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post #3961 of 4530
I'm with you on that, gregoryperkins. I had bookshelf fronts (and surrounds) and felt like I was missing something. I wanted a specific model of floorstanding speakers but couldn't get them at interesting prices in Canada. I finally decided to buy a good subwoofer instead. The new sub is amazing; but at Boxing Day I got an incredible deal on towers even better than I wanted. So I spent lots of money this year -- well much more than I planned -- but the floorstanding speakers really made the most difference.

That being said, some people don't mind much about sound quality, and for them looks may be more important. My girlfriend is ok with my setup (as long as it's my money) but she would never have spent that kind of money on a home theater setup. But she listens to way more music than I do. She's quite happy with her little Logitech iPod docking station. She does acknowledge the quality of the sound in the home theater so it's not like she's not perceiving it. She just doesn't care as much as me, and that's ok. I guess I'm lucky our furniture is all black ash in color

BTW I was not under the impression that Bose make bad products. I can't comment beyond that (my impressions) but the biggest peeve I have would be non-standard connectivity of the Jewels and perhaps excessive price. But I think nobody lurking on AVSForum can really throw the first stone in terms of judging what others paid for their setup.
post #3962 of 4530
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

iControlAV2 won't work with the 1020; you have to use iControlAV.

(That being said you're not missing *that* much. BTW if anyone is interested in writing their own control apps, the 1020 uses the same network protocol as other Pioneer receivers with "automation integration" features. The network protocol specs are openly available -- PM me if anybody wants them. The only problem with the 1020 is that it cannot wake-on-LAN / aka network standby.)



Are you speaking about Monitor Audios? Yeah they're kind of upscale I don't even know how they sound; a colleague got a set of those, that's all. When you select one of their speakers, you can click on the "specification and finishes" tab. Most of them are available in many finishes and some series are available in white.

That being said the Bose Acoustimass 10 series IV 5.1 set is $1000 at BestBuy. That's not particularly cheap either. If you go with their Lifestyle V35 5.1 system, that's 3300$. Oh hey, that's what you were talking about isn't it :P. (Those include the receiver/player though).

The color requirement is hard to fulfill. The 1020 will stay black though

Thank you for the update. I figured it was something that simple.
post #3963 of 4530
Not necessarily bad, but certainly overpriced for what you get.
post #3964 of 4530
About ready to order a new receiver to replace an old one, how does this unit do with upscaling? I was also looking at the Onkyo 609. I have had some higher end Elites in the past in my main system, just wondering if trickle down technology has graced this unit.

Thanks....
post #3965 of 4530
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Originally Posted by Garman View Post

About ready to order a new receiver to replace an old one, how does this unit do with upscaling? I was also looking at the Onkyo 609. I have had some higher end Elites in the past in my main system, just wondering if trickle down technology has graced this unit.

Thanks....

Honestly... not that good. I've not tested upscaling extensively as my only SD-quality analog source is a Wii. It works, but on some patterns (e.g. in the main Wii menu) I see moving artifacts.

My DVR outputs 1080i which is not upscalable by the 1020. However, on the PURE setting (which is supposed not to apply any upscaling) the image makes 1-pixel jumps at irregular intervals, which is very annoying. I found that setting the Pioneer upscaler output to 1080i fixes this particular problem. Not sure why though.

If upscaling analog SD sources is very important to you, I'd look into a model with a higher-end upscaler. However, this is less and less important nowadays. That being said, not sure if the upscaler in the new 1021 is the same as the one in the 1020.
post #3966 of 4530
It doesn't really matter since it's a discontinued 2010 model.
post #3967 of 4530
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post


The color requirement is hard to fulfill. The 1020 will stay black though

Here's your white speakers, at least they might be worth it!

http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/14/b...v1d-subwoofer/
post #3968 of 4530
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Originally Posted by gilesjp View Post

I have no issues with IcontrolAV2 working on both my IPad2 and my android G2 phone.

I find iControlAV (version 3.1.0) to be pretty flakey and think has been abandon. It'll work for a while then I'll exit the app to use another app like DIRECTV then go back to iControlAV and suddenly it can't find my 1020. Looks like it has not updated in almost 2 years.

Not to be confused with iControlAV2 (version 1.2.0) which does NOT work with the 1020. iControlAV2 looks like it hasn't been updated in almost a year.
post #3969 of 4530
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Originally Posted by Intimdtr77 View Post

I downloaded the icontrolAV2 app to give it a try but when I try running it it gives me a.network error. Any recommendations?

