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post #61 of 1193
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Originally Posted by A9X-308 View Post

Obviously.SS, do you get that I don't care? I'm building this for me based upon my experiences, preferences and tastes.

Of course I understand that, but you said you wanted a more out of head soundstage so It sounds to me like you do care

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Your 'push-pull' comment and liking of the Woo amps leads me to believe you have drunk the SET Kool Aid. But look, Woo make a push-pull EL34 based ES amp. Mine doesn't cost $US5k has a better driver stage (doesn't use the rubbish 12AU7) nor the 5AR4. Total cost for my system incl what the parts cost originally and the 404 which I bought new at a great price will be maybe $A1200.

Do you even have a clue to what is in my amp/psu, and do you have a clue to what my tastes are, I think not.
Yes that's correct Woo does build a EL34 amp.
I am simply going by the system you posted, and that system is entry level and not custom built.
Do you know how many times I heard folks make the same claim as you are making, if you can build it more power to you,. But from what you have already said, you have some big problems.

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Accuracy mainly, and to date, none of the dynamic systems I've heard have even been close sounding thick, closed and muddy compared to stats.

I am sorry but you have never heard a dynamic system worth listening too, if you have you would never have made a statement like that.

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From what I have read so far x-coupling is fairly sound in theory, costs very little for me to implement and I can adjust to to preference and it will be switchable.

Yes that's all you have so far is theory, but theory and a well working amp are two different things.

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Plus, I have all the parts, am an EE with some decades of designing and building tube amplification systems, I enjoy it for a hobby and I felt like building some tube gear again for a change.

Great I wish you well.

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Obviously the HD800's won't work with my headamp. But if I change the plate loads from chokes or CCS to a transformer of the correct ratio, they will. Cost maybe $300 and 20 mins work. If I ever heard the HD800's and was impressed enough to buy them, and they would have to be a considerable amount better, not just different from what I have it would not be hard to design and build a high performance headamp for them.

I see but I think you will find it a little more involved that that.

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Did you bother to look at the link for the store? It's not exactly Best Buy. The system I used was the TOTL STAX at the time, incl the Omegas (and my 404 and Lambda Pro) and the tube driver amp. The dynamics were powered by some expensive dedicated headamp, but I don't recall which, so it was a more than fair and reasonable comparison. I took my time and none of the dynamics came close. Perhaps the HD800 would, but until I see and hear them myself, I doubt it. Perhaps, but based upon a couple of decades of hearing 'blow you away' hundreds or thousands of times, it's happened exactly twice with two surprisingly modest, yet exceedingly competently engineered systems. So until the BYA system is placed in front of me and it's merits proven, it's just audiophile hyperbole.

No I didn't wast time to look at that site, I already have a good Idea what is offered. Yes the Omegas and Lambda Pro are good headphones but are they being made any more? I hate to tell you that your 404 are not in the same league as the other two.

Tell me hows the bass and out of head soundstage is with your 404s. I can understand why you wear your 404 in bed, because i am sure you don't want to keep repositioning those speakers you have hung over your head.

If you can make a system like you claim, why not build and sell in your country. You do have a good market and very little competition.

But like I have said a very nice Stax system can be very rewarding, it all depends on what sound you like.

ss
post #62 of 1193
My gear
1950's NAGRA DT48S
1950's DT48a APS V3 recable
1960's DT48S
1970's FrankenDT48e (previous owner was founder of Stereophile)
1970's DT48e
1970's or 80's DT48a
1980's DT48e
2005 DT48a APS V3 recable
2008 DT48e X 2

The ohms vary from 5/8/25/200. The DT48's from different Era's do sound different.

Gold point headphone amp V5 with stepped Atten.
Modded & balanced Bel Canto DAC 2
OPPO 83SE
1800 Yamaha receiver

Future goals
HD800
NE upgrade
NAGRA APS V3 recable
Upgrade my GP V5 to V6
post #63 of 1193
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by KBI View Post

My gear
1950's NAGRA DT48S
1950's DT48a APS V3 recable
1960's DT48S
1970's FrankenDT48e (previous owner was founder of Stereophile)
1970's DT48e
1970's or 80's DT48a
1980's DT48e
2005 DT48a APS V3 recable
2008 DT48e X 2

The ohms vary from 5/8/25/200. The DT48's from different Era's do sound different.

