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Originally Posted by quadrophenia View Post

I'm not knowledgeable to analyze your speaker specs, but maybe someone who knows more about that will chime in. However, my suspicion is that, because your speakers are 8 ohms (which is good) and its a fairly new set (also good), my guess is that you're facing one of three scenarios:
1) Your receiver is defective and isn't driving your speakers at appropriate levels;
2) Your setup is in a very large room, requiring you to intentionally set the receiver at high volumes, in which case you may need a more powerful receiver; or,
3) You like listening at exceptionally high volumes, in which case you may need a more powerful receiver.

I'd caution you in thinking that there is nothing wrong with your receiver -- you could very well have a defective unit. Something just doesn't seem right about the need to turn the receiver all the way up to -3, so it may help to diagnose the problem if you could indicate how big your room is. In my 2200 cu. ft. room, -3 is literally unbearably loud, but I recognize that volume that high may be your preference.

In short, my guess is that the problem you're experiencing is somehow related to the receiver's lack of power and not your speakers. Whether that lack of power is due to a defect with your particular unit or its inability to power at the levels you want/need will require a little more info.

My seating arrangement is about 19 feet from the front surrounds, 17 feet from the center and about 10 feet from the back surrounds (the room itself is 21.5 feet by 32 feet). The volume is slightly louder than my Denon 2307 CI at the same level (-20dB on the 1020-K is louder than -20dB on the Denon 2307 CI). This leads to me to believe that if my speakers are sufficient then I am just listening at incredibly high volumes that the receiver cannot handle. So this issue would not be the case with a more powerful receiver? Has anyone had this occur before?
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Originally Posted by Carter54 View Post

The woofer spec is for your sub I looked up your speakers and there is no way they are larger than 5.25 they are only 4.3 inches tall. Small is right. I am running out of ideas. Did you try turning loudness on? Also what is your source? Could there be a dynamic range control on your source doing this?

My source is the original PS3 - I have tried with DRC turned both on and off on both the PS3 and the 1020-K and the problem exists with DRC turned on or off. Have not tried with the loudness setting turned on. I will try that tonight.
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Originally Posted by Carter54 View Post

Where do you find an 14awg hdmi cable. Even the 100 foot ones at monoprice are 22awg.

repeating myself...

no 14awg hdmi cables exist....
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@twarman...

sure sounds to me like your speakers are clipping...

fwiw, it's rather optimistic to expect those speakers to fill that room...
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

no 14awg hdmi cables exist...

the comment about it needing to be 24awg or above to go through an avr is completely incorrect...

I was just going off what someone suggested in the Denon 3311ci owners thread about my problem that I posted above. They suggested it as a possible solution and I'm trying to see if someone else can try a thicker cable as a solution to video processing issues.
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Hoping someone can help clarify something for me. Have read the full threads on this forum but still confused. I have my ps3 connected to my 1020 via hdmi. When I play a movie from my nas using mp4 format, the ps3 says the mp4 is using 5.1 sound but I only hear sound from the fronts & sub. I don't hear anything from the rears even though the movie should have sound from the rears... Is this a setting on the ps3 that's wrong or on the 1020 ?

Thanks in advance...
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Originally Posted by skooba View Post

I was just going off what someone suggested in the Denon 3311ci owners thread about my problem that I posted above. They suggested it as a possible solution and I'm trying to see if someone else can try a thicker cable as a solution to video processing issues.

a larger gauge cable will generally help if you are getting dropouts, sparklies, etc.

i didn't read all of the posts... how long is your run?
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post


repeating myself...

no 14awg hdmi cables exist....

That is what I thought
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^^^

yea, i think you read my first post as having a comma inbetween the "no" and the rest of the statement...

off the top of my head, a 14 awg hdmi cable (if one existed) would be about 2 inches in diameter (at least) and weigh a ton... there's not a port in existence that would hang onto that bad boy...
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^

yea, i think you read my first post as having a comma inbetween the "no" and the rest of the statement...

off the top of my head, a 14 awg hdmi cable would be about 2 inches in diameter (at least) and weigh a ton... there's not a port in existence that would hang onto that bad boy...

