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post #1 of 25
4/27/10 at 11:25pm
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I grew up with cerwin vegas, and had a 12'' sub in my car back in highschool (you know, before i actually put things in my trunk) so im used to the low end of my music hitting pretty hard. naturally, my sony ss-mf750h just isnt cutting it on the bottom end, which i actually bought because they were the only ones in my price range with 8" woofers. so ive auditioned a few speakers, liked a few, but absolutely loved the paradigm monitor 11s, and was planning on purchasing some monitor 9's, but sadly after taking a more honest look at my setup, i just don't have the room space to pull them as far away from the wall as i would like. the current sony's are about 8'' away from the wall, at most i could maybe do 10". ive thought about getting a sub, but i just dont have the space for one, and also it would require something other than my onkyo a9555, which i love too much to let go. I even thought about cerwin vegas again but from what i can tell they seem to be rear ported. this is purely for music, and would be in a smallish room (15x12) but i have a tendency to like it loud enough to be heard throughout the house (not the largest house mind you). from what ive read, im leaning towards axiom m50s or m60s, or maybe even some psb's, but im generally worried about buying a speaker i cant audition first. so any recommendations out there people? Front ported speakers with great low end for pure music purposes......
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post #2 of 25
4/28/10 at 12:52am
Do most rear port require to be pulled out a lot? I have my M3's at about 3 inches away from the wall, and they're doing fine. I also have a pair of PSB T5's. They're very neutral, so I think you'll want the T6's for heavier low end, although even the T6's are not extending pass 35hz IIRC. I don't think Axiom M60's are bassy either.
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post #3 of 25
4/28/10 at 1:27am
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that seems to be the general consensus, even my current front ported speakers get all sorts of ugly when they're within 5" of the wall, and my parents cerwin vegas had to be kept about a foot away from the wall...
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post #4 of 25
4/28/10 at 5:59am
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Originally Posted by omgitsoop View Post

ive thought about getting a sub, but i just dont have the space for one, and also it would require something other than my onkyo a9555, which i love too much to let go.

Why would you have to get rid of your amp? Most subs have speaker-level inputs/outputs in addition to the RCA-in jack.

Like it or not, a sub is what you need. Get creative and make some room!
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post #5 of 25
4/28/10 at 6:05am
I believe eD has some front ported speakers. SVS and Ascend have some sealed designs as well.
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post #6 of 25
4/28/10 at 6:08am
What's your budget?

Kef, PSB and Paradigm (and others) all have front ported options.
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post #7 of 25
4/28/10 at 7:30am
Air suspension speakers (sealed) are less finicky about placement near walls and corners than ported speakers. Front facing ports will also help with placement problems.
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post #8 of 25
4/28/10 at 10:02am
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Originally Posted by rnatalli View Post

I believe eD has some front ported speakers. SVS and Ascend have some sealed designs as well.

svs seems built to work with their subs. the only non rear ported ascend is the bottom htm-200. not enough oomph for me. that ed a6-6t6 looks interesting though...

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What's your budget?

Kef, PSB and Paradigm (and others) all have front ported options.

my budget is preferably no more than $1100. the only front ported paradigm in my budget is the titan, there are two psb dealers near me im going to see whos got a T6 on hand today

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Front facing ports will also help with placement problems.

maybe thats why its in the thread title....
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post #9 of 25
4/28/10 at 12:07pm
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Originally Posted by jaball77 View Post

Why would you have to get rid of your amp? Most subs have speaker-level inputs/outputs in addition to the RCA-in jack

im under the impression that the sound quality of running it through the sub input/outputs is subpar, but have never actually heard it myself. is this not so?
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post #10 of 25
4/28/10 at 12:22pm
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Originally Posted by omgitsoop View Post

I grew up with cerwin vegas, and had a 12'' sub in my car back in highschool (you know, before i actually put things in my trunk) so im used to the low end of my music hitting pretty hard. naturally, my sony ss-mf750h just isnt cutting it on the bottom end, which i actually bought because they were the only ones in my price range with 8" woofers. so ive auditioned a few speakers, liked a few, but absolutely loved the paradigm monitor 11s, and was planning on purchasing some monitor 9's, but sadly after taking a more honest look at my setup, i just don't have the room space to pull them as far away from the wall as i would like. the current sony's are about 8'' away from the wall, at most i could maybe do 10". ive thought about getting a sub, but i just dont have the space for one, and also it would require something other than my onkyo a9555, which i love too much to let go. I even thought about cerwin vegas again but from what i can tell they seem to be rear ported. this is purely for music, and would be in a smallish room (15x12) but i have a tendency to like it loud enough to be heard throughout the house (not the largest house mind you). from what ive read, im leaning towards axiom m50s or m60s, or maybe even some psb's, but im generally worried about buying a speaker i cant audition first. so any recommendations out there people? Front ported speakers with great low end for pure music purposes......

As long as you have enough space so that the port isn't loaded by the wall (a port diameter will do it) it doesn't matter what side the port is on.

Proximity to the wall will cause a boost at low frequencies regardless of where the drivers and port are. Speakers designed for a specific placement will work better. Speakers with boundary compensation switches will work better. A parametric equalizer will fix the problem.
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post #11 of 25
4/28/10 at 12:26pm
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Originally Posted by Knucklehead90 View Post

Air suspension speakers (sealed) are less finicky about placement near walls and corners than ported speakers. Front facing ports will also help with placement problems.

