Originally Posted by mastermaybe
While I'm at it...
There's so much conflicting info all over the web re this, perhaps VOS or someone else can set the record straight:
My current thinking:
1. None of them affect 16:9 HD content, correct?
2. "Original" will send the image to the TV just as it's coming into the STB/from the broadcaster. Problem is that if the broadcaster is "stretching" 4:3 content to fill the screen there's nothing that can be done and "pillar boxing" (see below) will only further distort the image. Right?
3. "pillar box" is great, in theory- that is for channels that ARE sending out true, unstretched 4:3 content it will send it out essentially unharmed, but again for stretched 4:3 content it will only squeeze it further, distorting it further, correct?
4. "Stretch" is junk and only really useful for someone near blindness or another dead-set on maximizing every pixel on their display. Correct?
5. "Crop". Nearly as bad as "stretch" as far as receiving an unaltered, entire-image to-your-display is concened. No?
6. Final question: seeing virtually every SD channel I find fills the screen under "original" does that mean that virtually all broadcasters/channels are braodcasting/sending out stretched 4:3 content? Because, afterall, "orginal" should send out pillar boxed 4:3 content if indeed that's what's coming into the STB, correct?
I appreciate greatly a final word on this. Again, I read at least a half dozen "voices of god" on the matter and all of them differed from one another.
My inlination is this:
1. Turn of "native" to save channel switching time and ONLY select 1080i.
2. Use original and live with the stretched content being sent by broadcasters.
Unless if course I'm going wrong somewhere and there is an incorrect setting on my kuro that's causing the SD content to fill the screen when "original" is selected on the HR-22.
- format is directly related to the TV ratio setting. With 4:3 then it affects HD, and conversely with 16:9 it affects SD.
- Original doesn't add anything to anything. Now what you need to check is what for TV settings are, since these need to be compatible as they can/do distort the image the same as the receiver's settings can.
[part 2] if the broadcaster is stretching 4:3 to fit their HD channel, there isn't anything that can be done in the receiver. Some TV's allow format changes with HD, and if yours does, then changing the TV will "squish" the image back to 4:3.
- again if this is an SD channel and you've selected 16:9, pillar box is added in the receiver.
- stretch is basically pointless
- crop has some use. Some SD is airing 16:9 programming, but it has letterbox from them and the receiver will add pillar box, ending up with "window box". Crop fills the screen, without distortion.
- this is due to how your TV setting are for 4:3 content. It sounds like you have "full" set as the default.
There is no "one setting" that is correct for everyone, so you need to get familiar with BOTH your TVs settings and the receiver's settings, "and then" pick the ones that YOU LIKE.
What I use on a TV that has a native 1080p display and a better scaler than the receiver:
Native on and all resolutions selected. All scaling is done by the TV.
The normal "format" for the TV is set to full for widescreen.
The receiver normally is set to pillarbox [widescreen].
All scaling is done by the TV to fit the screen size and there is no distortion of SD programing.
Should I find an HD channel that is being "screwed up" by the broadcaster, I change the TV format from full to standard [and then back when I'm done watching this program]
The TV is set for "zoom" of 4:3, so when SD is really 16:9, I change the receiver's format to original [where it's sending true 4:3] and the TV automatically fills the screen. This too needs to be changed at the end of the program, as it clip the next program if it's in 4:3 and I can't tell in the zoom mode.
So once I have the TV setup to my liking, I "merely" cycle through pillar box and original formats on the receiver, as needed for SD content and never watch HD stretched anymore [ha ha]
The second and a half to use native isn't an issue here as the benefits of having the TV do the scaling is preferred.
Someone else may not see the benefits, and not use native, which "for them" is as correct as my settings are for me.