Gold point headphone amp V5 with stepped Atten.
Modded & balanced Bel Canto DAC 2
OPPO 83SE
1800 Yamaha receiver

Future goals
HD800
NE upgrade
NAGRA APS V3 recable
Upgrade my GP V5 to V6

You like the DT48?
post #64 of 1193
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Originally Posted by SID3W8Z View Post

You like the DT48?

I want to be buried with them. How is that for being a fanatic. So, yes,. I like them a bit.
post #65 of 1193
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Originally Posted by Denophile View Post

nice thread

senheiser hd 650
akg 702
sennheiser hd-590

musical fidelity x can v3

sources: denon 5910, 1930, 3800 sony scd xa5400es, bdp 5000es, ipod, iyiyi (tivoli)

im gitten myself one of those dots!!

You get your amp yet? I just got mine the other day... I like it a lot! I popped on some Jazz (Diana Krall) and listenend. Wow, it wasn't as 'SHARP' as through my uDac was, but my uDac made it sound lifeless as well. I ordered a new OpAmp first (as it's usually less expensive than a matched tube pair).
post #66 of 1193
Thoughts on the new head fi? Personally, I think it sucks. Looks Like the home shopping center. The website is one big ad.. A lot of the functions are geared towards selling.. Some is blatant, other, not so blatant.. It seems tailor made for sponsors and vendors. If I never visited headfi before, I'd be looking to place a order somewhere. Less community. More business fluff. Just being honest.. I'm very cynical of this change. Seems more like a money grab. If you disagree, be civil.
post #67 of 1193
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Originally Posted by KBI View Post

Thoughts on the new head fi? Personally, I think it sucks. Looks Like the home shopping center. The website is one big ad.. A lot of the functions are geared towards selling.. Some is blatant, other, not so blatant.. It seems tailor made for sponsors and vendors. If I never visited headfi before, I'd be looking to place a order somewhere. Less community. More business fluff. Just being honest.. I'm very cynical of this change. Seems more like a money grab. If you disagree, be civil.

I feel the same way. I hardly posted there before, but the new layout has completely turned me away.
post #68 of 1193
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Originally Posted by KBI View Post

Thoughts on the new head fi? Personally, I think it sucks. Looks Like the home shopping center. The website is one big ad.. A lot of the functions are geared towards selling.. Some is blatant, other, not so blatant.. It seems tailor made for sponsors and vendors. If I never visited headfi before, I'd be looking to place a order somewhere. Less community. More business fluff. Just being honest.. I'm very cynical of this change. Seems more like a money grab. If you disagree, be civil.

Nice to see you on this thread.

Ya I don't care that much for page layout.

And yes I have always thought that a few of the heavy posters seem to have there own agenda, if you know what I mean.
However I think Jude is pretty good with his reviews, and I can't blame him for wanting to make money with his forum.
What I have found with Head-Fi is read as many opinions as you can about whatever interests you and go from there.

ss
post #69 of 1193
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I find it a bit hard to navigate and find what I'm looking for.
post #70 of 1193
I have a severe dislike for the new Head-Fi, and the first thing I did was look for a 'classic head-fi' button. I can't find one.


CURRENT 'rig':

Headphones:

Beyerdynamic DT880 32ohm
Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro 80ohm
HiFiman RE0 (IEM)
Koss KSC75
Steelseries Siberia (Version 1?)

Amp:
Astro Mixamp
Fiio E5

Source:
PS3
360
Asus 1201n netbook
Samsung Eternity Phone (my ghetto MP3 player)

My headphone audiophilia is mainly limited to gaming with Dolby Headphone/virtual surround. This is why I'm not too interested in harder to drive headphones and incredibly expensive amp and dacs, and why all my headphones are relatively easy to drive. The DT880 sounds like an audiophile headphone, even at 32ohm. They do everything well.

