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RCA vs. coax for wiring pre to amp

post #1 of 38
Thread Starter 
I looked all over the place on here the forums and I think I know the answer but I wanted to make sure.

I have a Marantz SR5003 that I am currently using for my HT setup. I'm going to be buying a Emotiva UPA-7 amp and going to use the Marantz as a pre-amp.

I am going to buy Monoprice cables for the wiring between the two. My question though is that should I use the just regular RCA cables or should I use Digital coax?

From Monoprice, the cables look just about identical. I just need your input as either cable is 75 ohm and the are both really low cost. (BTW, I have Monoprice HDMI cables and in wall speaker wires and have been really happy with them).

I believe that I can use any COAX cable in place of an RCA cable for an analog connection correct?
post #2 of 38
RCA is a type of coaxial connector, Coax is a type of cable.
What's your question?
post #3 of 38
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Originally Posted by SimplyBao View Post

I looked all over the place on here the forums and I think I know the answer but I wanted to make sure.

I have a Marantz SR5003 that I am currently using for my HT setup. I'm going to be buying a Emotiva UPA-7 amp and going to use the Marantz as a pre-amp.

I am going to buy Monoprice cables for the wiring between the two. My question though is that should I use the just regular RCA cables or should I use Digital coax?

From Monoprice, the cables look just about identical. I just need your input as either cable is 75 ohm and the are both really low cost. (BTW, I have Monoprice HDMI cables and in wall speaker wires and have been really happy with them).

I believe that I can use any COAX cable in place of an RCA cable for an analog connection correct?

Regular RCA will be fine.

Digital coax is cable that conforms to a 75ohm spec(most regular RCA cables do too) and has RCA connectors, so it will work too.

Get whichever is cheaper.
post #4 of 38
Like duvetyne said.. There's no "vs" here. RCA = the tulip-style connector. Coax = the type of cable between connectors. That said, i would get whichever of the 2 options you're looking at is a shielded cable.
post #5 of 38
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Digital coax is cable that conforms to a 75ohm spec(most regular RCA cables do too) and has RCA connectors, so it will work too.

The cables do, but the connectors generally do not.
post #6 of 38
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Originally Posted by Dennis Erskine View Post

The cables do, but the connectors generally do not.

Well then I guess its a good thing that the OP is only concerned about using them as analog interconnects.
post #7 of 38
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by duvetyne View Post

RCA is a type of coaxial connector, Coax is a type of cable.
What's your question?

Thanks for correcting me. Yep, I understand that RCA is a type of connection. My question is whether I should use regular twisted pair cables with RCA ends or should I use digital coax (75 ohm) cables that are marked SPDIF.

The cables from Mono price cables are both marked as 75 ohm cables.

I'm comparing this: http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

with this:

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2
post #8 of 38
It's for a high impedance analog audio circuit...it doesn't matter.
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post #10 of 38
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Originally Posted by SimplyBao View Post

regular twisted pair cables

Not to confuse you further but "twisted pair" means just that ... two wires twisted about each other ... like door-bell wire or telephone wire.

"Twisted-pair" =/= "Coaxial"

"Twisted-pair" is not usually shielded but some times it is.
post #11 of 38
While an RCA Phono connector does not have a 75 Ohm characteristic impedance it just doesn't matter.
The digital audio signal is a robust low frequency signal. The connector is an almost infinitesimal fraction of a wave length. In most home installations digital audio will work with any handy co-ax cable.
post #12 of 38
Thread Starter 
I think I'm getting more confused by terminology than anything else.

So I'll try to get down to the elementary roots. What I'm asking is when I wire up my Marantz receiver to the emo amp, do I use just the cheapo cables that come with with just about any piece of audio equipment you buy or can/should I use the digital coax cables.

In my terms, the cheapo cables have RCA ends. The digital coax cable has RCA ends. Also, I understand that the cheapo cables usually are stranded copper lines and the digital coax is a single copper conductor.

I also understand that wiring that the cheapo stranded copper wiring usually does not have any "resistance" moniker associated with it whereas the digital coax cable is rated at 75 ohm and uses a single copper conductor.

I've also read up on the subject of expensive cables versus cheaper cables like the mono-price cables. I've been able to blind test "RCA" analog cables before and to me, I could hardly tell the difference between a set of IXOS analog interconnects versus the $10 analog cables sold by best buy. For the purposes of my question, I'm looking to buy monoprice cables.

