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Saw my first 3D movie in a theatre today... What a dissapointment!

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Wow, saw Disney Oceans in DISNEY XD!!!! First i was pissed that there was no mention of it being in 3d. had no interest in seeing a 3d movie whatsoever. (with the 4 year old twins) so i resigned myself to it and thought it would be ok.

Holy crap... i think once i noticed a bit of depth. ended up not wearing the glasses so that i could avoid the colour shift and the migraine inducing headache!

All i can say is that if this is 3d... it is doomed to failure.

Digital theatre, passive real d glasses.

The other think i know is that the 3D that the displays the company i work for does is so much better... this was a waste of time and energy in even putting the glasses on.
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One of the big dangers to the whole future of 3D is the 3D quality of the retro conversion of movies shot in 2D and converted to 3D just to cash in on the higher ticket price;

Here is Jeffrey Katzenberg's take on it;

Variety; Katzenberg: Biz at 3D crossroads

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"snippets!"- more in the article.

The issue for Jeffrey Katzenberg is what he calls the "cheeseball" conversion of "Clash," with results that have been almost universally panned by critics. Warners insiders conceded to Variety that some at the studio were unhappy with the look of "Clash 3D" as it was seen at some screenings. But in public, Warner execs have defended the movie and argued that its strong box office performance proved that moviegoers are satisfied.

So the issue of "Clash of the Titans" is actually not about theater (capacity) and theater access, it is about (what) that movie represents -- a different experience. And in my opinion, one that, if replicated, and becomes the standard, is the end of 3D.

We've seen the highest end of (3D) in "Avatar" and you have now witnessed the lowest end of it (in "Titans"). You cannot do anything that is of a lower grade and a lower quality than what has just been done on "Clash of the Titans." It literally is "OK, congratulations! You just snookered the movie audience."

The act of doing it was disingenuous. We may get away with it a few times but in the long run, (moviegoers) will wake up. And the day they wake up is the day they walk away from us and we blew it.

Does it take the moviegoing public one movie, three movies, five movies to get to the point where they are discerning the difference between good and terrible? By the time that happens, there will be another 20 or 30 or 40 movies in the pipeline but we (will already have) killed that goose that is delivering us golden eggs.

Every company right now is sitting, assessing what approach and what process and what economics to invest in the 3D platform. There are dozens of decisions literally that are about to be made or have just been made in the last 30 or 60 days and in the next 30 or 60 days, the sum of which will determine what happens to 3D.

So you have movies that are authored in 3D. You have movies that are conceived and post-produced in 3D and you have 2D movies that are converted. I say with absolute confidence that right now, today, for this year, there is no technology that exists that can take a 2D film and post produce it into a 3D premium offering.

And if we as an industry choose this 2D to 3D post-production conversion, it's the end. As quickly as it got here, that's how fast it will go away.

We have seen post-production conversion of 2D movies to 3D which actually play pretty sensationally on a television. On a smaller monitor, the images hold up in a much more compelling way. So I think there is (going to be) a market for 2D conversion (for the home). I think it's a disaster for movie theaters.

V: Do you think once homevideo starts going to 3D, that will be significant enough to change the economics of the studios?

JK: You mean to convert their library into 3D? It's a couple of years away. And maybe it's why I am just sort of apoplectic about this because the revenue (today) from a successful 3D release net to the studios is greater than the erosion in the DVD market over the last two years. Look, for the last 40 years, every time we've reached this (economic downturn), something's come along to save the movie business. Home television, pay television, VHS, DVD. Now 3D comes out of the blue, out of nowhere. Nobody expected this.

V: Why will these post-conversions kill 3D? In the early days of sound, there were quick-and-dirty conversions of silent movies to sound, and that didn't kill talkies.

JK: Here's the difference: We are asking the moviegoers to pay a 50 percent premium to come see these films.

So I think (there will be a) backlash. It will be a whiplash. They will walk away from this so fast.

V: It seems you're talking about two different things. You're not talking about 3D itself going away. You're talking about 3D as a premium experience, as an opportunity for the industry being so undermined that it collapses.

JK: Well, de facto, (3D) will go away, because with no premium being paid for it, and the cost (to) exhibition in terms of what they have to invest in it, I think it all does collapse.

V: But what if TV goes 3D? Don't movies have to keep up?

JK: It's bigger than this. We have been waiting now for 10 years for the rollout of digital cinema, literally one decade. For years and years and years, it's gone nowhere. Talk about the savings of that to Hollywood, it's billions. Once you've reached a full digital platform, you've (eliminated the cost of) prints.