When it comes to music, I prefer a 'fun' bass emphasized headphone, which is why I abuse the hell out of my DT770 Pro 80 for just that. I obviously don't use DH or virtual surround for music.

I guess you can say that I'm not an audiophile, but a funaudiophile...
post #71 of 1193
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Originally Posted by Shin CZ View Post

I have a severe dislike for the new Head-Fi, and the first thing I did was look for a 'classic head-fi' button. I can't find one.


CURRENT 'rig':

Headphones:

Beyerdynamic DT880 32ohm
Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro 80ohm
HiFiman RE0 (IEM)
Koss KSC75
Steelseries Siberia (Version 1?)

Amp:
Astro Mixamp
Fiio E5

Source:
PS3
360
Asus 1201n netbook
Samsung Eternity Phone (my ghetto MP3 player)

My headphone audiophilia is mainly limited to gaming with Dolby Headphone/virtual surround. This is why I'm not too interested in harder to drive headphones and incredibly expensive amp and dacs, and why all my headphones are relatively easy to drive. The DT880 sounds like an audiophile headphone, even at 32ohm. They do everything well.

When it comes to music, I prefer a 'fun' bass emphasized headphone, which is why I abuse the hell out of my DT770 Pro 80 for just that. I obviously don't use DH or virtual surround for music.

I guess you can say that I'm not an audiophile, but a funaudiophile...

Nice to see you here! I agree, I don't like the new Head-Fi either. Good selection of headphones I see. Now, time to AMP those babies!
post #72 of 1193
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I read a little about Cryo-ed tubes. Does anyone have/tried any? What are your thoughts? Is it worth investing in?
post #73 of 1193
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Originally Posted by SID3W8Z View Post

I read a little about Cryo-ed tubes. Does anyone have/tried any? What are your thoughts? Is it worth investing in?

imo no. Its just a baking process performed by the seller, if memory serves me right. Its not a different tube.

I just got a NOSIB matched pair of Sung-Sol 6SN7GT round plate black glass 1942 CLT (very rare) from a seller in Greece, and the last thing he would ever do is to Cryo these tubes. Gives me nightmares just to think that anybody would do that to tubes like these.

Be careful when buying NOS tubes, only buy from a top seller and even then cross your fingers.

btw, make sure your amp is compatible with the tubes, if in doubt PM your seller and ask.

ss
post #74 of 1193
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

imo no. Its just a baking process performed by the seller, if memory serves me right. Its not a different tube.

I just got a NOSIB matched pair of Sung-Sol 6SN7GT round plate black glass 1942 CLT (very rare) from a seller in Greece, and the last thing he would ever do is to Cryo these tubes. Gives me nightmares just to think that anybody would do that to tubes like these.

Be careful when buying NOS tubes, only buy from a top seller and even then cross your fingers.

ss

I just ordered some Western Electric 408A for my Little Dot I+. I already installed the LT1364 OpAmp (those two combos are supposed to be very nice for the AKG K701/702).
post #75 of 1193
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Originally Posted by SID3W8Z View Post

I just ordered some Western Electric 408A for my Little Dot I+. I already installed the LT1364 OpAmp (those two combos are supposed to be very nice for the AKG K701/702).

Let us know what you think.

ss
post #76 of 1193
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

Let us know what you think.

