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post #691 of 800
Hi, is there a way to tell what panel I have in a 670 which is similar to a 650 without a box?

I only have the TV

Thanks
post #692 of 800
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Originally Posted by trophybuck135 View Post

Hi, is there a way to tell what panel I have in a 670 which is similar to a 650 without a box?

I only have the TV

Thanks

It is on the back or the side of the TV.
post #693 of 800
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Originally Posted by Leachman View Post

Skibum I tried your latest settings on my 55 inch c650 with an sq01 panel. The picture is fantastic! Thanks very much!

Can somebody please direct me to Skibum's latest settings? And Buzzard's if possible?

Also I'm assuming these latest calibrations would be for the most recent firmware which is 2010/09/10_001010 correct? at least that's what I just updated to from Samsungs website


-jb
post #694 of 800
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Originally Posted by jbdawson View Post

Can somebody please direct me to Skibum's latest settings? And Buzzard's if possible?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=404
post #695 of 800
^just peaking in here wanted to say thanks, unfortunately dont own the set anymore
post #696 of 800
Glad I found this post because this tv was going back to the store. I have been a plasma watcher for a while, so figured I would try something new so I bought the 650. Thank you guys for all the great information, I think I am going to like this set once I get it dialed in.
post #697 of 800
I am going to be that guy, and I don't want anyone to hold it against me.

After reading this entire thread ovefr the past three days, I have deiced that Skibum's and Buzzards input havce been invaluable. My only problem is deciding what the current setting either one of them have at this point. I updated my software to the latest 1006.

I am currently using Skibum's settings from the Summer of 2010, but I am intrigued by Buzzard's settings because we have the exact TV.

The only reason why I want to change the settings, is becausew the TV actually looked too real...like live TV from a camcorder. I dont know if that makes sense, but does anyone have the latest settings for this TV?

Preferably with wonderful documentation like Skibum...

I would surely love to heaser from Buzzard or at least a link to the right post.

Thank you all for your patience.
post #698 of 800
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Originally Posted by gq278 View Post

I am going to be that guy, and I don't want anyone to hold it against me.

After reading this entire thread ovefr the past three days, I have deiced that Skibum's and Buzzards input havce been invaluable. My only problem is deciding what the current setting either one of them have at this point. I updated my software to the latest 1006.

I am currently using Skibum's settings from the Summer of 2010, but I am intrigued by Buzzard's settings because we have the exact TV.

The only reason why I want to change the settings, is becausew the TV actually looked too real...like live TV from a camcorder. I dont know if that makes sense, but does anyone have the latest settings for this TV?

Preferably with wonderful documentation like Skibum...

I would surely love to heaser from Buzzard or at least a link to the right post.

Thank you all for your patience.

I use Buzzards settings and I feel it looks the most "natural". I had a 51" Hitachi RP HDTV before this and his settings make it look as natual as that did. Color reproduction looks good and nothing is over saturated. Black levels are every bit as good and whites are not over powering. Also with his settings if the room is bright I simply turn up the backlighting a bit and the colors don't get washed out. But hey, it's what is pleasing to your eyes that matters most. One thing we can agree on with this TV is there are endless options for tweaking and i am sure I will continue to "tweak" for a long time to come.
post #699 of 800
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Originally Posted by gq278 View Post

I am currently using Skibum's settings from the Summer of 2010, but I am intrigued by Buzzard's settings because we have the exact TV.
The following is my latest calibration. I decided to boost the peak white because of the very bright room in which my LN40C630 is located. I was also not totally happy with shadow detail and human facial tones so I spent a lot of time on gamma. The result was outstanding with a flat gamma of 2.22 +/- .01. Other than the fact that I would like to see a little better black level, this is the best picture I've ever seen. Lower black level is not possible due to the limits of the set.

Peak white = 61 FtL
Black level = .018
On/Off Contrast = 3522
Gamma 2.22


Source: HDMI1

Mode: Cal-Day
Backlight: 10
Contrast: 91
Brightness: 48
Sharpness: 0
Color: 46
Tint (G/R): G50/R50
Eco Solution: All off

Advanced Settings

Black Tone: Off
Dynamic Contrast: Off
Shadow Detail: 0
Gamma: 0
Expert Pattern: Off
RGB Only Mode: Off

Color Space: Custom
Red R38, G0, B0
Green R14, G58, B0
Blue R15, B3, B71
Yellow R49, G55, B0
Cyan R18, G54, G57
Magenta R39, G0, B63