The coma was there I swear
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

a larger gauge cable will generally help if you are getting dropouts, sparklies, etc.

i didn't read all of the posts... how long is your run?

the cables were 10ft each, and i tried with 6ft cables also. i think i had a defective receiver, but I'm hesitant to go through the process again with another receiver, but I would really like to get a 3D capable AVR.
post #1122 of 4369
at that length (certainly at 6 feet), just about any hdmi cable should do the job... i've (and many many others) used cheapo monoprice cables for years with success for relatively short runs...

hate to say it, but it sounds like you may have a bad hdmi board in your avr...

when you connect your source directly to your display, do you have the same issues?
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

at that length (certainly at 6 feet), just about any hdmi cable should do the job... i've (and many many others) used cheapo monoprice cables for years with success for relatively short runs...

hate to say it, but it sounds like you may have a bad hdmi board in your avr...

when you connect your source directly to your display, do you have the same issues?

no everything is normal when I run directly to the TV. When I turned off the video processing on the receiver, it came through just fine, but turning it on produced the banding.

Also, when I tried playing call of duty, I noticed these green pixels that would sort of wave across the right side of the screen. This happened with both video processing on and off.

Here's a pic of the issue.


But, this was on a different receiver, and I've been trying to just make sure that other receivers don't have this issue and also try to rule out cable issues.

I'm deciding between the Onkyo 608, pio 1020, denon 1911, yamaha 667. most likely not the onkyo because it's having various issues with directv and with 3d stuttering. I'm curious to find out the flaws of the pio.
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Originally Posted by skooba View Post

no everything is normal when I run directly to the TV. When I turned off the video processing on the receiver, it came through just fine, but turning it on produced the banding.

Also, when I tried playing call of duty, I noticed these green pixels that would sort of wave across the right side of the screen. This happened with both video processing on and off.

Here's a pic of the issue.


But, this was on a different receiver, and I've been trying to just make sure that other receivers don't have this issue and also try to rule out cable issues.

I'm deciding between the Onkyo 608, pio 1020, denon 1911, yamaha 667. most likely not the onkyo because it's having various issues with directv and with 3d stuttering. I'm curious to find out the flaws of the pio.

It looks almost like artifacting I am wondering if both your tv and your receiver are upscaling the signal? What is you tv set to dot by dot? Can changing your TV view mode affect it?
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Originally Posted by Carter54 View Post

It looks almost like artifacting I am wondering if both your tv and your receiver are upscaling the signal? What is you tv set to dot by dot? Can changing your TV view mode affect it?

I'm not sure what you mean by the tv dot by dot. I put the tv in game mode and turned the processing off on the denon, still didnt get rid of it. If I run the PS3 directly to the tv it doesn't do it. I actually returned the Denon (3311ci) and am back to using my old Onkyo 607. It doesn't have any issues with video aside from the fact that it can't pass a 3D signal.
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

@twarman...

sure sounds to me like your speakers are clipping...

fwiw, it's rather optimistic to expect those speakers to fill that room...

Gotta, thanks. Is this a receiver or speakers issue? If I purchased a more powerful receiver would my speakers handle intense battle scenes without reducing the volume of gunfire, shouting and explosions in the -3 dB range? If it helps, this problem does not occur at -9dB on my current setup with the Canton speakers and the 1020-K. The problem starts occuring at about -8dB. Also, although the room is large I included the distance from the speakers because the home theater does not take up that entire room. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by twarman17 View Post

My seating arrangement is about 19 feet from the front surrounds, 17 feet from the center and about 10 feet from the back surrounds (the room itself is 21.5 feet by 32 feet). The volume is slightly louder than my Denon 2307 CI at the same level (-20dB on the 1020-K is louder than -20dB on the Denon 2307 CI). This leads to me to believe that if my speakers are sufficient then I am just listening at incredibly high volumes that the receiver cannot handle. So this issue would not be the case with a more powerful receiver? Has anyone had this occur before?

That is a huge room I am wondering if the MCACC may have messed you up did you play with the X-curve at all for trebble response? You may be able to adjust that and get some of you high mids to come through at higher volumes.
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Originally Posted by Carter54 View Post

That is a huge room I am wondering if the MCACC may have messed you up did you play with the X-curve at all for trebble response? You may be able to adjust that and get some of you high mids to come through at higher volumes.

