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post #121 of 482
5/4/10 at 5:53pm
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Originally Posted by TheGuyInTheChair View Post

I sold my G10 because it was literally unwatchable at night if it was showing dark scenes. The blacks were a fairly mediocre shade of gray

Earlier in this very thread you said that your G10 had similar black compared to your C750. Now you are stating that your G10 is has gray black levels. So now you're saying the C750 has gray blacks?
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post #122 of 482
5/4/10 at 5:55pm
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Originally Posted by Tony6225 View Post

WTF. Earlier in this very thread you said that your G10 didnt suffer so badly from voltage increase. So which is it? I'm having a hard time believing you now.

where did I say that :|

the hole reason I bought one was because of how bad the black levels on my g10 were
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post #123 of 482
5/4/10 at 6:02pm
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I'm not talking about motion resolution, I'm talking about how smooth it can handle 24p sources (which is the most problematic source for any TV due to it's low frame rate). The G10 doesn't have 'proper' 24p handling. It uses a low refresh rate (48Hz) so it causes flickering. The PK550 has 72Hz refresh rate. Chad B says the motion on the PK550 is comparable to the V10 (which has a 96Hz refresh rate) which he holds in high regard for motion handling.

I didn't say the blacks were great, I just said they're equal if not better than the G10 (which still has decent blacks even after the black level rise). Furthermore, you can't simply compare black level performance based on MLL. Even CCFL and edge-lit LED displays have fairly low MLL ratings these days, because they have an ABL (auto brightness limiter) similar to plasmas. The problem with CCFL and edgelit displays compared to plasmas and full matrix LED backlit displays, is the entire backlight has to dim to achieve those deep blacks, so contrast suffers.

And all I'm saying is that the PK550 is a decent upgrade over the G10 (which is a good TV in it's own right).

Anyway, I don't want to derail this thread anymore. And I'm not saying this is a bad set... just offering alternatives for someone who is possibly thinking of exchanging it.

I'm not trying to compare the G10 and a PK550 here. I'm simply stating that they are both very comparable. If he already has a G10 then the $1300 or so that it costs for a PK550 isnt close to worth the minor differences.
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post #124 of 482
5/4/10 at 6:35pm
I know what you're saying, and I somewhat agree. Though I think the PK550 is a decent upgrade over the G10. But personally, I would've held onto the G10 for another year. If you upgrade TV's every year, you'll see fairly small incremental improvements unless you go low-end to high-end (or go up a screen size). Considering he sold his G10, I think there are few options that will be a worthy upgrade -- especially considering the fact that the G10, even after the black level rise, has comparable or only slightly worse blacks than most other mid to high-end displays. You have to dip into the high-end local dimming full matrix LED displays to have black levels that come close to a 9G Kuro. There's nothing that's really in between at this point (maybe next year or later this year). The only TV's that come to mind, are the LG LH90/LHX (hard to find), PK550, LE8500 (doesn't seem to be available in Canada yet), Sony XBR8, Samsung B8500, or of course, a 9G Kuro (the aforementioned 3 also being hard to find in Canada). The PK550 is the only TV that can easily be found here in Canada.
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post #125 of 482
5/4/10 at 8:31pm
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Originally Posted by rahzel View Post

I know what you're saying, and I somewhat agree. Though I think the PK550 is a decent upgrade over the G10. But personally, I would've held onto the G10 for another year. If you upgrade TV's every year, you'll see fairly small incremental improvements unless you go low-end to high-end (or go up a screen size). Considering he sold his G10, I think there are few options that will be a worthy upgrade -- especially considering the fact that the G10, even after the black level rise, has comparable or only slightly worse blacks than most other mid to high-end displays. You have to dip into the high-end local dimming full matrix LED displays to have black levels that come close to a 9G Kuro. There's nothing that's really in between at this point (maybe next year or later this year). The only TV's that come to mind, are the LG LH90/LHX (hard to find), PK550, LE8500 (doesn't seem to be available in Canada yet), Sony XBR8, Samsung B8500, or of course, a 9G Kuro (the aforementioned 3 also being hard to find in Canada). The PK550 is the only TV that can easily be found here in Canada.

would the lh90 be a good buy?
2001 audio video sells the 47lh90 still(they are also the only place that seems to still have Kuro stock in Canada but it's $4k for the 6020)



