 2 depending on content
Motion Plus: Custom, Blur Reduction: 10, Judder Reduction: 0
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