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post #391 of 4530
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Originally Posted by kt10r View Post

Do any of you know if you can change eq values while listening to music or tv with the 1020 or 1120? I know you cant on my 1018 and i was hoping with the new osd you might be able to now. When i say change values i mean like adjust 16k +/- db's while hearing what youre changing. Thanks

Anybody know? Please. Thanks again
post #392 of 4530
After more testing it seems that this unit will not send anything to speaker B unless it is one of the specific inputs (ipod, tuner, etc.). I tested an analog connection plugged into the CD input and got no sound from Speaker B. I did, surprisingly, get sound with a Zone 2 setup.

I'm having a hard time getting my head around this. Why would there be such a limitation on a Speaker B setup?

One feature I would like to see in the iPhone app is the ability to control my iPod. When I'm sitting outside, it's nice to be able to turn the volume up/down. iPod control would be nice too.
post #393 of 4530
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Originally Posted by kt10r View Post

Do any of you know if you can change eq values while listening to music or tv with the 1020 or 1120? I know you cant on my 1018 and i was hoping with the new osd you might be able to now. When i say change values i mean like adjust 16k +/- db's while hearing what youre changing. Thanks

Yes you can but it also plays the static sound so it is a bit jumbled.
post #394 of 4530
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Originally Posted by Petrus View Post

You need to make sure the Audio on your DVR/cable box is set to HDMI or Dolby. Sounds like you are only getting 2 channel output from your box.

After I do the reset....if that does not work, I'll take the media player to my other setup and try it. I know surround works there since that is the movie watching room!
post #395 of 4530
What is the preferred way of connecting a Blu ray player? Right now I'm trying with no luck connecting my Panasonic BD65 player's HDMI directly to the TV and running a toslink cable to the receiver. I get picture and sound but its stereo not any of the new HD codecs. Should I just run the HDMI out from the Panny to the receiver then from the receiver to the TV? Thanks for any help.
post #396 of 4530
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Originally Posted by NETPCTECH View Post

Have you verified the volume levels of the rear channels. Also, when you test out movies make sure there is a lot of surround sound activity and your ear is up against the speaker. When I first purchased a surround sound receiver, I did not realize that the surround channels are only active when there is audio intended for them and not during movie dialogue for example.

Lastly, try turning of the MCACC to see if it has incorrectly setup your rear channel speakers.

"Have you verified the volume levels "....how do you do this other than look at the MCACC data and see that the numbers are about the same as the front (hard to word that) or is that what you mean?

"try turning of the MCACC to see if it has incorrectly setup your rear channel speakers"....how do you turn it off.....I thought it was just a setup routine to calibrate the unit and once it's done...it's off???

Thanks!!
post #397 of 4530
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Originally Posted by andrew jc View Post

What is the preferred way of connecting a Blu ray player? Right now I’m trying with no luck connecting my Panasonic BD65 player’s HDMI directly to the TV and running a toslink cable to the receiver. I get picture and sound but its stereo not any of the new HD codecs. Should I just run the HDMI out from the Panny to the receiver then from the receiver to the TV? Thanks for any help.

To get HD audio it has to be sent using HDMI. Toslink doesn't support it. Your only options I can think of are connecting BD to receiver and receiver to TV all using HDMI or BD to receiver using HDMI and BD to TV using Component.
post #398 of 4530
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Originally Posted by MitsuHelp View Post

"Have you verified the volume levels "....how do you do this other than look at the MCACC data and see that the numbers are about the same as the front (hard to word that) or is that what you mean?

"try turning of the MCACC to see if it has incorrectly setup your rear channel speakers"....how do you turn it off.....I thought it was just a setup routine to calibrate the unit and once it's done...it's off???

Thanks!!

The problem you have is not in the speakers, or MCACC or volume.. the signal from the source is either not being decoded into surround, perhaps has no surround to decode, or is not set for the right stream that the AVR will recognise and decode.

I would also suggest you try different sources.
post #399 of 4530
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Originally Posted by andrew jc View Post

What is the preferred way of connecting a Blu ray player? Right now I'm trying with no luck connecting my Panasonic BD65 player's HDMI directly to the TV and running a toslink cable to the receiver. I get picture and sound but its stereo not any of the new HD codecs. Should I just run the HDMI out from the Panny to the receiver then from the receiver to the TV? Thanks for any help.

As tmiddleton stated, TOSLINK does not support the new HD codecs. Why would you use a TOSLINK cable..??
post #400 of 4530
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As tmiddleton stated, TOSLINK does not support the new HD codecs. Why would you use a TOSLINK cable..??