White Balance:
Red offset 24
G 25
B 23
Red Gain 20
G 25
B 25

10 Pt white balance on
1) R -3, G -4, B -5
2) R -2, G -4, B -4
3) R -3, G -3, B -3
4) R -1, G -3, B -2
5) R -1, G -3, B 0
6) R -2, G -3, B 0
7) R -1, G -3, B 0
8) R -1, G 0 B 0
9) R 1, G 0, B 2
10) R 1, G 0, B 2

Flesh Tone: 0
Edge Enhancement: Off

Picture Options:
Color Tone: Warm 2`
Size: 16:9
Digital Noise Filter: Off
MPEG Noise Filter: Off
Film Mode; Off
Auto Motion Plus 120hz: Standard
Auto Protection Time: 2 hours

The calibration report clearly shows red, green, and thus the secondary yellow slightly undersaturated. This is due to limitations of the TV itself. All of the hues are very close and this is more important than saturation.

As always, be reminded that using calibration numbers from sets other than your own seldom comes close to the same result on YOUR display. TV manufacturers don't exactly buy military spec components and that is but one of the reasons why calibration is required.

 

3Mar40C630DaySmall.pdf 249.265625k . file
post #700 of 800
ln46c650 (purchased last week)

I've tried this setting and I admit, it is nice. My tv is in a dimly lit room in a basement. Honestly though, I do like it still on Natural setting. This seems more agreeable to me for movies and television. And I love the 'POP' you get. 'Movie' mode still seems to me to dbe too dingy and dirty.
What I'm trying to figure out is if there's a way to save multiple configurations so I can easily switch settings?
post #701 of 800
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Originally Posted by Dangeresque View Post

ln46c650 (purchased last week)

I've tried this setting and I admit, it is nice. My tv is in a dimly lit room in a basement. Honestly though, I do like it still on Natural setting. This seems more agreeable to me for movies and television. And I love the 'POP' you get. 'Movie' mode still seems to me to dbe too dingy and dirty.

My settings won't work on your display. I must have said that a hundred times. Without a doubt, my TV has the best looking picture I have ever seen anywhere. Samsung has done us all a favor by implementing a world class 10 point grayscale/gamma control and full 3D CMS (Color Management System). It is better than that provided by any and all other manufacturers.

The problem is that if your set is not fully calibrated it won't mean a thing to you because you'll never get the chance to see what it can do.

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Originally Posted by Dangeresque View Post

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What I'm trying to figure out is if there's a way to save multiple configurations so I can easily switch settings?

The link below includes this:

6. Select Source and either right or left arrow to ALL

Change ALL to the other setting (can't remember what it is) and you will be able to have separate settings for each input, both Cal-Day and Cal-Night.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=5027
post #702 of 800
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Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

The following is my latest calibration. I decided to boost the peak white because of the very bright room in which my LN40C630 is located. I was also not totally happy with shadow detail and human facial tones so I spent a lot of time on gamma. The result was outstanding with a flat gamma of 2.22 +/- .01. Other than the fact that I would like to see a little better black level, this is the best picture I've ever seen. Lower black level is not possible due to the limits of the set.

Peak white = 61 FtL
Black level = .018
On/Off Contrast = 3522
Gamma 2.22


Source: HDMI1

Mode: Cal-Day
Backlight: 10
Contrast: 91
Brightness: 48
Sharpness: 0
Color: 46
Tint (G/R): G50/R50
Eco Solution: All off

Advanced Settings

Black Tone: Off
Dynamic Contrast: Off
Shadow Detail: 0
Gamma: 0
Expert Pattern: Off
RGB Only Mode: Off

Color Space: Custom
Red R38, G0, B0
Green R14, G58, B0
Blue R15, B3, B71
Yellow R49, G55, B0
Cyan R18, G54, G57
Magenta R39, G0, B63

White Balance:
Red offset 24
G 25
B 23
Red Gain 20
G 25
B 25

10 Pt white balance on
1) R -3, G -4, B -5
2) R -2, G -4, B -4
3) R -3, G -3, B -3
4) R -1, G -3, B -2
5) R -1, G -3, B 0
6) R -2, G -3, B 0
7) R -1, G -3, B 0
8) R -1, G 0 B 0
9) R 1, G 0, B 2
10) R 1, G 0, B 2

Flesh Tone: 0
Edge Enhancement: Off

Picture Options:
Color Tone: Warm 2`
Size: 16:9
Digital Noise Filter: Off
MPEG Noise Filter: Off
Film Mode; Off
Auto Motion Plus 120hz: Standard
Auto Protection Time: 2 hours

The calibration report clearly shows red, green, and thus the secondary yellow slightly undersaturated. This is due to limitations of the TV itself. All of the hues are very close and this is more important than saturation.