ss

I will, I didn't go with Cryoed tubes, per your suggestion. Even if these tubes are only $25 for a matched pair, I'm sure it will be better than the tubes that were included with the Amp.
post #77 of 1193
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Ok, they came in... only listened to a few songs so far... but they seem to need a lot more volume to get to the same listening levels than the stock tubes. Also, the highs seem a little rolled off and they're not as detailed as the stock tubes. The one thing I did like though, is how the bass is tightened up where the stock ones can be 'boomy' at times. Dunno, these do need a break in anyway. Oh yea... and I don't like how they don't light up. I wanted my stock ones to have more light... and these don't seem to have any... sheesh.
post #78 of 1193
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I was so excited to try out the new tubes... that I popped them in and fired it up. I wasn't all that excited about the sound... but kept burning them in for 28hrs. (8hrs at a time). Then... I listened again, 1 channel was louder. I finally pull the manual and took a good hard look. I NEVER changed the jumpers to accept the 408A tubes. So, I fix that over sight... but now the tubes are soooo low in volume, that I guess I burned them out. Sheesh. Need to order up a new pair.
post #79 of 1193
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Weird thing... I tried the 408A (the burned ones) again today... and they work fine. I don't really understand, but I'm happy. Going to continue breaking them in then.
post #80 of 1193
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

Nice to see you on this thread.

Ya I don't care that much for page layout.

And yes I have always thought that a few of the heavy posters seem to have there own agenda, if you know what I mean.
However I think Jude is pretty good with his reviews, and I can't blame him for wanting to make money with his forum.
What I have found with Head-Fi is read as many opinions as you can about whatever interests you and go from there.

ss

I like some of it.. But it seems to benefit the manufacture.. I write positive reviews.. This helps companies sell more amps.. It's like we are encouraging others to buy, buy, buy,.. Overall.. Somethings are a bit confusing.. I still think it brings us further away.. & seems more business oriented. But some features are fun. I find myself posting less, while promoting the items I have..
post #81 of 1193
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Originally Posted by KBI View Post

I like some of it.. But it seems to benefit the manufacture.. I write positive reviews.. This helps companies sell more amps.. It's like we are encouraging others to buy, buy, buy,.. Overall.. Somethings are a bit confusing.. I still think it brings us further away.. & seems more business oriented. But some features are fun. I find myself posting less, while promoting the items I have..

I used to have updates sent via email to let me know when something's changed on my subscribed threads... it still does that... but now I have to 'hunt' for the new information... not very user friendly.
post #82 of 1193
Main Rig:
Source: AIFF files through iTunes on iMac to optical out
DAC: Benchmark DAC1 USB
Amp: Benchmark DAC1 USB
Cans: AKG K701

Bedroom Rig:
Source: Same as above, accessed over Airport Express, optical out, Remote App
DAC: (Soon to be) Matrix Mini-i
Amp: Matrix Mini-i
Cans: Sennheiser HD580 (HD600 grilles, HD650 cable)

Portable Rig:
Source: 192 VBR MP3 on iPod Touch
DAC: iPod Touch
Amp: iPod Touch
Cans: Audio Technica ATH-M50

Bill
post #83 of 1193
Anyone ever try Thinksound IEM's?
post #84 of 1193
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Originally Posted by SID3W8Z View Post

I was so excited to try out the new tubes... that I popped them in and fired it up. I wasn't all that excited about the sound... but kept burning them in for 28hrs. (8hrs at a time). Then... I listened again, 1 channel was louder. I finally pull the manual and took a good hard look. I NEVER changed the jumpers to accept the 408A tubes. So, I fix that over sight... but now the tubes are soooo low in volume, that I guess I burned them out. Sheesh. Need to order up a new pair.

Well, for some crazy reason... the 408A tubes are working again... and they sound great! I have about 56hrs on them right now.
post #85 of 1193
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Ok, I was just playing around... and did a quick test (to satisfy my curiosity). I moved my Philips upscaling DVD player over to my computer and burned a CD copy of Diana Krall "Only Trust Your Heart" and Beyonce "I am Sasha Fierce" CDs (I have the CDs in my Jeep, and 'am too lazy to run out and get them. ...but the files are Lossless anyway). So. I plug my DVD player into my Little Dot I+ and play a few songs from both CDs. It sounds pretty good. I can deal with this. Then, I move some cables around and plug my uDac into my Little Dot... and play the same songs from the computer. The computer was definitely cleaner and bass a bit more textured with more layers to the songs. I thought it was fine from DVD, till I heard the same song from the computer. So, I guess... before I make a listening only station... I'll need a better CD Transport.
post #86 of 1193
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Not an iMod or a great LOD, but it still sounds good to me... and I didn't believe it at first, but you CAN hear the difference!
post #87 of 1193
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Reposted from "What Gaming Headphones to buy?" thread.

