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Headphone cables matter.. & don't say It was a plecebo.. I bought the 150.00 Cardass cable for my 650's a few yrs ago.. I EXPECTED to hear a difference. I didn't.. THEN, I had my SA5000 re cabled with the stock 650 cable, not expecting to hear a difference & I did?? & it was bad.. It neutered the strengths of my SA5000.. Then I had my 48's recabled by APS & did notice a difference.. & a improvement.. So I can trust my ears.. Science cannot explain everything away. Saying all cables are the same is like saying all people are the same.. I bought 6.00 component cables that gave my TV the rainbow effect. I bought 24.00 component cables & got the most beautiful picture I ever seen.. Even in the digital real cables matter with HDMI during longer runs. It goes beyond, you either see/hear it or you don't.. The real point is.. Are the improvements worth the 200-400 you spend for a hi end end, 3rd party, exotic re cable.

Please don't change the subject.


Go ahead and post your evidence.

it's too bad this thread turned into a peeing contest, but neither did I see any scientific basis for the claims about "audiophile" quality wires. I do realize that there are places and times to use (IE: ) RG59 cable, twisted pairs, big gauge for long runs and other PROVEN reasons why one cable doesn't fit all. There are scientific reasons and in some areas codes that dictate when and WHY to use a specific type of wire.

I don't need snake oil but also don't need somebody to pretend that their OPINION is better than another's.

Sadly, I don't expect to find a sound reasoning in his thread anymore. What a shame.

I find the perspective of this poster over at Head-Fi forum re: cable a pragmatic one:

Quote:

"Why would you need a cable that's any "better" than what the recording studios use to record the music to begin with? Guess what they use - fairly inexpensive Canare and Mogami cables. Even if people believe that there's some mysterious physics at play which no physicist knows about, the "damage" to the sound is already done at the recording studio because they don't use fancy cables."

I also listen in a recliner and that extra length is nice! As for the sacrifices 1. Thats a problem. 2. Not a problem. I will do my research and find out what works best for me.
As for this cable issue that has popped up. Do your research and buy the best cables that you can afford.

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Yes you should start reading the HE-6 thread, whats interesting about that thread is how hard it is the pair any kind of amp that will properly power the HE-6. There are some very knowledgeable guys on that thread. The HE-6 is now my favorite headphone paired with my headphone system.

I really don't know what kind of cables and cords recording studios use understanding I don't go to those studios. But in most cases where there is a professional release of music or movie sound track they are mastered/mixed at a sound studio and mastered in digital form, meaning control boards, computers and software. Yes a sound studio will use reference grade equipment/acoustics so the folks that are doing the mastering/mixing can hear what sounds right to them. Depending on how much money is spent on mastering these guys may use more than one sound studio room, the reason is because the want to hear how there recording sounds in different conditions (hard wood, carpeted, speaker system, ect). Or they have gone with a realiser system that will copy (simple term) as many sound studios and movie theaters or what ever as they want and do there mixing and mastering at home or there office using there headphones and amp.
Very neat stuff.

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In my system yes the HE-6 is better but different. The HE-6 is kind-a a cross between the HD-800 and the Stax SR-007 Mk2 headphone, but much closer to the SR-007.
Yes I have heard the Stax system's both the high and low end.
The Stax amp and headphone lower end (202 I think its called) will cost about $800 the mid grade Stax system (it think 404) is about $1400. I could be a little off but when I got my realiser I think that's what the gave me off for not getting the stax 202 system.

And then you can go to a high end Electrostatic (that's what a stax is) Starting at about $5000 for the amp and $2600 for the SR-007.

The EF5 is under powered for the HE-6, Fang is working on a amp for the HE-6 but its not out yet. If you do play with Fang and Ms.T at Head Direct/Hifiman let me know and I could save you some waiting time. When I had Peter bulid my 12' cable for the HE-6 he was haveing a hard time getting the cup plugs from head direct, I sugested what he may want to do and drop my name (i have had a few words with fang and Ms.T), he did and Dr. Fang over night the caps to Peter. They really are nice people, just growing pains and I was one of the first to get the non beta HE-6.

btw, when you re-cable a K701 do you use a right and left cable (Y) for the R/L cups or run the left cup cable over the top to the right?

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HE-6 = $1200. whoa.....

It looks pretty, but round kinda weirds me out since your ears are oval.

