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Small Budget & First HT Q

post #1 of 12
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FIRST AND FOREMOST, thank you to all the posts on this forum that helped us so far buy a projector, receiver, speakers, GG and cables at a really affordable (and seemingly great) prices. I feel like its a crash course on home theater building, since we did not know that there was a wealth of information here on this website until a few months ago.

We are in the process of building our first home theater, with the help of a general contractor. Our electronic budget is limited (hoping in the future we may upgrade) so we have tried as best we can to read all the various forums and posts, but we are stuck on speaker placement, screen size and projector mounting (I guess we read different ideas on how to do but not so sure those ideas apply to our situation). I have tried not to post any new questions until I did read all the posts I can find on the same problems.

We have a 12x18 basement room with no issues on ambient light. The screen will be viewed on the 12' wall, but there is a two foot soffit hanging on one of the 18' wall (left side of room), which limits the screen size. We decided last minute to build a riser to give us the ability for two rows of seating (10' and 15'). Our plans are to have 5.1 now (but wire for 7.1)

Questions:
1. Speaker placement (Energy Micros) - should I hang the front speakers on the wall with screen (which appears to be what most people do) or near the corners, about a foot away on the side wall and towards the listening area (recommended by someone with experience on HT)? Does it matter that the center channel is mounted on the wall, above the screen and not on same plane as front left and right?

I had called Energy and the guy was not too helpful - he said it would work either way but sounded very noncommittal.

2. Screen size: Original thought was 92", but considering 100". Will this be too much for viewing? I have looked at the calculators and it appears we are fine with going as large as 100", but again someone suggested that it is too big for room and seating position (he suggested 80"+). I like to seat far, my hubby and kids like to sit close.

3. Mounting projector (Viewsonic Pro8100): Because we are mounting on ceiling and the location will be where the riser is, we want to mount as close as possible to ceiling (maybe 3-4" to not bump any tall person's head). Using the lens shift, I believe we can still view the screen about 3' off the ground and 1 foot from the ceiling. Is mounting the unit this close to the ceiling a problem?

I am sure there are alot more questions, but I hope you all can help. Sorry, I have no pics, but could try and draw the plans. THANKS for any input!
post #2 of 12
When using a hard surface screen you would have no real choice but to mount the speakers as you suggest with the center either above or below. You should consider a acoustically transparent screen. This will allow you to place the speakers directly behind the screen and the sound would come thru from where it is emitting from on the screen.

I don't know how big the speakers are but you have to create enough space, usually in the form of a false wall to hang the screen in front of the speakers. If you don't want to loose the space you could always go with in walls. Check SMX or SeymourAV for AT screens. SeymourAV sells fabric for you to do your own AT screen if you want to go that route.

My room is 11'5" x 18' with an 18" false wall. So this leaves 16'5" of usable space, my first row is right around 9'5" eyes to screen and second row is 15.5-16'. I made a DIY 2:37 scope screen which measures 110" wide or 120" diaganol. Front row gives that enveloping up close effect, like your hubby and kids like and the back will give you the effect you like. It's the same with me and the Mrs, she prefers the back; front and center is the sweet spot for me. With 2 rows go with the bigger screen.

If you mount the proj. behind the second row, it will be clear of the person sitting up and down as you lean foward or dip down when getting up and down. This was a concern for me as well but having a riser about 10" tall with a mini riser 4" tall to raise the seats even further it has been a non issue. You can see my riser and projector shelf/soffit in the build thread.

Good luck.
post #3 of 12
I'd echo oman's comments about the projector placement. I too have mine mounted partially above the second row. However, as oman stated, a person cannot stand fully upright with the seat directly behind him/her. More importantly, make sure you're allowing the proper throw distance (distance from where you mount the pj to screen location) considering your projector and ultimate screen size. Have fun!
post #4 of 12
Thread Starter 
Thanks Queen and Oman. I presented the idea to my hubby about the false wall and he thought it was not necessary...I imagine, if we ever build another HT, we would probably research for a few years before diving in again and go this route. I wanted to build a bigger HT room (12x20 or 21) and he nixed the idea. He also prefers to have a couch instead of HT seats, which surprised Roman when we were considering purchasing seating for the room. But I figure we live and learn and with a bigger budget NEXT time, we would build things differently. As for now, we are trying to maximize our space and equipment with our small budget. With all the posts and different forums, this has been a very helpful site.