I did not adjust the X-curve. What setting would I adjust to do that in the MCACC menu? The room is large and I have the the entertainment center on one side taking up about half the room. Not extending across the entire area.
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@twarman....

speakers... it sounds like to me that your speakers are clipping on peaks...

edit:

- x-curve adjustment is unlikely to help... but you can try it, it's free to try...
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@skooba...

to the best of my knowledge, the 1020 does not molest the hdmi signal, it will only pass it through...

have you tried asking in a denon thread about your issue? one would think that if this was a common problem with the avr in question, there would be MANY MANY posts about it...
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Originally Posted by Carter54 View Post

Where do you find an 14awg hdmi cable. Even the 100 foot ones at monoprice are 22awg.

each individual wire in the cable bundle may be 22awg, but the cable it self is about 14 or awg, about the size of a AC cord for a pc.. or maybe even you speaker wire..
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

@twarman....

speakers... it sounds like to me that your speakers are clipping on peaks...

edit:

- x-curve adjustment is unlikely to help... but you can try it, it's free to try...

I agree that you may have reached the limits of your speakers. If I ever get the house alone I will play some cod on my setup and see if I have issues above -9.
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Originally Posted by artmansr View Post

each individual wire in the cable bundle may be 22awg, but the cable it self is about 14 or awg, about the size of a AC cord for a pc.. or maybe even you speaker wire..

incorrect again...
post #1134 of 4369
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

@skooba...

to the best of my knowledge, the 1020 does not molest the hdmi signal, it will only pass it through...

have you tried asking in a denon thread about your issue? one would think that if this was a common problem with the avr in question, there would be MANY MANY posts about it...

It can scale it to 1080p, but does not molest it best i can tell.
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

incorrect again...

thanks for your point of view! Now let's get back to the topic.
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This is the HDMI cable that i'm currently using. whatever gauge it maybe!

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/AudioQue...=1218123221535
post #1136 of 4369
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Originally Posted by Carter54 View Post

I agree that you may have reached the limits of your speakers. If I ever get the house alone I will play some cod on my setup and see if I have issues above -9.

Great, thanks and let me know.
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post


how far of a stretch are you adding with the second hdmi cable?

snow or sprinkles is almost always indicative of an hdmi cable problems

I had to return 1020 due to somewhat similar looking problem. White noise (and also constant audio drop outs playing CD)... the surprising part was that it only affected ONE hdmi port - the dedicated "BD" port. Plugging same input cable into any other HDMI port fixed it.
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Originally Posted by owlish View Post

I had to return 1020 due to somewhat similar looking problem. White noise (and also constant audio drop outs playing CD)... the surprising part was that it only affected ONE hdmi port - the dedicated "BD" port. Plugging same input cable into any other HDMI port fixed it.

i will try that. thanks!
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Most of the discs I get from Netflix that have DTSHD or Dolby true only show as DTS on the receiver when I play them back. I did get one or two discs to show as DTSHD, but the majority go to dts, I don't think I've seen any dolby thd. Anyone had this problem?

The player is a Panasonic bdp60 and seemed to work fine on my Yamaha.
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Originally Posted by Erickson00 View Post

I read this thread from Page 1...a lot of talk about Zone 2 and B Speakers, but my problem persists. The information here suggests that I can't get anything but iPod or tuner through my B Speakers...okay...but the problem is, the B Speakers aren't working with the tuner or the iPod. Nothing. And my AVR doesn't have Zone 2, it just has B speakers that must play the same content as the A speakers. So I am wondering if there is some setting somewhere i have wrong that needs to be adjusted so when I have a party, i can hook up my iPod and have it play inside and also on my deck through the outdoor speaker i bought. This is crazy...it worked prior to putting the speakers on the wall. One the speakers were mounted...no sound. All wiring is correct.

Did you ever get this resolved. I cannot get any sound from an analog source whether I have them set up as Zone2 or B speakers. I can hear the analog source thru the main speakers.
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