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Originally Posted by alanwescoat 
Um...HD DVDs are commercially recorded media. So are VCDs, and despite the fact that HD DVDs bit the dust rather fast, VCDs continue to have a small but active market. I'm not sure why you seem to think that they were not commercially recorded.
What I find most strange is that on Denon's last consumer-level universal player, the DVD-1920, VCDs were supported. Possibly they are with the new ones, but it's not on the list. I'm looking at upgrading to the 1611 or 2011 because my 1920 is getting a little wonky. I only own a handful of VCDs, but it was nice before HD DVD and Blu-ray hit to have a player that actually could play every 5" shiny disk other than game, ROM, and ancient CDV disks. All I want is the same functionality of the DVD-1920 plus the new formats (Blu-ray and HD DVD).
Also, I think this player does support streaming. At least it supports NetFlix and some other system with an Internet connection. Perhaps you mean something else by streaming, or possibly you were just discussing the idea of how the word "universal" is being twisted around by the industry these days. I always despise it when companies get hold of a perfectly clear word and start to twist its meaning. Imagine you bought a power adapter that was advertised as "universal." It will work in "pretty much" any power outlet...except...Japan, the Philippines, and the United States. In that case, it's not universal, though it still has a wide variety of applications.
Now in my honest opinion, it's irresponsible to call these things universal. We can easily leave out the games and ROM with the understanding that we are buying a universal audio and video player and not a game platform or a computer. Likewise, we can exclude the CDV in relation to the fact that we are talking about modern optical technology and the CDV relied on a much older and most likely utterly incompatible optical technology (i.e., the laserdisc). What we're left with is that HD DVD and VCD - both of which are formats based directly upon modern optical technology - do not appear to be supported in a supposedly universal player. Of course, what I have to say isn't going to stop any company from touting its products as universal; I just think a better and more accurate term could be found. Something like "multi-format" Blu-ray player would sound kind of okay, though there's probably a label better than that.
And whether or not it supports VCD or HD DVD, I'm still gonna buy one when they hit the market here. I love my Denon products. I adore them, and I suppose if I really need to play a VCD and my DVD-1920 breaks, I'll just get it serviced. I may even try to pick up a few used or broken ones for parts.
And I'm really still wondering if anyone has any idea what kind of quality these players will have with SACD DSD signals converted to HDMI signals.
Um...HD DVDs are commercially recorded media. So are VCDs, and despite the fact that HD DVDs bit the dust rather fast, VCDs continue to have a small but active market. I'm not sure why you seem to think that they were not commercially recorded.
What I find most strange is that on Denon's last consumer-level universal player, the DVD-1920, VCDs were supported. Possibly they are with the new ones, but it's not on the list. I'm looking at upgrading to the 1611 or 2011 because my 1920 is getting a little wonky. I only own a handful of VCDs, but it was nice before HD DVD and Blu-ray hit to have a player that actually could play every 5" shiny disk other than game, ROM, and ancient CDV disks. All I want is the same functionality of the DVD-1920 plus the new formats (Blu-ray and HD DVD).
Also, I think this player does support streaming. At least it supports NetFlix and some other system with an Internet connection. Perhaps you mean something else by streaming, or possibly you were just discussing the idea of how the word "universal" is being twisted around by the industry these days. I always despise it when companies get hold of a perfectly clear word and start to twist its meaning. Imagine you bought a power adapter that was advertised as "universal." It will work in "pretty much" any power outlet...except...Japan, the Philippines, and the United States. In that case, it's not universal, though it still has a wide variety of applications.
Now in my honest opinion, it's irresponsible to call these things universal. We can easily leave out the games and ROM with the understanding that we are buying a universal audio and video player and not a game platform or a computer. Likewise, we can exclude the CDV in relation to the fact that we are talking about modern optical technology and the CDV relied on a much older and most likely utterly incompatible optical technology (i.e., the laserdisc). What we're left with is that HD DVD and VCD - both of which are formats based directly upon modern optical technology - do not appear to be supported in a supposedly universal player. Of course, what I have to say isn't going to stop any company from touting its products as universal; I just think a better and more accurate term could be found. Something like "multi-format" Blu-ray player would sound kind of okay, though there's probably a label better than that.
And whether or not it supports VCD or HD DVD, I'm still gonna buy one when they hit the market here. I love my Denon products. I adore them, and I suppose if I really need to play a VCD and my DVD-1920 breaks, I'll just get it serviced. I may even try to pick up a few used or broken ones for parts.
And I'm really still wondering if anyone has any idea what kind of quality these players will have with SACD DSD signals converted to HDMI signals.
Not to mix words
but I think what the OP meant was "currently", as in production now, by the major studios. I am not aware of any new releases being available on HD DVD nor of any company still re-producing any titles once inventory levels drop. To be honest not even sure if the technology or licensing for the tech is still being actively shopped? How would Denon get support for the format?