So for the last four or five years, the raging debate here has been the inability of Hollywood to convince exhibition, because there's really nothing in it for exhibition. It doesn't change the economics of their business. They can't charge more for a digital experience. The thing that finally got everybody off the dime was when there was something in it for exhibition, which was 3D.

So now take that 3D out of the equation and you derail that (digital) train. And who's the biggest beneficiary of digital, of a full digital platform? Hollywood. So when you want to talk about the effect of actually blowing this, it's unbelievable.
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I don't get the 3-D thing either... It's cool and all but the glasses have to go. I found myself fiddling with my glasses during Avatar (which I enjoyed). I can't imagine implementing it to my theater until I need to replace my projector and 3-D is a standard on every projector. I won't upgrade early to get it.

Not to mention, the films that will be attracted to the format will likely be cheesy rather than good films.
post #5 of 132
Hi

3-D is a new form. It is for now flawed. It is new for you AND the movie producers/directors. Clash was bad, a bad example of 3-D, a VERY, VERY ( repeat 30 times) BAD movie and clearly an even worse (if that is even possible considering how bad it is as a movie) implementation of 3-D. Avatar to me was good, while the movie fan and critic in me found a lot to be desired about the movie ( the dialogue , for one) I thoroughly enjoy it. I think for that particular movie, 3-D brought a degree of, dare I say , realism, of make-believe. Let's be clear movies are a portrayal of reality, no movie is like reality, it can't be nor were they ever meant to be. 3-D will work for some movies, not so much for some, I don't see what 3-D would have brought to When Harry met Sally the same way I don't see what color would have brought to Woody Allen's Manhattan ..
3-D has its place, it will improve and just like the better Home Theater are miles over what we find in most commercial theaters, 3-D at home will be much better. A Home Theater will bring the experience to the n'th level ...
post #6 of 132
I've never heard of this being a 3-D movie either. Did you wear glasses while watching a flat movie? LOL that's a new one. And why is this post in an unrelated thread? I smell something.
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I notice the critic talked about not getting everybody going on digital projection yet it would save Hollywood billions of dollars and he misses a critical point. Hollywood saves billions, yet the investment has to come from the theater owners who do not reap the benefits of the savings. Hollywood is expecting somebody else that they are putting the financial squeeze on already to pony up billions in upgrades so the savings can go to another party.

The 2D conversions are certainly going to hurt the 3D momentum.
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Originally Posted by Dizzman View Post

Wow, saw Disney Oceans in DISNEY XD!!!!

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disney_XD

Disney XD is a brand of children's TV channels worldwide targeting young males, owned by The Walt Disney Company. The channel was formerly known as Toon Disney and/or Jetix in most areas. According to Gary Marsh, President of Entertainment for Disney Channel Worldwide, "XD" does not "stand for anything" and was chosen simply because it looked "cool". Marsh notes that "the letter X has many cool associations" and that "the beauty of it is the audience can imbue it with all sorts of positive attributes."
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First i was pissed that there was no mention of it being in 3d.

That's because it isn't.
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i think once i noticed a bit of depth.

Not bad for a 2D movie.
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this was a waste of time and energy in even putting the glasses on.

Watching a 2D movie with 3D glasses is always a waste of time and energy. If you want to take your kids to a good movie AND see effective use of 3D, check out the new Dreamsworks film 'How To Train Your Dragon'.
post #9 of 132
Is it possible the theater actually charged a premium and handed out glasses for a 2-D movie?

No wonder you didn't see any depth, there wasn't any.
post #10 of 132
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Originally Posted by Mr.Poindexter View Post

I notice the critic talked about not getting everybody going on digital projection yet it would save Hollywood billions of dollars and he misses a critical point. Hollywood saves billions, yet the investment has to come from the theater owners who do not reap the benefits of the savings. Hollywood is expecting somebody else that they are putting the financial squeeze on already to pony up billions in upgrades so the savings can go to another party.

The 2D conversions are certainly going to hurt the 3D momentum.

That is not true. There will be virtual print fees that will be lower for theaters then the fees paid using 35mm film prints
post #11 of 132
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

I don't get the 3-D thing either... It's cool and all but the glasses have to go. I found myself fiddling with my glasses during Avatar (which I enjoyed). I can't imagine implementing it to my theater until I need to replace my projector and 3-D is a standard on every projector. I won't upgrade early to get it.

Not to mention, the films that will be attracted to the format will likely be cheesy rather than good films.