The prototype sounded like a 8-9 hundred dollar headphone.. But it was under amped. The low level of distortion, noise, & the black canvas from which the sound came from is truly awe inspiring, & got me giddy.. Watching movies with gun shots was such a new aural experience for me. The imaging & weight was all there.. In those areas the HE-6 is truly hi end.. Mid range sounded recessed compared to my NAGRA DT48S, & I expected a faster transient response along with higher levels of detail.. But again.. This was just the prototype, & the headphone was under amped.. If improved, 1,200 sounds about right.. They were on sale for 900 at a CA meet.. A steal IMO..

[quote=SID3W8Z;20168170] You won't want another headphone if you got the HE-6 with proper amping, which can be done & lower pricing then you think.. The Big Joe power amp & drive the K1000 very well.. There are other amps 250-400 that are made to power these monsters.. They are polite IMO, & have a very natural, & for the most part accurate sounding bass.. But doesn't go nearly as low as the D7000, & probably the HD800.. They are also more transparent then I thought..They do side on the rich/warm side, but overall the transparency & neutrality, & balance is very good.. But still behind the K1000/DT48 from my experience in those two areas... I could only do a side by side comparison between my NAGRA's & the HE-6.. I have auditioned the K1000 for 45 minutes at a 3 man meet, & the highs were easily the most appealing & extended I ever heard in my life.. Bettering any headphone I ever owned or heard..

Elusive Disc has a fairly comprehensive listing of Stax earspeakers & amps and their retail price.

Yes its to bad that the HE-6 went up in price (I paid $999 shipped),
but still if you can properly amp these headphones they are worth every penny.


As you probably know its been reported that the non beta HE-6 is a little easier to power, but still very hard to properly pair a amp with the HE-6.
I got very lucky with my WA5LE with its all nos and matched sets of WE300B's, TSRP oval mica's and the EML 5U4G's. My WE300B's really help and bring the mids out perfectly and now you pair all plus a Oppo BD-95 analog 7.1 RCA outs with its Sabre 9018 Dac's with the realiser(prir's from aix) for anything that is MC and you will have a real WOW experience.

[quote=KBI;20170930]
I agree and that's why I am glad I didn't get a WA5 ($500 more than the LE) with its XLR phone jack for the K1000's.


Very smart way you have of re-wiring the K701, can talk about the K702 because I don't have them but It sure sounds good to me.

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Kindly provide specific reasons, but in general agreed.


Cheers

I was banned without reason, but not agreeing with Jude probably did it.. The place is run like a dictatorship if you been there a while & keep your eyes open..

+1, Absolutely! I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who feels that way!

If you say something contradictory to what the owners/mods believe or against one of the sponsors' products, you get warnings, they threaten you with banning and it's just an overall bad experience. I know a few people, very knowledgeable who got banned virtually for nothing! Yuck!

By "place" you mean http://www.head-fi.org?

I'm not too thrilled with that place, and find
it hard to believe it is ".org"

IMO AVS has it's own set of issues, but I can
live with AVS more easily than head-fi.org

Cheers

For better or worse, the owner of a web site has complete control
over its use.

Agreed. However, it's supposed to be a DISCUSSION forum, that is what they call it, isn't it?

Just as they have complete control over their site, so do we the users. I for one do not plan on going back any time soon.

Are these the best wireless HP's for the money or what?

Thanks.

Yeah, I made a blog about my experience. Two of my threads were closed due to mod trolling. One even personally attacked me in one of those threads.. I didn't like BB being a sponsor & posted my reasons.. I did not violate any TOA.. Yet mt 2 post were deleted cause it wasn't a rah, rah, great job post.

I still have no clue as to why I was banned. I feel like confronting Jude at a meet.. But he would probably just avoid me. See, it's easy to do things like this online, you are just a isp number in cyper space.. That is only recognized by a screen name on websites.. So people are more likely to talk tough, act like idiots, or get power hungry & ban people that disagree with them cause you know the other person can't do anything to you in person.. In essence they are cowards..

I am a member of at least 15 sites. Never been banned at all.. Was a moderator of 2. Headfi is the only one.. There's one admin, who is a know it all. He will actually delete your post if he thinks you are wrong. He did it to me & others.. Outrageous. Headfi morale is low.. Members are getting more vile, others afraid to speak up & express their true opinion.. Some are down right nasty.. Much different then when I joined in 06. Jude now thinks he's a big shot.. I mean he took a picture with 50 cents & now claims to be a big fan..JEEZ.. The owner & admins of this site are much more mature & have nothing to prove. They act like adults, & don't need pampering like Jude.