In the monoprice situation, they are selling 2 types of cables that I'm looking at. One is listed as Stereo RCA cables. In the description, it says that the internal wiring is solid copper conductor rated at 75 ohms.

Whereas, the monoprice digital coax cable says they are 75 ohms and are used in SPDIF applications.

My question really was, is there a difference in the two cables and which one should I use?

I hope that makes sense.
post #13 of 38
There is no such thing as digital coax.

There is just coax that is used to transmit digital signals. That same coax can also transmit analog signals.

"Digital Coax" is purely a marketing term, a nice way to make you pay a premium thinking that its a "special" cable. Monoprice really doesnt mark up that stuff so you need not worry.

These are 100% fine for you

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

I used the same brand when I had my Denon 2809 as a pre amp going to my Emotiva XPA-5
post #14 of 38
In your case the only significant diference is that the "digital coax" is likely better shielded than your cheaper (perhaps) RCA cables. Try what you have; if they work OK, e.g. no hum or radio noise coupled in, you're done!
post #15 of 38
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Originally Posted by penngray View Post

There is no such thing as digital coax.

There is just coax that is used to transmit digital signals. That same coax can also transmit analog signals.

"Digital Coax" is purely a marketing term, a nice way to make you pay a premium thinking that its a "special" cable. Monoprice really doesnt mark up that stuff so you need not worry.

These are 100% fine for you

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

I used the same brand when I had my Denon 2809 as a pre amp going to my Emotiva XPA-5

You may be causing more confusion here. "Digital coax" usually does indicate that the cable is specifically 75ohm, which is important for digital applications and for video. It's the same thing with "video" cables. There is nothing inherently "video" about them, but generally that means that they are 75ohm coax, again something that is important for video. So while saying that a "digital coax" doesn't really exist is kind of technically accurate, it would lead someone to believe that there is nothing at all special required for digital interconnects and this is not true.
post #16 of 38
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Originally Posted by SimplyBao View Post

I think I'm getting more confused by terminology than anything else.

So I'll try to get down to the elementary roots. What I'm asking is when I wire up my Marantz receiver to the emo amp, do I use just the cheapo cables that come with with just about any piece of audio equipment you buy or can/should I use the digital coax cables.

The freebie cables that come in the box will work fine, however their weakness is usually pretty poor shielding. Any basic decent audio cable you might get that's a little better would be better in that sense, and spending a few dollars for peace of mind isn't a bad idea, even for rather short distances. But the gimme cables work totally fine for short runs in most instances.

For analog audio, you basically just want good shielding, and with longer runs you may be more concerned about cable capacitance as well. Analog audio does not need to be a specific impedance, so any RCA cable will do, whether the cable is 75ohm coax, some other kind of coax, or twisted pair.

75ohm impedance is important for higher bandwidth signals like digital audio and video, and so you want to make sure you use 75ohm coax for those applications. Many audio cables are not 75ohm coax and are not appropriate to use as a video or digital audio interconnect. However, 75ohm video and digital audio coax is totally fine for analog audio, and actually an excellent choice.


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In my terms, the cheapo cables have RCA ends. The digital coax cable has RCA ends. Also, I understand that the cheapo cables usually are stranded copper lines and the digital coax is a single copper conductor.

Right, something labeled "digital coax" will be 75ohm solid-copper coax if the labeling is honest (which is usually safe to assume that it is). This is totally fine to use as an analog interconnect. It's going to be a better cable than the freebie RCAs, however it is unlikely to have any kind of an impact in most cases.

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I also understand that wiring that the cheapo stranded copper wiring usually does not have any "resistance" moniker associated with it whereas the digital coax cable is rated at 75 ohm and uses a single copper conductor.

Correct, that's something implied by a cable sold for that application which requires 75ohm impedance. Analog audio does not, so it doesn't really matter at all for analog audio that it is 75ohm. This is why twisted pair RCA cables, which are not 75ohm, are totally fine for analog audio, but are totally inappropriate for digital audio or video.

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I've also read up on the subject of expensive cables versus cheaper cables like the mono-price cables. I've been able to blind test "RCA" analog cables before and to me, I could hardly tell the difference between a set of IXOS analog interconnects versus the $10 analog cables sold by best buy. For the purposes of my question, I'm looking to buy monoprice cables.