Read the app description is only compatible with 1021, etc. NOT 1020. Try iControlAV instead it may or may not work reliably but it is supposed to be for the 1020. iControlAV2 is NOT.
post #3970 of 4530
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Originally Posted by looter View Post

I find iControlAV (version 3.1.0) to be pretty flakey and think has been abandon. It'll work for a while then I'll exit the app to use another app like DIRECTV then go back to iControlAV and suddenly it can't find my 1020. Looks like it has not updated in almost 2 years.

On top of being flaky, the features are limited. Ok you can turn your receiver off. But not on. Volume works well, I guess it's the main use for iControlAV. You can switch sources too, and surround modes if I remember. But I think the actual remote is even better for that. You cannot send any content through the app. Worse, while you can open a browser to configure the net radio presets, you cannot do that in the app, which would have been helpful.

On top of those limited features, you get the ability to change the balance of your speaker volumes, adjust dialog enhancement, and bass eq, ... by tilting the phone of all things. What a gimmick...

I have a pet project -- will probably never be complete, but we never know. I'm trying to use the network spec to build a server software that will reside on my HTPC. This server will present a web interface to the LAN, and control the receiver through the network. The goal would then be to present an interface that is actually useful and available on many platforms. One thing I'd like is to see at a glance what is the status of the receiver (source, surround mode currently active, phase correction, sound retriever, etc.). Changing the surround mode to "extended stereo" with the receiver remote, for example, or enabling/disabling sound retriever, is really tiresome. I think it's possible to do it directly using the network protocol. Heck, using the network you can set the volume to a predetermined level, so it would be possible to create macros such as "switch source to net radio; set volume to -40dB", which would take care of volume disparities between various sources.

Not sure if iControlAV2 on the 1021 is much more helpful.

In comparison, I now have an HTPC running XBMC, and the various remote control apps for that are much more useful: you can adjust content, playlist, volume, etc.
post #3971 of 4530
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

Honestly... not that good.

My DVR outputs 1080i which is not upscalable by the 1020.

I find the upscaling quite good. Also, I am using the 1020 to do the deinterlacing of my DVR to 1080p and it works VERY well! If you are saying the 1020 can't convert 1080i to 1080p that is simply wrong.
post #3972 of 4530
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Originally Posted by iontyre View Post

I find the upscaling quite good. Also, I am using the 1020 to do the deinterlacing of my DVR to 1080p and it works VERY well! If you are saying the 1020 can't convert 1080i to 1080p that is simply wrong.

My apologies, you're absolutely right on all counts.

First, 1080i can indeed be upscaled to 1080p. Maybe surprisingly, it's 720i that cannot be dealt with. It's a rather odd format that was notably used in the first generation of Xbox 360s.

Second, my problem with 1080i is not upscaling per se since I was using PURE mode, which is supposed to apply video processing but without upscaling. Maybe I should just try 1080p instead of 1080i output.

Finally, I don't have any comparison point for the 480p analog upconversion, so maybe the artifacts I see are unavoidable and caused by the Wii's analog output.

That being said... anybody noticed the 1-pixel image jumps I was talking about? That happens using a ScientificAtlanta (now Cisco) DVR outputing 1080i on HDMI with the 1020 set on PURE v. conv. setting. I did not test if the jump is present directly at the DVR output; but since it goes away when setting v. conv. to 1080i I'd say it's introduced in the receiver.
post #3973 of 4530
^^^

not too surprising, as 720i isn't a valid resolution...
post #3974 of 4530
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^

not too surprising, as 720i isn't a valid resolution...

Yeah that's right. But somebody a few months ago in this thread had a problem with his xbox 360. It outputted a HD resolution that could not be dealt with using the 1020. I'm pretty sure it was displaying every other line in 720 lines analog video, so that appeared as 720i in the xbox menu. Can't find any source for that. Anyway it's understandable that the 1020 could not upscale this.
post #3975 of 4530
I am having a strange problem with my Pioneer VSX-1020-K. It has gotten into some setting state where, no matter what I turn the volume down to, it will automatically turn the volume all the way up to +12.0. I must have pressed something wrong, but I can't figure out what state it is in or how to get out of it. I'm poring over my manual now, and I have tried googling for the problem but to no avail. Any suggestions?