I'd like to thank PJ_Rage for allowing me the opportunity to listen to his Sennheiser HD600 and AKG K702 headphones. He realized that I wasn't sure which headphone that I should pick, and being the funds are really tight for me right now... he decided to be kind enough and help me out, by letting me audition his and then make my decision. I will be pitting these two heavy weight phones up against my modded and highly loved Grado SR-80i headphones. So, on to the testing...

First Setup goes like this:
iPod 5.5G with custom LOD to Fiio E5 to HD600, K702, SR80i

First Song: Kielbasa by Tenacious D.
Reason: I chose this song, as the guitar riffs are really nice, yet only semi complex in nature. It's excellent to hear the separate notes and also hear the bass from the kick drum. I thoroughly enjoyed this song with all the headphones!

HD600 (stock cable): Very nice and clean presentation. Vocals were nice and tight. The pluck of the guitar strings were very nice. Smooth transitions. Slight veil, but nothing that I would put as a negative (I kind of like the sound of it). It almost sounds like I have a tube amp involved. The bass was nice, though it lacked a little clarity...but was still pleasing.

HD600 (OCC Cable): Automatically... smoother, cleaner presentation. More forward than the stock cables. Veil? What veil? Ok, as of right now... why would you buy these headphones and use a stock cable. The bass is clean, tight and much more pronounced. Great detail! Who said cables don't make a difference? Silly people! The detail has jumped up there with the K702, but also includes the tight bass and hard hitting feeling. C'mon, tickle my ear drums more!

K702 (stock cable): The veil was gone. Vocals were more pronounced than on the HD600. The pluck of the strings were tighter, with nice note decay. Has more detail than the HD600 as well. The bass, wow... nice. Not a hard hitting bass, but far from muddy and very defined. Impressive compared to what I've been reading. I really like the sound signature. I've listened to the AD700 through the iPod and Fiio previously (without the LOD though), and it sounded NOTHING like this. This slams the AD700 deep into the dirt! I LIKE!

K702 (SWZ Gaming Cable): Mids more forward. Guitar plucks sound just a little cleaner. The Mids, Mid-Bass and Bass all LEAP forward! Wow, they sounded good before... but with the SWZ Cable, it sounds like a much better headphone! I really like. Clarity is also up there! Nice note separation (even better than before). I could live with this headphone in it's current form with the SWZ Cable. The bass is almost to the point that it's up there with the HD600 (stock cable form), but still cleaner than that and nearly on the level of the OCC cable (for bass that is). I really like.

K702 (OCC Cable): Clarity takes another step forward. The bass is roughly the same as with the SWZ cable, but has better detail. I can't believe these sound this good with this low end source setup! WOW! Truly wonderful! The highs are cleaner than before. Nice detail! They really do sound really sweet!

SWZ SR-80i (modded): The Grado has more pronounced guitar strings. You feel like your sitting with Jack Black and listening to them play. VERY FORWARD sounded. Fantastic guitar sounds. The bass is not as clean as the K702, and not as deep as the HD600... but is nice and defined. All in all, a very nice presentation. It is also much easier to drive than the other two.

Song 1: Grado has the guitars followed closely by the K702 and then by HD600. The guitar in my opinion sounded a little more fun with the SWZ cable over the OCC, but the detail is better with the OCC cable on the K702. The HD600 sounds great and seem to benefit the most from the OCC cable (well, both headphones did, but I liked the jump most from the HD600 over the K702 with that cable). In all honesty. The K702 sounds like a more detailed (and better version) of the Grado with the OCC cable on this song. I think the OCC cable made the K702 sound like a nicer, tighter, much better (with bass) AD700.

Second Song: Tribute by Tenacious D.