I took my daughters to "Diary of a Wimpy Kid" (it sucked for adults). Point is during the previews they had no less than 5 3d movies coming out this summer...all kid movies. I think you hit it on the head Jeff...for a while at least most the 3d movies will have limited audiences.
post #12 of 132
Should they have shown trailers for SAW VII 3-D, PIRANHA 3D and RESIDENT EVIL AFTERLIFE before a kid's movie? There are 3-D movies coming in all genres (even a dance movie) this year. Nothing new, 3-D movies were spread across all genres back in the 1950's too.

3-D showings of movies accounted for 1/3 of all box office in the last 12 months. Not so limited it seems. But the good news is you can always choose to save the premium and just see the flat version. You have the choice. Just don't wear the glasses during a flat movie like the OP!
post #13 of 132
No but I have been to other movies and there have not nearly been the previews as there are for 3d. Personally I could care less about 3d anyways so maybe I just don't pay attention....
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I think the figure would be more like "titles that are available in 3D" account for 1/3 of the box office, not 1/3 of the total box office take was for 3D showings.
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Nope. One third of Hollywood's box office in the past year came from 3-D screenings. (A little movie called AVATAR helped inflate the number just a bit.)

When movies are released in both formats, consistently the stereoscopic versions sell more tickets. It can't all be explained away by higher prices at the ticket office either. When given a choice, more people are choosing the 3-D screenings. This has held true for every single 2-D/3-D release in recent years, even for the awful CLASH OF THE TITANS conversion job, though just barely on that one.

I guess what puzzles me is why all the carrying on? If you don't like 3-D, see the flat version. You'll save money. You have a choice. If you don't like strawberry ice cream, do you scream about it being available? Can't you just not eat it?
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I guess what puzzles me is why all the carrying on? If you don't like 3-D, see the flat version. You'll save money. You have a choice. If you don't like strawberry ice cream, do you scream about it being available? Can't you just not eat it?

In my case I'm concerned that the use of 3D will be a substitution for not an enhancement of the quality of films.

If it helps get people back into theaters good for them.

I personally don't get much from it. I find the effect something that I habituate too very quickly during the film and it seems, at least for me, confined to the center and if I turn a bit it disappears. Additionally, the low fL is a big big problem for me having gotten used to how much more detailed an image looks at around 20fL, 5 to 7 doesn't cut it. I tip the glasses up and it looks like I'd have preferred the brighter image to the 3D one.

Art
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I'm concerned that the use of 3D will be a substitution for not an enhancement of the quality of films.

There was probably someone back in the day that voiced the same concern about other novelties/gimmicks of the time (sound, colour, widescreen, surround, etc). New technology has never destroyed great storytelling, and it's not going to start happening in our generation.
post #18 of 132
Don't worry, there will always be plenty of bad flat 2-D movies made by Hollywood for you to see....

We now have almost every major director shooting or developing 3-D projects. I wouldn't worry that all these movies are going to turn out like TREASURE OF THE FOUR CROWNS. I mean, there has already been over 40 3-D features released since 2004; and for the most part, they haven't been too gimmicky and can hold up when flattened out.

As for the brightness issue; if your theater isn't offering good projection, complain. Go elsewhere and tell them why. Or simply go down the hall and see the flat version.
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There was probably someone back in the day that voiced the same concern about other novelties/gimmicks of the time (sound, colour, widescreen, surround, etc). New technology has never destroyed great storytelling, and it's not going to start happening in our generation.

Oh there absolutely was. The old trade papers of the time were filled with people talking about how sound, color and widescreen would destroy the art of cinema.
post #20 of 132
I would like to see the data for the 3D revenue.

Avatar grossed $745 million so far including 2D showings and that is only 7% of the amount of revenue in all of 2009, the last fill year I have data for on domestic box office receipts.

Screen Digest predicts worldwide 3D revenue to more than double to $5.5 billion for 2010. That implies that it was less than 2.75B for 2009 but we don't know how much less. Since 2009 revenue was over 10billion domestic and a lot higher worldwide, we are looking at 2009 being 26% 3D best case scenario - if all 3D screenings were in the US so it is likely a substantially lower percentage.

Still a fast growth rate for sure, though.
post #21 of 132
Yes, when talkies first came out, some people called it distracting. Same with surround sound. That's why I take it with a grain of salt when somebody says D-BOX is distracting and they have only experienced 5 minutes of it in a demo that was likely a very intense scene and not demonstrated well.
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Originally Posted by Mr.Poindexter View Post

I think the figure would be more like "titles that are available in 3D" account for 1/3 of the box office, not 1/3 of the total box office take was for 3D showings.