EDIT--I have just unplugged and then re-plugged in the unit and that has resolved the problem. I would still like to know what possible setting might have put it into this state!
post #3976 of 4530
I have a 1020K receiver that I'm trying to get working with an old set of Bose Acoustimass 10 speakers (yes I plan to replace them at some point, just cant do it right now). I have been all over the forum but cannot get decent sound out of this setup. They sound very blah....very little bass, cubes are not very crisp.

Any guidance would be greatly appreciated! The Bose sounded very decent when hooked up to my Harmon. I have tried almost every combination but currently they are set as:
front....large
center...large
surround...large
SW.....off

back surround is used for zone 2

thanks!
post #3977 of 4530
From your manual:
Only the Acoustimass module connects to your receiver. The small speakers all connect directly to the Acoustimass module.
WARNING: Connecting the small speakers to a receiver can result in damage to your system and possible electric shock.
So it looks like you should hook up the module to the receiver, just stereo left and right, then run the speakers to the module. I would then set the receiver to fronts only, large. That should send the full frequency range to the module, which will then split it up.
Hopefully.
post #3978 of 4530
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Originally Posted by LastButNotLeast View Post

From your manual:
Only the Acoustimass module connects to your receiver. The small speakers all connect directly to the Acoustimass module.
WARNING: Connecting the small speakers to a receiver can result in damage to your system and possible electric shock.
So it looks like you should hook up the module to the receiver, just stereo left and right, then run the speakers to the module. I would then set the receiver to fronts only, large. That should send the full frequency range to the module, which will then split it up.
Hopefully.

yes...That is what I did...fronts and center channels connect to Bose bass module and cubes connect to bass module, on recvr all speakers set to large, SW off, no surround speakers are hooked to the Bose module.
post #3979 of 4530
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Originally Posted by Agent Zero View Post

EDIT--I have just unplugged and then re-plugged in the unit and that has resolved the problem. I would still like to know what possible setting might have put it into this state!

That is most peculiar. No, scratch that, it's definitely weird
If that happens again, try changing the volume using the iControlAV iOS app if possible. I wonder if that would have worked.
post #3980 of 4530
Ever since I installed my new BDP (Pioneer BDP-140), my receiver has been shutting off and then turning right back on. This will happen while watching a movie or watch TV via our HDMI cable box. It seems to be not have a pattern as last night while watching a movie it was fine, however today while watching a movie and TV it shut off 4 times in an span of 3 or so hours.

I've tried different outlets on our smart power bar as well as directly from the wall. What could be the problem?
post #3981 of 4530
I recently hooked my Wii up to my 1020 and am having an odd issue: when I select the DVD input which the Wii is connected to (see below) I automatically hear the audio from the Wii but as soon as the video pops up on the TV for about a split second, the receiver switches the receiver to the next input which is BD. I have no idea why this is happening or why I can't keep the Wii selection to stick.

The following set up info has been gathered in the 5-8 seconds I have before the receiver automatically changes back to the BD input.

- Digital In: off
- HDMI Input: ---
- Component In: In-1
- Signal Select Analog

Cables:
- I have it set up with component samples into comp1 in to the 1020
- I have the audio cables going into the DVD rca jacket inputs into the 1020
- HDMI out to my Mitsubishi DLP

Could it be a back HDMI cable? The receiver works well with my PS3 and Cox HD STB but those are both HDMI inputs.

Any help would be much appreciated.
post #3982 of 4530
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Originally Posted by black flag View Post

I recently hooked my Wii up to my 1020 and am having an odd issue: when I select the DVD input which the Wii is connected to (see below) I automatically hear the audio from the Wii but as soon as the video pops up on the TV for about a split second, the receiver switches the receiver to the next input which is BD. I have no idea why this is happening or why I can't keep the Wii selection to stick.

Hi black flag, try turning receiver HDMI Control to "off" (under HDMI Setup menu). Also check and set PS3 HDMI Control to "off" (under System Settings) as well.
post #3983 of 4530
Problem is in BDP-140 + VSX-1020. They don't like each other.
Check in "Blu-ray Players" thread "Pioneer Blu-ray players 2011 - BDP-140/BDP-440/BDP-LX55/BDP-53FD".
Everybody has this problem.
post #3984 of 4530
I was going to say, use component out until they get a firmware fix for the bd player, but it looks like there isn't any!
post #3985 of 4530
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Originally Posted by JChin View Post

Hi black flag, try turning receiver HDMI Control to "off" (under HDMI Setup menu). Also check and set PS3 HDMI Control to "off" (under System Settings) as well.