HD600 (stock cable): Increased the volume on the Fiio to help compensate for being harder to drive (Yes, I know they're not properly driven... but that's not the point at this moment). Excellent bass! Love how you can not only hear the bass... but it tickles your ear drums too. Not so much that it's really muddy and over powering like that of the DT770 or other headphones I've tried. Even in stock form, these are a very nice and smooth headphone.

HD600 (OCC Cable): Very smooth. Detailed. Good bass impact. Great on vocals too. Still no veil. Impressive. It's a more laid back sound, but doesn't seem like it's missing detail. Definitely better than stock cable.

Note: I'm going to stop listening to stock cables... really no need as the OCC cables make the headphones sound almost like a totally different headphone over the stock cable.

K702 (SWZ Gaming Cable): More note separation than HD600. The guitar and vocals sound more rounded and smoother. The bass has nice quantity and is quite tight as well. The bass doesn't hit as hard as it does with the HD600, but it's also a little cleaner. The highs on the K702 also seem to reach a higher plateau than on the HD600.

K702 (OCC Cable): Guitar sounds cleaner, you can hear the individual notes a bit better. Sounds more Grado like (I do like that sound). Vocals are cleaner than the SWZ Cable. Everything seems to move forward with the OCC Cable on these headphones. The bass is nice and detailed, but less hard hitting than the SWZ Cable. Highs are definitely more defined.

SWZ SR-80i (modded): Less detail than the HD600 or the K702. Sounded good. I honestly don't think there is ANY synergy with the Grados and the Fiio amp. Vocals sound good and clear, but the guitar didn't jump out at me as they normally do, or... they HD600 and K702 really do sound that much better.

Ok, I'm done for tonight. I'm going to do more (other genres) and more testing this weekend. So far, I'm wishing I had the money to buy both headphones. I like the HD600 better with the OCC cable, and the smoother laid back sound of the SWZ Cable with the K702 at the moment, but I haven't gotten to my Diana Krall or my other songs yet, so this is all just speculation at this point.

SID3W8Z
post #88 of 1193
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If you've read my first posting on this, I started with an iPod 5.5G, with a custom LOD to a Fiio E5. This was to test Sennheiser HD600, AKG K702 and Grado SR-80i (modded) headphones. The Senn and AKG were tested with stock and OCC Copper based cable. The K702 also were tested with an SWZ OFC Copper Gaming Cable. Once such a large difference was heard between stock cables and the OFC/OCC varient. I stopped using the stock cables and concentrated on the headphones (all with re-cable).

Second Setup goes like this:
Dell Studio XPS 435MT → iTunes ALAC → USB → NuForce uDac → Headphone

Songs 1: Drowning Pool - Full Circle Album - Full Circle, Enemy, Shame

HD600 (OCC Cable): Clean presentation. Mids are nice and pronounced. Bass was deep and felt. Enjoyable.

K702 (OCC Cable): Very clean, forward, great sound. Not sure if Rock is this headphones strong point, but if this is all you had, they still do a great job.

K702 (SWZ Gaming Cable): Clean, a little more congested than the OCC cable, but also smoother without the pronounced highs

SWZ SR-80i (modded): Rock shines on these headphones. Soundstage is smaller than the other two headphones, but it goes to show you, this headphone performs above it's pay grade with a simple re-cable and grill mod. The verdict is still out though if the felt lining of the interior of the cups make a difference. The instruments do feel a bit smooshed together over the other two (but that's the whole soundstage thing), but it also sounds more fun and less analytical to the K702.

Songs 2: Beyonce - I AM SASH FIERCE Album - If I were a Boy, Ave Maria, Single Ladies

HD600 (OCC Cable): Deep bass, definitely feel pressure on the ear drums. These sound like a smoother and more detailed version of the DT770 Pro 80. The mids are more forward than the DT770 and the bass is tighter, but it almost seems to have a similar sound signature. I like these, but as I listen to more music.... the K702 keep pulling forward.

K702 (OCC Cable): Very detailed, maybe too detailed for this type of music. Vocals sound great, but at times can be too much. This cable seems to pull away from the bass and mid/bass and emphasize a little more of the highs and upper mids than anything else.