Study: 33% of Box Office Generated by 3D Movies

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Hollywood's 3D renaissance is proving not just to be marketing hype, as major theatrical releases since Avatar in the formerly gimmicky format have accounted for 33% of the total box office, according to a trade group study.

The International 3D Society (I3DS) found that 3D movies have ranked No. 1 at the box office for 10 out of 14 weeks this year. Clash of the Titans, How to Train Your Dragon, Alice in Wonderland and Avatar have generated $1.2 billion in domestic ticket sales out of a total of nearly $3.6 billion.

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/3-d...d-movies-19015
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Originally Posted by sdurani View Post

There was probably someone back in the day that voiced the same concern about other novelties/gimmicks of the time (sound, colour, widescreen, surround, etc). New technology has never destroyed great storytelling, and it's not going to start happening in our generation.

EXACTLY .. and NEW technology has that tendency of becoming better and cheaper ... I am somewhat surprised by the recalcitrance of several of you >> Reminds me of those LP vs CD debate of yore or the CRT vs digital, as I can see right here over the years none of you except, maybe CuRT ( he put the "u" in CRT), use CRT anymore despite those incredible blacks that Digital cannot match ..
Resistance is futile, you shall be assimilated
post #24 of 132
Oceans was screened in 3D over here too. It was nothing like Avatar, actually it was terrible, so don't let that experience ruin your impression on 3D.
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

I don't get the 3-D thing either... It's cool and all but the glasses have to go. I found myself fiddling with my glasses during Avatar (which I enjoyed). I can't imagine implementing it to my theater until I need to replace my projector and 3-D is a standard on every projector. I won't upgrade early to get it.

Not to mention, the films that will be attracted to the format will likely be cheesy rather than good films.

They are working on it. . . . brand new never been done before:

Researchers developed a revolutionary prism-patterned 3D projection display

http://www.3d-display-info.com/resea...ection-display

One of the studio execs said 10 to 15 years you will see something like this in theaters - 3D via projection with no glasses.
post #26 of 132
I don't get 3D movies either. Avatar was a good movie but fiddling with the glasses was annoying. In the group I was in though I was in the minority as everyone else liked 3D more than I did.

I think 3D was a fad in the past and it will prove to be a passing fad in the future unless they can device a better implementation than those lousy glasses.
post #27 of 132
As I suspected, that report is counting all the gross receipts of the films. Also, it isn't 33% of the revenue in the last 12 months but of the revenue since December 18th, the day Avatar came out.

Current totals are $1,370 million for all screenings of Avatar, Clash, Alice and Dragon during the time when total receipts were $3,975 million. That is 34% of the box office for those 4 films since Dec 18th.

Avatar's revenues were 80% from 3D, 20% from 2D. Alice and Dragon were 65% 3D, 35% 2D. I don't have data for Clash, but given that it is a conversion, I would suspect it probably falls in line with Alice and Dragon and not Avatar. If we calculate 65% of the Clash revenue from 3D, it would be $1002 million 3D ticket sales over that time period, which is 25% of the box office take.

That is still an impressive number, but groups lose credibility when they spread misinformation to try and sell a point and the study was by a group that promotes 3D. 25% is an honest number and they choose to pass on that impressive honest number to shoot for a dishonest 33% number in hopes of making a bigger impression.

They also chose a time period that looks good for them, starting the day Avatar opened but I will not say it was dishonest as in the future that day will likely be the day people point to as having changed the game. I wonder how it will look going forward though, as some of the 2D blockbusters come out and we won't have another Avatar to pull mega crazy numbers.
post #28 of 132
Here is the rest of 2010's 3D movie schedule:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1237092
post #29 of 132
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Originally Posted by mjaudio View Post

I don't get 3D movies either. Avatar was a good movie but fiddling with the glasses was annoying. In the group I was in though I was in the minority as everyone else liked 3D more than I did.

I think 3D was a fad in the past and it will prove to be a passing fad in the future unless they can device a better implementation than those lousy glasses.

If you enjoy 3D and go to a RealD theater on a regular basis - you might like to take a look at these:

Accessories Eyewear Circular Polarized

http://www.tru3d.com/products/view_p...509&Product=3D

If you are looking for Auto 3D - no glasses - see you in about 10 years.
post #30 of 132
Thanks for the link Lee but I think I will pass. 3D is just not for me.
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