I was trying to get the best picture by taking the receiver out of the equation. I have my cable TV box wired with HDMI going from the box directly to the receiver with a toslink cable to the receiver. In the past I did the same thing with my DVD player; component directly to the TV and toslink to the receiver. So it looks like my only choice is HDMI, glad I bought an extra cable from BJC
post #401 of 4530
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Originally Posted by andrew jc View Post

I was trying to get the best picture by taking the receiver out of the equation. I have my cable TV box wired with HDMI going from the box directly to the receiver with a toslink cable to the receiver. In the past I did the same thing with my DVD player; component directly to the TV and toslink to the receiver. So it looks like my only choice is HDMI, glad I bought an extra cable from BJC

I think if you set the AVR to pass thru the video, you'll not experience any difference in PQ. I let my projector do the upscaling as it's REON chip is better than what's found in most AVR's... I did the same thing with my old Harmon Kardon unit that had no HDMI.. however, my main reason to upgrade was to get the new codecs.
post #402 of 4530
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

As tmiddleton stated, TOSLINK does not support the new HD codecs. Why would you use a TOSLINK cable..??


EDIT: Thanks for helping so hard! I did the same thing earlier....I think you looked at someone elses post!
I don't believe that I ever said TOSLINK....I said Coxial....that's all I have other than TOSLINK or HDMI but my set only has DVI until I find her replacement
post #403 of 4530
I'm not complaining but I just got a new TV, Blu ray player, receiver, and sub amp repaired. Setting it all up has been more work than I thought. I can't wait to get it all dialed in!
post #404 of 4530
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Originally Posted by MitsuHelp View Post

I don't believe that I ever said TOSLINK....I said Coxial....that's all I have other than TOSLINK or HDMI but my set only has DVI until I find her replacement

My post was in regard to tmiddleton
post #405 of 4530
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Originally Posted by andrew jc View Post

I'm not complaining but I just got a new TV, Blu ray player, receiver, and sub amp repaired. Setting it all up has been more work than I thought. I can't wait to get it all dialed in!

I wouldn't worry too much about loss of picture quality. The receiver shouldn't touch it since it should already be at 1080P from your BD player.
post #406 of 4530
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

My post was in regard to tmiddleton

Wow....Multitasking fail!
post #407 of 4530
Just to let all that tried to help.....sounded like the PIO was injured..........well I revived her/me.after the reset.I now have rear surround sound.must have done something freaky while trying to set this up. (virgin to these complicated things!)

Even when the receiver showed all speakers....I guess something was wrong.

No one ever confirmed how to verify the levels....but it's all good now
post #408 of 4530
Thread Starter 
Well, after a great deal of tweaking and exploring I think I can say with good certainty that the sound from my previous Denon AVR-1909 was better in every way. The way I see the comparison after spending time with both is:

Positive:
  • On-screen GUI on Pioneer infinitely better than Denon
  • MCACC setup seems to have far more options and adjustability than Audyssey on Denon
  • Runs far cooler than the Denon
  • More "bells and whistles" features (like HDMI v1.4) than Denon
  • Lots of modes to choose from and easily displayed on front of unit

Negative
  • My Definitive speakers don't have the "life" or "meat" they had with the Denon, regardless what settings and adjustments I make. (this kills me)
  • The iPod/iPhone GUI is actually kind of sad. Super tiny cover art and the whole thing takes up about 30% of the TV screen.
  • iPod/iPhone controls are LAGGY beyond belief. Never did use the Denon dock so no clue if this is any better/worse.
  • Although MCACC looks cooler and has more options, it seems like Audyssey does a far better job overall. All my results with MCACC seem "soft".
  • Crossover freq on Pioneer goes from 80Hz, 100Hz, 150Hz and only has a single setting for all speakers. With my ProCenter and ProMonitor speakers, this is awful as the ProCenter 2000 is far more capable than the surrounds. Big advantage for Denon as I had control over crossover for each channel with 5Hz increments.
  • iPhone app looks cool. Well, that's about it really. I guess if I ever lose my remotes I can still change the volume. Seems like someone at Pioneer was just dying to find a use for the iPhone's accelerometer.
  • iPhone cable (white cable for black AVR no less) being connected on front of AVR makes it look cluttered. No easy way to hide this when using the iPhone with AVR.
  • Both Pioneer and Denon remotes are awful. There is a special place in hell reserved for the designers of these.

I'll hold on to the Pioneer for now, but will definitely sell the unit and never touch the non-Elite models again. Next time, I'll opt for another Denon or possibly try an HK or Onkyo.

Was really excited about this receiver. Really bummed with how things turned out.

Anyone else in the same boat?
post #409 of 4530
Pelly, your post has really discouraged me... I'm waiting for my house to build but bought my receiver a week ago... I think i'll sell it now and wait for something else
post #410 of 4530
Thread Starter 
Please wait and see what a few other owners have to say. Just like cars and women, what works for 9 out of 10 doesn't always work for that last person.

Sorry to be a buzzkill! LOL
post #411 of 4530
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Originally Posted by Pelly_NV View Post

Please wait and see what a few other owners have to say. Just like cars and women, what works for 9 out of 10 doesn't always work for that last person.

Sorry to be a buzzkill! LOL

haha we'll see! i just don't have a good feeling about the receiver from what i've read so far, and i've read this whole thread lol
post #412 of 4530
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Originally Posted by Pelly_NV View Post

Anyone else in the same boat?

I'm toying with the idea of trying to return it and wait for the 1120 although I'm not sure how much difference the extra power will make.
post #413 of 4530
Idk about everyone else, but I love it so far.