Edit: also it will cost me less money than I sold my g10 for to buy a 50pk550
that's 1/2 the reason I sold it is knowing that i could get a 50pk550 for the same price basically(I sold it for $1200...... pk550 is $1100)
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post #126 of 482
5/4/10 at 11:11pm
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Originally Posted by TheGuyInTheChair View Post

where did I say that :|

the hole reason I bought one was because of how bad the black levels on my g10 were

You're right I went back and re-read what you said and edited my question.
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post #127 of 482
5/5/10 at 12:00am
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Originally Posted by Tony6225 View Post

You're right I went back and re-read what you said and edited my question.

to answer your reprized question

yes
the blacks are definitely kinda gray on this tv. but I've never seen an LCD that's not using local dimming LED backlighting that produces a deep shade of black so I wasn't expecting deep black levels coming in to this.


I think the black levels are better than the G10 though. originally I had my black level set to normal when I said that. After setting it to low it became better overall.

I'll take a pic demonstrating the difference in MLL momentarily
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post #128 of 482
5/5/10 at 12:12am
so here's the difference in MLL between normal, and low HDMI black level







you can see by looking at the exif data I haven't edited these photos. THey are both taken at iso 400, f/4, 2s shutter. This isn't a blank input I'm taking a picture of either. it's a pure black image displayed from my PS3
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post #129 of 482
5/5/10 at 5:42am
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Originally Posted by TheGuyInTheChair View Post

so here's the difference in MLL between normal, and low HDMI black level







you can see by looking at the exif data I haven't edited these photos. THey are both taken at iso 400, f/4, 2s shutter. This isn't a blank input I'm taking a picture of either. it's a pure black image displayed from my PS3

Looks like there is some moderate banding on the first picture, and the the second picture shoes some backlight uniformity issues although not too severe.
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post #130 of 482
5/6/10 at 12:57am
That is not an uniformity issue, thats simply the angle from the place the photo was taken: the left side has larger angle and begins to grey out a little. I wolud say its normal and this TV looks awsome. For comparisson look in the EDGE LED Threads You will be scared

Look at this one
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post #131 of 482
5/6/10 at 8:38am
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Originally Posted by djmuzi View Post

That is not an uniformity issue, thats simply the angle from the place the photo was taken: the left side has larger angle and begins to grey out a little. I wolud say its normal and this TV looks awsome. For comparisson look in the EDGE LED Threads You will be scared

Look at this one

I've never seen a better example of clouding than that
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post #132 of 482
5/8/10 at 4:37pm
I am still trying to figure out how do the C750s compare to the B750s picture quality /panel /Lag wise.

I am in a position to buy either but too scared to make an uneducated guess.
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post #133 of 482
5/8/10 at 5:43pm
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Originally Posted by Byt3 View Post

I am still trying to figure out how do the C750s compare to the B750s picture quality /panel /Lag wise.

I am in a position to buy either but too scared to make an uneducated guess.

I know what you mean. I'm deciding whether to buy a 52b750 now (they're disappearing from online stores) or wait for a 55c750. I'm worried that the PQ may actually be worse on the 55C750. CNET's review of the 55c8000 LED mentioned that its AMP controls didn't work as well as least year's models. Also, if I wait for the 55C750, I'll be waiting at least a few months for the price to come down.
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post #134 of 482
5/8/10 at 8:35pm
Truth is I liked the B650's Contrasts better, but not it's detail in dark areas as much as the B750.

Also the B650 seemed to have better viewing angles,
but then again it's contrast ratio must have helped play this trick on me.

Despite the seemingly lower contrast ratio & narrower viewing angle, & because of what appeared to me as a gamma & shadow detail advantage alone, I decided I am going with the B750.

(Also I gave up on the 52b750 because I liked the 46 better, it had more power to the picture - at least on the tvs I tried)


But I am lost between the 46C750 & 46B750, I could really use a pros help.
There is no way for me to see it in action, I can only buy without seeing it first, & I must make the decision in 2 days time .
HELP !
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post #135 of 482
5/8/10 at 10:11pm
Get the c750, it is 3D.
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post #136 of 482
5/9/10 at 7:55am
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Originally Posted by Bill View Post

Get the c750, it is 3D.

Thanks Bill.