K702 (SWZ Gaming Cable): Smoother, more mellow and laid back listening experience. I enjoyed the songs all over again with less ear strain. Good bass. This cable seems to pull the music from the bass all the way to the highs forward and smoothly does it. The highs are a little more rolled off than on the OCC cable, but in my opinion, it's better for it.

SWZ SR-80i (modded): Very nice, smooth, and quite enjoyable. The bass is lighter than either of the other two headphones, but still detailed. Vocals were well represented. This headphone honestly sounds like a slightly less detailed version of the K702 using the SWZ cable (with a little less bass impact).

All in all, very much fun! I definitely see myself pulling more towards the K702 at this point.
post #89 of 1193
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Here's my final listen and then I will make my choice on headphone. I've finally put my Little Dot I+ Hybrid amplifier in the audio chain. This is a very nice little amp that is utilizing 2x Western Electric 408A (matched) tubes and a Linear Technology LT1364 OpAmp.

Final Setup goes like this:
Dell Studio XPS 435MT → iTunes ALAC → USB → NuForce uDac → Little Dot I+ → Headphone

Songs: Colbie Caillat “I won't”, Coldplay “Clocks”, Diana Krall “Broadway”, “All Night Long”, Diane Schuur “Caught a Touch of your love”, and Bach's Cello suite No.1 (from YouTube unfortunately).

HD600 (OCC Cable): Detailed, smoother than previously heard. Very enjoyable and fuller sound. It seems they now have the power to perform as they should. These sound fantastic for Jazz, and Diana Kralls voice sounds fantastic. The bass guitars, cymbals, piano... all very inviting and smooth. I really like how these perform.

K702 (OCC Cable): Played Bach first, and I can immediately hear and feel the larger soundstage. Where the HD600 gave me nice full music... the K702 gave me the detail. The HD600 sounded like I was in a Jazz club, the K702... as if I was at the Phil Harmonic. Different presentations, but both very enjoyable. Great presentation in general.

K702 (SWZ Gaming Cable): Smooth sound. Good punch to the bass. Less detail compared to the OCC Cable. With a tube amp, OCC Cable. With a Solid State Amp, the SWZ Cable sounds better to me.

SWZ SR-80i (modded): Wow, Go GRADOS! This is what I was talking about! First song I tried was Bach's Cello... and the Grados sounded FANTASTIC! BIG Soundstage, Clean, pronounced and IN YOUR FACE sound! They must have perfect synergy with the OFC Cable, W.E. 408A tubes and the LT1364 OpAmp. These took the cake for Bach! Colbie Caillat sounded great too. Her voice carried through nice and clear. Coldplay was nicely delivered. Diana Krall's “Broadway” sound was great. The stand up bass guitar plucks were tight and felt. Piano and cymbals were quite crisp. I love these headphones! There is a portion in the song where the drummer is sliding a “brush” across the snare drums. This is almost lost in the HD600, you can hear it on the K702 with the OCC cable (not so much with the SWZ cable). The Grados do it the best justice though.

So, now... after listening to all these headphones in their different configurations. Listening to the different genres, it's easy to see they all have their own strengths and weaknesses. I really enjoyed them all. I definitely enjoyed the AKG K702 much more than I thought I would. They were EXCELLENT for gaming! So, your wondering. Which one would I put my hard earned money on? Well, very hard question. I have realized, that I'm a Grado guy through and through. So, I'm going to be looking into going up the Grado ladder instead of going towards either the K702 or the HD600 for music. Not knocking those two headphones because they are phenomenal! The synergy the Grados have with my Amp can't be denied. They sound utterly amazing! So, it's time to either save up for a higher end Grado, or for a better Amp to do the other headphones proper justice in the future. I want to thank PJ for allowing me this opportunity. You have some AWESOME headphones there buddy!

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Since the last time I posted, I have since bought and sold the JVC HA-S700 which looks and sounds like the Bose AE, but for 1/5th the price. I liked them a lot for the price but didn't need them.

I also traded my DT880s for the K701s, and I am utterly in love with them.
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