As always, be reminded that using calibration numbers from sets other than your own seldom comes close to the same result on YOUR display. TV manufacturers don't exactly buy military spec components and that is but one of the reasons why calibration is required.


Buzz,


How do you think these settings would work out on my LN55C630K1F?
post #703 of 800
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Originally Posted by Jbibbs5 View Post

Buzz,


How do you think these settings would work out on my LN55C630K1F?

All you can do is plug my numbers into the Movie mode or activated Cal-Day or Night modes and see what you get. The experience over the last year is that most people have found some improvement. This may be so, but each set is unique and needs its own calibration so "some improvement" may not be much.

If you don't already have one of the calibration discs, follow the instructions found here to download a free one and how to use it. These basic settings are much more important than they may seem on the surface and will go a long way to improving your picture.
post #704 of 800
Thanks Buzz, you rock! I've downloaded the calibration disc so my task is ahead of me. Of course, if someone out there has a Ln46c650 and some recommended settings, please post.
post #705 of 800
Hello,

Pretty, knew.

I have a LN46C600, has anyone calibrated this set yet? I have the SQ01 panel.

Also, is there anything apps wise that can be loaded into this thing? Or is it just a network browser to play media files? I would be interested in app that allows me to go out to the web.

Regards,
post #706 of 800
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Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

The following is my latest calibration. I decided to boost the peak white because of the very bright room in which my LN40C630 is located. I was also not totally happy with shadow detail and human facial tones so I spent a lot of time on gamma. The result was outstanding with a flat gamma of 2.22 +/- .01. Other than the fact that I would like to see a little better black level, this is the best picture I've ever seen. Lower black level is not possible due to the limits of the set.

Peak white = 61 FtL
Black level = .018
On/Off Contrast = 3522
Gamma 2.22


Source: HDMI1

Mode: Cal-Day
Backlight: 10
Contrast: 91
Brightness: 48
Sharpness: 0
Color: 46
Tint (G/R): G50/R50
Eco Solution: All off


10 Pt white balance on
1) R -3, G -4, B -5
2) R -2, G -4, B -4
3) R -3, G -3, B -3
4) R -1, G -3, B -2
5) R -1, G -3, B 0
6) R -2, G -3, B 0
7) R -1, G -3, B 0
8) R -1, G 0 B 0
9) R 1, G 0, B 2
10) R 1, G 0, B 2

I have question about the brightness setting. When I was calibrating my set, I set the brightness at 45 to just barely see the the left bar (i might just be imagining it in fact). This seems to give the truest black level. HOWEVER, at this level the blacks are crushed and dark scenes look too dim. I tried to compensate for this by upping the first of the 10 point white balance point and raising the gamma by one. This does help the dim scenes, now it doesn't look right. I have also tried raising the brightness from anywhere from 46-48. Black level suffers a bit, but the overall picture seems better. I mostly notice the higher black level in black bars, not within the picture itself. However, there are some scenes that are mostly black and then it doesn't look black.

I see you have your brightness set at 48 and then you *lower* the first of the custom 10 pt white balance? Should I just try these setting on my TV?

Is this all just a compromise between absolute black levels and black crush?
post #707 of 800
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Originally Posted by elucid_one View Post

I have question about the brightness setting. When I was calibrating my set, I set the brightness at 45 to just barely see the the left bar (i might just be imagining it in fact). This seems to give the truest black level. HOWEVER, at this level the blacks are crushed and dark scenes look too dim. I tried to compensate for this by upping the first of the 10 point white balance point and raising the gamma by one. This does help the dim scenes, now it doesn't look right. I have also tried raising the brightness from anywhere from 46-48. Black level suffers a bit, but the overall picture seems better. I mostly notice the higher black level in black bars, not within the picture itself. However, there are some scenes that are mostly black and then it doesn't look black.

I see you have your brightness set at 48 and then you *lower* the first of the custom 10 pt white balance? Should I just try these setting on my TV?

Is this all just a compromise between absolute black levels and black crush?

Good observation and here's the answer. If you look at my previous calibration you'll see that brightness was set at 46. That is because it was a set up for night viewing. Brightness is the one setting that is always accomplished by eye. The new calibration is for daytime viewing and the brightness had to be turned up a couple of clicks in order to see level 17 (just above black). Unfortunately this obviously raises black level which lowers contrast (by a lot) and overall picture quality suffers but this is a sacrifice required to see detail in the dark areas.