My "biggest concern" at the moment (changes every few days) is speaker placement because an HT guy saw my space and recommended corner speaker placement for both front and rear, which opposes everything I have read to date, so now, I am really perplexed. I just have not seen anyone's HT with that arrangement on a 5.1.
post #5 of 12
At minimum you want to keep the speakers out of the corners by at least a foot if not 2. With 16:9 it may be a little tougher but if you do 2:35 you may be able to get away with having the speakers accross the bottom of the screen. I understand about budget constraints and this being your 1st go around you will certainly learn what to do better the next time.

Has your husband sat in HT seats? I have tough time keeping the Mrs. awake even during loud movies
post #6 of 12
Depending on where you live, you may try to visit a local HT to get a better feel on screen size and seating and the like. If your "HT" friend gave you both the speaker location and screen size advise, I would really start to discount his input.

You really want the distance from 16:9 screen (width) to be about 1.2-1.5. For a 2.35:1 screen you can easily go 1.0. The limiting comfort factor for a 16:9 screen is height, not the width. This may help.



Also, like was previously suggested, keep your speakers away from boundaries like corners.

Finally, test some berklines at a local store. Wayyyyy more comfortable than a sofa. There isn't a weekend that goes by that either my wife or I fall asleep to a movie or sporting event.
post #7 of 12
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The "HT friend" was recommended by the electrician. He told me he worked on other HTs before, but I was worrying about his advice after he said our proposed screen size of 92'' was too big given that our first row was about 10-11'.

So, is placing all four speakers on the side walls at 6'5" feet up mounted and pointed towards the "ideal" seating position the best way to arrange the 5.1?

We did test Berklines and found them very comfortable, but we are leaning towards Berklines reclining couches, not HT (losing the convenience of cupholders...wonder if we will regret this...we have not totally committed on any seats yet).
post #8 of 12
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Our original plans prior to talking to HT guy was to have the front all on projection wall at the sides and below the screen for the center. We are probably within one week of wiring before drywall.

He did say with 2 rows, the sound will not be ideal for the second row since the first row will block the travel of the sound. It seems to make sense to do his suggestion because of the 2 row set up BUT when I read all the posts here, I have not found one in that arrangement. I tried looking at other forums tailored towards speakers and audio, but no luck in finding another recommendation similar to ours. Hmmm.
post #9 of 12
I would steer clear of that 'HT guy'. For the surrounds you will have to have to make a choice on whether you want the front row to be the money seats (side speakers placed in line with ear level at that seating position), second row $ seats (speakers in line with them) or compromise and do in-between rows. I've seen all three options done. I chose the second row but definitely notice a difference when I sit in the first row (not nearly as much fun ).

Regarding the lack of cupholders - we find them extremely handy not for just our drinks but also the theater candy boxes. Raisinets fit perfectly .
post #10 of 12
Thread Starter 
For the surrounds on the 5.1, I have been told to do one of the three options from various people:

1. Back Wall (there is a door on one side of the room leaving the back wall with only 8 feet of room)
2. Side Wall between two rows
3. Side wall behind both rows (my preference at the moment)

I will wire for 7.1, but still in a quandary about wiring.

Finding a place for the snacks and drinks is an important decision too! I was looking into easy portable nesting tables in lieu of no cupholders.
post #11 of 12
Not sure if you have bought your speakers yet or not but for surrounds I went with Klipsch Synergy S2's in between the 2 rows and rear for 7.1.

I really like the S2's because of their design, they have a tweeter aimed to each row and this helps each row to get the impact from the surrounds. The highs from the tweeters are the most directional. If your still open to different speakers check these or similar designed ones for a little more flexibility.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...P9A6JR6N4EN692

Another brand with a similar design is Axiom speakers.

http://www.amazon.com/QS8-Surround-S...2131407&sr=1-4
post #12 of 12
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the suggestions on speakers - but we don't have the budget to add the Axioms or Klipsch (over $400 for the pair). Maybe when we upgrade...
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