That did the trick. Thanks JChin!
post #3986 of 4530
I have been having a recurring problem with my 1020. When watching TV from my FiOS box sometimes the volume will turn up very loud on the receiver. I may have it set at -30 or so to start but at a moments notice the volume will crank up very loud. I don't see the db change at all on the unit itself, just the sound turns up. If I hit the volume decrease button once it resets the volume to what I was listening to it at originally. Usually I see this happen in a commercial or when it changes to a commercial. Any ideas?

Second question, can I change the set number the volume increases and decreases by? It is set at 0.5 db at a shot. I wouldn't mind having it set at an even 1.0.
post #3987 of 4530
I'm thinking of adding an AppleTV2 to my 1020. Does anyone have any tips or advice? I mainly want it for AirPlay mirroring my Ipad2. Has anyone found a way to get their Pioneer or Samsung TV to auto wake (and switch inputs automatically) when mirroring? I don't think that possible since ATVs don't seem to have HDMI CEC.
post #3988 of 4530
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Originally Posted by Intimdtr77 View Post

When watching TV from my FiOS box sometimes the volume will turn up very loud on the receiver. I may have it set at -30 or so to start but at a moments notice the volume will crank up very loud. I don't see the db change at all on the unit itself, just the sound turns up. If I hit the volume decrease button once it resets the volume to what I was listening to it at originally. Usually I see this happen in a commercial or when it changes to a commercial. Any ideas?

Well sounds to me like the standard uneven levels problem between various digital streams. You can try fiddling with ALC mode, the DLC setting in the audio parameters, etc. But ultimately there isn't much to be done. It seems it's worse than in analog stereo.

Also various streams -- meaning not only sources such as your DVR or BD player, but also different TV channels, or even different programs at the same channel, including ads -- may have the same average level but use the dynamic range differently. The so-called loudness war is not only found in music.

Finally, even at the same average volume, if an ad makes use of all 7.1 channels but you're currently listening to a talk show, prepare to be blasted.

Quote:


Second question, can I change the set number the volume increases and decreases by? It is set at 0.5 db at a shot. I wouldn't mind having it set at an even 1.0.

No but if you keep raising the volume continuously, it will go faster and faster.


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Originally Posted by ItzMe View Post

I'm thinking of adding an AppleTV2 to my 1020. Does anyone have any tips or advice? I mainly want it for AirPlay mirroring my Ipad2. Has anyone found a way to get their Pioneer or Samsung TV to auto wake (and switch inputs automatically) when mirroring? I don't think that possible since ATVs don't seem to have HDMI CEC.

I don't see how that would be possible. It would have been possible in theory if the 1020 was wake-on-lan (aka network standby) capable, but it is not. I think the 1021 is though.
post #3989 of 4530
Can the 1120-K adjust zone 2 volume if you're using pre-outs for zone 2? I'm able to adjust the zone 2 volume, but it doesn't seem to do anything. I'm using the CD-R input to the Zone 2 Pre-outs.
post #3990 of 4530
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

Well sounds to me like the standard uneven levels problem between various digital streams. You can try fiddling with ALC mode, the DLC setting in the audio parameters, etc. But ultimately there isn't much to be done. It seems it's worse than in analog stereo.

Also various streams -- meaning not only sources such as your DVR or BD player, but also different TV channels, or even different programs at the same channel, including ads -- may have the same average level but use the dynamic range differently. The so-called loudness war is not only found in music.

Finally, even at the same average volume, if an ad makes use of all 7.1 channels but you're currently listening to a talk show, prepare to be blasted.



No but if you keep raising the volume continuously, it will go faster and faster.




I don't see how that would be possible. It would have been possible in theory if the 1020 was wake-on-lan (aka network standby) capable, but it is not. I think the 1021 is though.

Thank you very much. Tonight it happened again and I decided to let it play out. I was alone so I had no one to piss off but the dog, he wasn't amused. After the commercial was over the volume went back to normal level. I guess I have to deal with it?

Next question, I saw there was a lot mentioned about "Zone 2" I haven't had a chance to read all of it yet, maybe someone could sum it up or just summarize it for me? I wanted to hook up my outside speakers to this box, anything special I need to do or take into consideration? We would mostly be listening to the iPod via the cable provided.
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