A speaker has lost half its on-axis output to the area behind it once wave lengths are 3X the baffle width.

For a foot wide speaker you'd want in your living room that's 377 Hz; and for a 6" wide one that your wife prefers it's 753Hz.

That's well above where ports figure into it. Ported or sealed isn't an issue. It all comes down to how the designer has compensated for the baffle step loss. Speakers with less low frequency boost (actually implemented as less high frequency cut) will work better close to walls.
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post #12 of 25
4/28/10 at 12:41pm
Get two Paradigm Titans and this: http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-cyl-pc12_nsd.cfm

Bass problem and space problem solved for ~$1100
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post #13 of 25
4/28/10 at 1:37pm
You may also want to give the Paradigm SE-1 a look. They also have a SE sub. The two SE-1 and SE sub MSRP is close to your price range. Possibly less from a dealer as a package. These are Reference+Monitor clones. Get great reviews.
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post #14 of 25
4/28/10 at 2:12pm
Monitor Audio Silver line is another worth a look.
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post #15 of 25
4/28/10 at 4:10pm
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You may also want to give the Paradigm SE-1 a look. They also have a SE sub. The two SE-1 and SE sub MSRP is close to your price range. Possibly less from a dealer as a package. These are Reference+Monitor clones. Get great reviews.

+1 on the SE1's. They can be had for $500, but i wouldn't recommend the SE sub if you like a lot of bass. Its not too powerful.

The SE1 with the Cylinder sub would work perfect
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post #16 of 25
4/28/10 at 8:45pm
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so on my lunch break i decided to forgo food and listen to some music instead. was able to listen to some older PSB B25's and some Paradigm Monitor Titans for a possible 2.1 setup. First off, i got to say that for a bookshelf, i was extremely impressed by the amount of low end the PSB put out. The Titans were definately the louder of the two (easier to drive?) and had more detailed highs while the PSB shone in the low end, but if this is for a 2.1, then i guess low end doesnt matter so much. When switching between the two, i felt that the Titans were a little bright, possibly even harsh compared to the PSB, and i was always turning down the volume when listening to the Titans. Not terrible, just in comparison to the much softer (but less defined) highs of the B25, but being 2.1 between the two id probably go with the Titans. What advantages do the SE1's have over the Titans?
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post #17 of 25
4/28/10 at 9:11pm
SE1's are a lot smaller than the Titans and will not go as low or play as loud.

The SE1's use drivers from the studio lines, just in a cheaper cabinet to keep the price down. They will be more detailed than the monitor line. And if your going to be using a sub crossed at 80hz then they will be fine.
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post #18 of 25
4/29/10 at 8:29am
Below is full test report and review of the Paradigm SE-1 and sub. Enjoy.


http://www.hometheatermag.com/compac...peaker_system/
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post #19 of 25
4/29/10 at 11:02am
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SE1 is definately next on the list to audition, and im keeping my eye out for used studio 10s. I was impressed enough with the b25 that i may try to look for a T45 or T55, i wonder if they just go lower, or are the highs cleared up a little too?
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post #20 of 25
4/30/10 at 9:33am
My JBL L890s are front ported. They sound great.
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post #21 of 25
4/30/10 at 1:32pm
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Originally Posted by omgitsoop View Post

SE1 is definately next on the list to audition, and im keeping my eye out for used studio 10s. I was impressed enough with the b25 that i may try to look for a T45 or T55, i wonder if they just go lower, or are the highs cleared up a little too?

There's a member here selling some Ascend Sierra 1's that really need a look into. Go to the "Audio For Sale" section. ccotenj is the member. Nevermind see below.



http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1245706
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post #22 of 25
5/1/10 at 1:10pm
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Originally Posted by phantom52 View Post

There's a member here selling some Ascend Sierra 1's that really need a look into. Go to the "Audio For Sale" section. ccotenj is the member. Nevermind see below.




http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1245706

saw those, for the hassle of buying 3, than trying to sell off the third wheel, id rather just buy two brand new. plus theyre rear ported. thank you for the suggestion though though

*edit* sorry now i see he has 2 for surrounds also DUH. hmmmmmmm interesting thanks for bringing that to light.
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post #23 of 25
5/1/10 at 6:55pm
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Originally Posted by omgitsoop View Post

saw those, for the hassle of buying 3, than trying to sell off the third wheel, id rather just buy two brand new. plus theyre rear ported. thank you for the suggestion though though

*edit* sorry now i see he has 2 for surrounds also DUH. hmmmmmmm interesting thanks for bringing that to light.

You may want to read this review of those speakers.

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/s...stics-sierra-1
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post #24 of 25
5/3/10 at 8:00pm
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Originally Posted by rnatalli View Post

Monitor Audio Silver line is another worth a look.

they were one of the first i listened to. i preferred the paradigms over the monitors, but theres an rs8 on audiogon that i just may jump on anyways...

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You may want to read this review of those speakers.

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/s...stics-sierra-1

i have, many times, i do worry about the rear port though, even if it is just a bookshelf...

niether of the dealers near me have the se1 or se3 to audition. i may be in LA next week so maybe ill see what i can see up there...
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post #25 of 25
5/3/10 at 8:18pm
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i may be in LA next week so maybe ill see what i can see up there...

If you end up in LA, you are more than welcome to come listen to my Sierra-1's and Rythmik F15 setup.
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