The viewing room itself is a part of calibration. If you can't have it totally light controlled you have to make compromises in other areas and you'll lose a bit of picture quality. I can expound on this if you'd like.

I don't understand what you are asking about the 10 point grayscale. The numbers are the result of meter readings, nothing more. These are the settings I needed to make to get the desired result. Edit: Gamma setting was +1. now it's 0. This is why the big difference in 10 pt. settings.

Hope that helps.
post #708 of 800
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Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

Good observation and here's the answer. If you look at my previous calibration you'll see that brightness was set at 46. That is because it was a set up for night viewing. Brightness is the one setting that is always accomplished by eye. The new calibration is for daytime viewing and the brightness had to be turned up a couple of clicks in order to see level 17 (just above black). Unfortunately this obviously raises black level which lowers contrast (by a lot) and overall picture quality suffers but this is a sacrifice required to see detail in the dark areas.

The viewing room itself is a part of calibration. If you can't have it totally light controlled you have to make compromises in other areas and you'll lose a bit of picture quality. I can expound on this if you'd like.

I don't understand what you are asking about the 10 point grayscale. The numbers are the result of meter readings, nothing more. These are the settings I needed to make to get the desired result. Edit: Gamma setting was +1. now it's 0. This is why the big difference in 10 pt. settings.

Hope that helps.

If I watch mostly at night, are these the best numbers to use? this calibration

Also, sometimes I notice a TV show or movie is too dark to see much (wife even complains). Do you ever make adjustments based on the content? My solution is to bump up the gamma a point or two.
post #709 of 800
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Originally Posted by elucid_one View Post

If I watch mostly at night, are these the best numbers to use? this calibration

Also, sometimes I notice a TV show or movie is too dark to see much (wife even complains). Do you ever make adjustments based on the content? My solution is to bump up the gamma a point or two.

Those are the best numbers to use on MY TV. Every display is different and I only posted my settings because people asked.

Blu-Ray discs are or should be made to HD Rec. 709 standards and as content goes they will be the closest available and thus will usually look better than cable TV, games, etc. Every network, station, program, and camera is unfortunately different and that is why you see differences among various programming. If Gamma is correct (mine is but when you use my numbers then ?????) don't touch it. If the content is a little dark for your taste first look at dark areas. If grays are crushed into black and there is no shadow detail you'll need to turn up the brightness a bit. If light and dark areas are too dark then turn up the backlight and maybe a click or two of contrast. If the colors still seem dark and dull at this point I suggest turning up the color control. The control is not saturation as most people believe. It's chroma. Tom Huffman - "They are Chroma gain controls. Turn the color up, you increase the chroma of the signal. Turn the Color down, and you decrease the chroma. Although related, chroma and saturation are not the same."

The bottom line on brightness is that you have to use a calibration disc and do it yourself for your TV. The single most import picture quality is contrast, the bright level divided by the black level and those two levels are set with the contrast and brightness controls while viewing appropriate patterns. If you don't have a calibration disc, read this post and follow the link therein to cut your own disc. Don't forget to download the patterns manual.
post #710 of 800
Thanks Buzzard! The tv is the best it has ever looked. Colors look much much better. This was the look I wanted: properly calibrated. Seriously, I bet it is very very close. It just look rights
post #711 of 800
I'm sorry guys.. New chick hehe

I am a bit puzzled with all of this


10 Pt white balance on
1) R -3, G -4, B -5
2) R -2, G -4, B -4
3) R -3, G -3, B -3
4) R -1, G -3, B -2
5) R -1, G -3, B 0
6) R -2, G -3, B 0
7) R -1, G -3, B 0
8) R -1, G 0 B 0
9) R 1, G 0, B 2
10) R 1, G 0, B 2

I have the LN55c630K1FXZA VERSION SQ01
and when I come across this settings and turn on the 10 Pt White balance
I only see
Interval 1 to 10 and is at 1
Red
Green
Blue
Reset

And it seems as though there is 10 diff parts to this.. ??

I'm sorry but what am I doing wrong. Also I am not using a fancy program for this, I am doing this manually is this the reason?
post #712 of 800
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Originally Posted by sureisme View Post

I'm sorry guys.. New chick hehe

I am a bit puzzled with all of this


10 Pt white balance on
1) R -3, G -4, B -5
2) R -2, G -4, B -4
3) R -3, G -3, B -3
4) R -1, G -3, B -2
5) R -1, G -3, B 0
6) R -2, G -3, B 0
7) R -1, G -3, B 0
8) R -1, G 0 B 0
9) R 1, G 0, B 2
10) R 1, G 0, B 2

I have the LN55c630K1FXZA VERSION SQ01
and when I come across this settings and turn on the 10 Pt White balance
I only see
Interval 1 to 10 and is at 1
Red
Green
Blue
Reset

And it seems as though there is 10 diff parts to this.. ??