PQ wise & Lag wise, are there any differences ?
3D features actually scare me into thinking they gave up something for it, etc.
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post #137 of 482
5/9/10 at 8:12am
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Originally Posted by TheGuyInTheChair View Post

so here's the difference in MLL between normal, and low HDMI black level







you can see by looking at the exif data I haven't edited these photos. THey are both taken at iso 400, f/4, 2s shutter. This isn't a blank input I'm taking a picture of either. it's a pure black image displayed from my PS3

What was the backlight set on in the bottom photo?
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post #138 of 482
5/9/10 at 11:16am
why quote the images as well ? why not just the text ?
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post #139 of 482
5/9/10 at 11:19am
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Originally Posted by Byt3 View Post

why quote the images as well ? why not just the text ?

if you're worried about space, why comment?
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post #140 of 482
5/9/10 at 12:35pm
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Originally Posted by Tony6225 View Post

if you're worried about space, why comment?

do I need to explain to you why ?
It's a bit annoying to see the same giant images over & over on the same page.
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post #141 of 482
5/9/10 at 4:34pm
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Originally Posted by Byt3 View Post

do I need to explain to you why ?
It's a bit annoying to see the same giant images over & over on the same page.

OCD much?
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post #142 of 482
5/9/10 at 6:49pm
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Originally Posted by Tony6225 View Post

OCD much?

yep
girls like you keep me hyped.
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post #143 of 482
5/9/10 at 7:54pm
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Originally Posted by byt3 View Post

do i need to explain to you why ?
It's a bit annoying to see the same giant images over & over on the same page.

+1
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post #144 of 482
5/9/10 at 10:36pm
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+1

we can keep posting about how annoying it is and that way you'll have to scroll your mouse wheel EVEN FURTHER!! rofl
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post #145 of 482
5/10/10 at 9:50am
What's the word on the LN55C750 in the US? Release Date, MSRP, etc ??
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post #146 of 482
5/10/10 at 10:43am
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Originally Posted by mburcke View Post

What's the word on the LN55C750 in the US? Release Date, MSRP, etc ??

We are all still waiting. I check around every day, and so far all the info I find is from the Canada Samsung website:
http://www.samsung.com/ca/consumer/t...ail&returnurl=

It's not even on the US website.

As far as price I'm hoping sites like Amazon will have it around $1,700. The ln55c650 has been on that site as low as $1550, so figuring about $150 more for the 750 is my guess.

I still can't find any reviews from sites like Cnet either.
I wish Cleveland Plasma could get some in and Chad take a look.
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post #147 of 482
5/10/10 at 2:53pm
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Originally Posted by Bambooben View Post

We are all still waiting. I check around every day, and so far all the info I find is from the Canada Samsung website:
http://www.samsung.com/ca/consumer/t...ail&returnurl=


As far as price I'm hoping sites like Amazon will have it around $1,700. The ln55c650 has been on that site as low as $1550, so figuring about $150 more for the 750 is my guess.

You might be a little optimistic on that price.

http://www.butterflyphoto.com/prodinfo.phtml?id=20455
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post #148 of 482
5/10/10 at 4:14pm
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Originally Posted by dsierra View Post

You might be a little optimistic on that price.

http://www.butterflyphoto.com/prodinfo.phtml?id=20455

Dont buy from that place. That price is rediculous. No way would Samsung price the C750 higher than a C8000. By the end of the year we will see 55C750's going for $1700-$2000.
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post #149 of 482
5/10/10 at 4:40pm
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Originally Posted by Bambooben View Post

We are all still waiting. I check around every day, and so far all the info I find is from the Canada Samsung website:
http://www.samsung.com/ca/consumer/t...ail&returnurl=

It's not even on the US website.

Yeah, I know what you mean. I'm tempted to jump on the BB deal that they have going for the LN55C630 that that have. (can't post price). I was in the store today and I had the guy check their inventory system. He had no idea on the LN55C750. If I'm a betting man, I'm thinking BB will NOT carry this set and focus their sales on LED. (that's my guess though).
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post #150 of 482
5/10/10 at 10:29pm
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Originally Posted by mburcke View Post

Yeah, I know what you mean. I'm tempted to jump on the BB deal that they have going for the LN55C630 that that have. (can't post price). I was in the store today and I had the guy check their inventory system. He had no idea on the LN55C750. If I'm a betting man, I'm thinking BB will NOT carry this set and focus their sales on LED. (that's my guess though).

I have been waiting for this model to come to BB ( mainly because I was bought out of my warranty by BB so i only have store credit ) I have been to three stores asking if and when this model may come in. At two of the stores the magnolia guys were sceptical if BB was gonna carry this model at all because of the shear amount of LCD's coming out.
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