[quote=sillysally;20172703]Yes its to bad that the HE-6 went up in price (I paid $999 shipped),
but still if you can properly amp these headphones they are worth every penny.



As you probably know its been reported that the non beta HE-6 is a little easier to power, but still very hard to properly pair a amp with the HE-6.
I got very lucky with my WA5LE with its all nos and matched sets of WE300B's, TSRP oval mica's and the EML 5U4G's. My WE300B's really help and bring the mids out perfectly and now you pair all plus a Oppo BD-95 analog 7.1 RCA outs with its Sabre 9018 Dac's with the realiser(prir's from aix) for anything that is MC and you will have a real WOW experience.


You must have a great job.. You have like 10,000 worth of gear from your post.. Not including your speakers, or other headphones.. My HT equipment cost me around 3,000.. This includes my headphone amp, oppoSE, BC2 DAC, Panamax 5300, & 3 'hi end' Zu power cables, etc.. Not including my headphone. Must be nice to be able to buy the latest & greatest.

That's all we can do ...

except to notify them (and maybe their advertisers) why we've done it.
Is this worth any effort? Sometimes, it can be.

I am sorry to hear that you had a problem with Jude. And I can understand why you are a little bitter.


I guess I must have slipped though the cracks at HF, because not only did I slam two of there vendors but they went to bat for me and got my problems that I was having with those vendors resolved very quickly.
Not only that but one of there administrators made a public apology to me and probably others in a post.
Please don't start to think I am a shill for HF, but I think I should post my experiences even though they are positive.

[quote=KBI;20179747]
Oh my, you also speak your mind as I do "Zu power cables".

The funny thing is my wife encourages me on all of this.

[quote=sillysally;20181288]I am sorry to hear that you had a problem with Jude. And I can understand why you are a little bitter.



I guess I must have slipped though the cracks at HF, because not only did I slam two of there vendors but they went to bat for me and got my problems that I was having with those vendors resolved very quickly.
Not only that but one of there administrators made a public apology to me and probably others in a post.
Please don't start to think I am a shill for HF, but I think I should post my experiences even though they are positive.


I'm a little bitter cause he didn't have the common courteously to tell me why. Which, according to their 'MOD FAQs,' they do..

I love Zu cables.. I have their mother Power cable. I love how they look.. & the Bok, & their entry level PC.. I seem to like the BOK the best, even though it's cheaper then the Mother. Better Synergy maybe. I also have a 40.00 PC that is, really, really, big & thick.. Think monster truck big.. It makes my system look small.. I like Zu cause they sell their entry level, & Mid level PC's on Ebay.. You can get them 50% off at times. No other 3rd party, hi end cable makers sell their PC on ebay that I'm aware of.. & I bought the Mother used, for under 200.00 on Audiogon. & is the only time on ebay, where they shipped my cable 45 minutes after I won their auction. I couldn't believe it! Got my Panamax 5300 for 185.00.. They sell for 500 I think.. The panamax doesn't do much if anything on improving visuals like they say, but I hear a difference with audio.. Cleaner, less noise, lowered noise floor with a better black canvas.. I also live in a 38 yr old mobile home.. I do feel better having it.. It shows the voltage levels, & if it gets too high will shut itsels down. Usually stays at 120 or 123.

[quote=KBI;20182048] imo you really nailed the cord cable thing, its the environment you live in plus other considerations.
I have a radio tower two blocks from my home and until I started to research the cable/cord thing I would pick up the radio station that was broadcasting. Anyway because of trying different cables and cords I don't have that or any problem anymore. And yes I have a PS Audio - Premier Power Conditioner because my incoming power gos all of the place and the PPP holds the power at 121 volts and also reduces the THD from about 8 to .8 THD.
And yes I hear the exact same benefits as you hear.
imo the downside to any cords or cables or power conditioners, is that what works for me and where i live may not work for you.

ss

[quote=sillysally;20186843]
Yeah, It's not a one size fits all type thing.. Maybe I could have gotten the same results going cheaper, but with the huge deals I couldn't resist.. & I'm very pleased.