See as I spent just around $530 total for this receiver, and I'm going from a 7 year old Sherwood receiver that didn't even have composite plugs; this seems pretty sweet.

I'm sure theres plenty of likes or dislikes.

Ill never use the iphone hookup. Iphones are horrible phones, so I'm assuming trying to run my receiver off of one would be just as bad.

I love the internet radio hook up.

So far the zone 1 2 thing is a little odd to hook up, but having a speaker a and b switch is sweet for my outside setup.

I'm pissed off that my PS3 is the thing holding me back from seeing the TrueHD on my receiver ha so i guess having it say PCM, but really its putting out TrueHD, isn't all that bad. Thats a Sony screw up more then anything.

My friend has the pioneer 1019k and I for one think the 1020k sounds better. I'm not looking to have some crazy sound set up. I have it in my garage so i can watch movies and entertain my buddies. Watch UFC and be guys ya know.

If I had just purchased a newer receiver last year or something, I couldn't see a warrant to buy one, even this one. But if your buying new receivers every year, give me your phone number, I need a new car lol

I would say if you haven't had a newer receiver in years or close to it, get this one. If your gonna nitpick about small details, then save up the money and go for an Elite. But for around 500, its a good buy.

And remember guys, 3D's the way of the future! (not so much lol)
post #414 of 4530
I hate to say even after people were asking for me to check my source when I was having the loss of sound out of my rear surround speakers, it does appear that it may have been the source.

Last night after "resetting" my receiver then setting it back up and testing, the surround did work....not a good test as I didn't use the original 2 movies that had no surround. I seems that the 2 movies that did not have surround sound were AC3 audio files. Even though the 1020 showed the speaker display on the panel that made me ASSume that sound should be there.

The one movie that I did test that did work was DTS audio so now it looks like there is an issue with my media player or the 1020.....

Since I was getting "digital" and "dolby" on the 1020 I thinking that the 1020 can handle AC3....

So my question after all of this wind, CAN the 1020 handle AC3 audio?

Thanks again to all for the previous help and sorry that I ASSumed the source was good since the panel showed all of the speakers and digital.
post #415 of 4530
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Originally Posted by andrew jc View Post

What is the preferred way of connecting a Blu ray player? Right now I'm trying with no luck connecting my Panasonic BD65 player's HDMI directly to the TV and running a toslink cable to the receiver. I get picture and sound but its stereo not any of the new HD codecs. Should I just run the HDMI out from the Panny to the receiver then from the receiver to the TV? Thanks for any help.

yes. there's no reason to do it any other way...

spdif (toslink and coax) will not carry the hd codecs...
post #416 of 4530
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Originally Posted by MitsuHelp View Post

So my question after all of this wind, CAN the 1020 handle AC3 audio?

Yes, because AC3 is DD 5.1. However, I don't whether the 1020 would read a file containing just AC3 audio and no video -- it might not know about that file format, since it isn't common. And just because an audio source provides 6 channels, that doesn't mean there is necessarily sound on each of the 6 channels. It is possible to have a DD 5.1 source with all except the left and right channels empty.
post #417 of 4530
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Originally Posted by GregLee View Post

Yes, because AC3 is DD 5.1. However, I don't whether the 1020 would read a file containing just AC3 audio and no video -- it might not know about that file format, since it isn't common. And just because an audio source provides 6 channels, that doesn't mean there is necessarily sound on each of the 6 channels. It is possible to have a DD 5.1 source with all except the left and right channels empty.

Thanks....beginning to lean towards this being an issue with the media player.

I found this:
"SPDIF does not have enough bandwidth to carry a full 5.1 PCM signal, so the audio track will be downgraded to 2 channels only. This is generally an undesirable result.
HDMI - A PCM track can be transmitted in full quality over any version of HDMI and delivered to the receiver for D-to-A conversion and amplification."

Is that statement correct?

Someone suggested that I connect the HDMI from the media player to the 1020 (just to pass the audio only) and that would take care of the AC3 issue with no surround backs....
post #418 of 4530
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Originally Posted by MitsuHelp View Post

I found this:
"SPDIF does not have enough bandwidth to carry a full 5.1 PCM signal, so the audio track will be downgraded to 2 channels only. This is generally an undesirable result.
HDMI - A PCM track can be transmitted in full quality over any version of HDMI and delivered to the receiver for D-to-A conversion and amplification."

Is that statement correct?

The statement is correct.. I thought all along the issue was with your source.. It's so rare these days for an AVR to be defective just in that one area..
post #419 of 4530
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

The statement is correct.. I thought all along the issue was with your source.. It's so rare these days for an AVR to be defective just in that one area..

Ok..Ok....

It just didn't make sense since the panel showed all speakers....will test with HDMI and see what happens!

BTW.....I love this receiver!
post #420 of 4530
Sorry, friends.. I returned my 1020. After some use, I found it to be a bit harsh on the top end and the crossover points for sub usage were very limiting IMO. Demoed the Onkyo 608 at the same time, hands down it won.
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