In the monoprice situation, they are selling 2 types of cables that I'm looking at. One is listed as Stereo RCA cables. In the description, it says that the internal wiring is solid copper conductor rated at 75 ohms.

Whereas, the monoprice digital coax cable says they are 75 ohms and are used in SPDIF applications.

My question really was, is there a difference in the two cables and which one should I use?

I hope that makes sense.

Between those two, it sounds like both are 75ohm coax and are essentially the same thing in that regards. They would be totally fine for analog audio, digital audio, or video. As far as the minutiea of specifics of the cable, it's hard to say, monoprice doesn't really have the most complete specs. They sell cheap but entirely adequate cabling. I'd assume they're comparably priced, and you'd be fine either way.
post #17 of 38
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Originally Posted by ChrisWiggles View Post

You may be causing more confusion here. "Digital coax" usually does indicate that the cable is specifically 75ohm, which is important for digital applications and for video. It's the same thing with "video" cables. There is nothing inherently "video" about them, but generally that means that they are 75ohm coax, again something that is important for video. So while saying that a "digital coax" doesn't really exist is kind of technically accurate, it would lead someone to believe that there is nothing at all special required for digital interconnects and this is not true.

The confusion is already there, its the same confusion people have with Digital amps.

The think the word "digital" means something more then it does. Labelling cables digital stops people from thinking they can be used for analog connections.

My point was simple and the OP just needs to buy the link I posted.
post #18 of 38
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I understand that the cheapo cables usually are stranded copper lines and the digital coax is a single copper conductor.

No, It doesn't matter if it's stranded or solid, it can be used for digital or analog signals.

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I also understand that wiring that the cheapo stranded copper wiring usually does not have any "resistance" moniker associated with it whereas the digital coax cable is rated at 75 ohm and uses a single copper conductor.

No, All cables have a characteristic impedance, it's not just resistance.
post #19 of 38
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all the replies. I understand now. Some of the terminology can be very confusing. And yes, when something is labeled "digital" it can lead to misunderstanding.

When I hear digital, I think 1's and 0's. HDMI cables work in the digital realm. But when something is labeled "digital coax" I think of a coaxial cable like what you get with cable TV.

I also understand that Coax cable has the capability for higher bandwidth than stranded copper wire.

Going down that road though, the optical cables should, in theory, have the capability for more bandwidth than a coax cable right? Anyway, that's off topic and another thread.

Thank you for all of your responses!!!
post #20 of 38
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But when something is labeled "digital coax" I think of a coaxial cable like what you get with cable TV.

There is no difference.

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I also understand that Coax cable has the capability for higher bandwidth than stranded copper wire.

Comparing coax to a single conductor is pointless.
Weather the wire is stranded or solid has no bearing on the coax construction or its bandwidth. You can buy coax cables with stranded or solid center conductors.

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Going down that road though, the optical cables should, in theory, have the capability for more bandwidth than a coax cable right?

Glass can have a wider bandwidth then coax, but if you're referring to plastic TOSLINK, you're wrong.
post #21 of 38
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Originally Posted by SimplyBao View Post

I also understand that Coax cable has the capability for higher bandwidth than stranded copper wire.

More often than not, 'coax cable' *IS* stranded copper.

Perhaps you are confusing it with 'optical cable'!
post #22 of 38
Thread Starter 
Wow, there is too much to look at when you're talking about cabling. There are so many techniques and I think that perhaps I've over simplified things.

I thought Toslink was a fiber optic cable? I guess I'm wrong...
post #23 of 38
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I thought Toslink was a fiber optic cable?

It is, but it tops out at about 10MHz....much lower then coax.
post #24 of 38
referring to optical transport mediums. .. it is the interface converters/transceivers that determine bandwidth/speeds ... not necessarily the medium (glass/plastic) itself.
post #25 of 38
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Originally Posted by SimplyBao View Post

Wow, there is too much to look at when you're talking about cabling. There are so many techniques and I think that perhaps I've over simplified things.

No...
Others are over complicating things.
post #26 of 38
Some corrected your misconceptions, while others are just upping their post counts
post #27 of 38
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Originally Posted by duvetyne View Post

Some corrected your misconceptions, while others are just upping their post counts

I try to do both
post #28 of 38
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Originally Posted by penngray View Post

I try to do both


...and you do it well.
post #29 of 38
You're the best though. And so technical too!
post #30 of 38
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And so technical too!

How would you know?
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