I'm sorry but what am I doing wrong. Also I am not using a fancy program for this, I am doing this manually is this the reason?

Click on Interval and you can select from 1 to 10. Each interval has settings for R, G, & B. 10 intervals, 30 individual settings.
post #713 of 800
There's been no luck this far, but thought I'd try again...has anyone calibrated a 60c630 and if so, would you be willing to share your settings (specifically color space, white balance, and 10p white balance)
post #714 of 800
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Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

Click on Interval and you can select from 1 to 10. Each interval has settings for R, G, & B. 10 intervals, 30 individual settings.

Yikes... Thanks let me try it and see what happens...
post #715 of 800
I have some pretty significant flash lighting on the corners of my set. Would loosening the screws on the back of the set reduce that a bit? So far I am liking my old LN46A550 better than this set other than the 120Hz (which I can't really tell the difference) and slightly better black levels.
post #716 of 800
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Originally Posted by M. Brown View Post

I have some pretty significant flash lighting on the corners of my set. Would loosening the screws on the back of the set reduce that a bit? So far I am liking my old LN46A550 better than this set other than the 120Hz (which I can't really tell the difference) and slightly better black levels.

I tried this on mine. I have minor flashlighting in the bottom right corner. It won't hurt anything, but it may make some corner worse/better. Just experiment with it in a pitch black room. Wait until your set has been on for awhile so that the screen is nice and warm, and then loosen/tighten the screws around the edges/corners. You can always adjust if it makes it worse. I found a slight reduction in the flashlighting, but not much (maybe 15% max). There's little more you can do short of trying to open up your set, opening up the cfl array and seeing where it needs more sealing. I wouldn't do this. I'd rather just have samsung replace the panel. But keep in mind that you could get a WORSE panel replacement.
post #717 of 800
What´s the difference between this new firmware T-MSX6DEUC_2000.2 for le40c630k1w and the older one? another thing is in service menu i can´t select the expert menu, why?
post #718 of 800
Thank you Tom for the great program and awesome meter!! I have calibrated by 60C630 FB01 panel with Chromapure and a i1Display LT Pro meter. I used the AVS HD calibration disc fed via HDMI from a Panasonic BD60 Blu Ray player. As before, use at your own risk...these are settings that yielded near perfect settings on my TV (couldn't believe the difference!! well worth the money buying chromapure or paying an ISF calibrator based on my own experience). This is my first time through, but I"m very happy with my initial results (near 2.2 gamma). I will update if I get better results with another calibration down the road:

Mode: Movie
Backlight: 5
Contrast: 93
Brightness: 43
Sharpness: 34 (less seems to blur the image, more seems to create ringing)
Color: 50
Tint: G50/R50
Eco Solution: off

Advanced Settings:
Black Tone: Off
Dynamic Contrast: Off
Shadow Detail: 0
Gamma: 0

Color Space:
Red: R61,G0,B6
Green: R0,G69,B0
Blue: R20,G0,B86
Yellow: R82,G56,B0
Cyan: R9,G51,B94
Magenta: R92,G0,B89

White Balance:
R-Offset: 12
G-Offset: 30
B-Offset: 9
R-Gain: 45
G-Gain: 17
B-Gain: 40

10p White Balance:
1: 8, -10, 7
2: 6, -10, 10
3: 8, -10, 9
4: 9, -7, 9
5: 9, -7, 10
6: 8, -8, 8
7: 8, -6, 10
8: 5, -5, 10
9: 3, -2, 10
10: 0, -3, 10

Flesh Tone: 0
Edge Enhancement: Off
xvYCC: on

Picture Options:
Color Tone: Warm2
Size: Screen Fit
Digital Noise Filter: Off
MPEG Noise Filter: Off
AMP: Custom (Blur 10, Judder 3)
post #719 of 800
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU (0:

Been waiting a long time for this !!
post #720 of 800
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Originally Posted by jlsavs View Post

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU (0:

Been waiting a long time for this !!

So have I! Haha! Hope the settings work okay for you....I'm pretty happy with them...may do it again in a few weeks when I get used to how everything works
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