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post #1921 of 2014
Not sure if this has been mentioned here,I did a search and nothing stood out, but I am experiencing a lot of popping noises on HBO primarily with my DVR. HR24-500. It occurs on loud action scenes mostly. Is there any fox for this with the DVR or is it HBO's problem?
post #1922 of 2014
I believe I remember seeing a thread about this over at DBS Forum if you want to check there. I don't know details since I didn't read it and don't have the issue.
post #1923 of 2014
There are a couple threads on this in the HDTV technical section. It appears to be an issue with HBO/Cinemax as it is happening on other providers like Comcast and TWC as well.
post #1924 of 2014
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Originally Posted by rad 
Yes, you can find USED HD DVR's on E*Bay for the prices you mentioned. Please let me know if you can find a brand new owned HR24 for $300, I'm sure some folks would be interested in a new receiver for that price.


Not brand new, but what would you say re an HR24 manufactured 7 / 2012 that sold for $265. + shipping ? (Assuming it's in great condition as described, which it appears to be.) Wondering how much use it could have seen, under the circumstances. Certainly a hell of a lot less than did the non-DVR refurb D* sent me, awhile back.

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Originally Posted by Beerstalker View Post

Like Joed32 said, they HR24 will work with any kind of setup, unlike the H25, and HR34/HR44's which require a SWM setup.

You will need a Slimline dish with either a 3LNB or 5LNB head if you want to get HD programming, but I'm guessing if you have an HR23 already you should have that. What you need to figure out is if you have a SWM setup or not, and if you have a Whole Home DVR setup. How many coax cables are attached to the back of the HR23?

If there is two then that means you have a legacy system, which in turn means you have to get BBC adapters for both coax inputs on the HR24 before you hook it up (the HR23 and H23 are the only HD receivers that don't need BBCs on a legacy setup).

If there is only one then you have a SWM setup. If you have a SWM setup then the next thing we need to know is if you have Whole Home DVR service. If you do there should be a small DECA adapter hooked up to the coax line, and then another coax and ethernet cables running from the DECA adapter to the HR23. If you have that it needs to be removed and the coax hooked up directly to the HR24 (because the HR24 has a DECA adapter internally, and won't work with an external one). If you don't have Whole Home Service or a DECA adapter then you can just hook up the single cable to the HR23 and you should be pretty much set.

The used receiver I bought came with the B-Band connectors, but I'm hoping I won't be needing them. I don't plan on climbing up to the roof to inspect the dish / head particulars. (Maybe a good pair of binoculars will do for that ?) I seem to recall from before that one could pull up diagnostic screens revealing what your firmware level was, and various other details. Would that show SWM or LNB type info ?

Just waiting on the new access cards now. Once they get here, probably all of the key questions I've raised in this thread will have demonstrable answers.

[EDIT: Just recalled something I had forgotten to ask. When the original install of the HR23s was done, I was told that a particular receiver / location was "the brain" in this setup. I can imagine what that might mean, but I never noticed any functional aspect to this. If it is of any importance, what does this involve, in terms of setup details ? Again, there is no whole-home arrangement here, nor is one desired.]
Edited by Seeker47 - 5/2/13 at 4:47pm
post #1925 of 2014
Does anyone know whats the largest external 'eSATA' hard drive anybrand makes, that you can use with directv hd dvr (hr24-500). Is 2tb the largest currently available.

Thanks, eh.
post #1926 of 2014
I found that 2tb is the max that works with directv dvr & esata external drives.

This is the same exact drive in the hr34 (1tb)

WD20EURS (2tb) is the better drive on the market to use with dvr. It can be used for the hr24 or hr34 directv dvr. Just need to grab a esata drive enclosure (get a 3Gbps one...).
post #1927 of 2014
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Originally Posted by Robinson ------ View Post

I found that 2tb is the max that works with directv dvr & esata external drives.

This is the same exact drive in the hr34 (1tb)

WD20EURS (2tb) is the better drive on the market to use with dvr. It can be used for the hr24 or hr34 directv dvr. Just need to grab a esata drive enclosure (get a 3Gbps one...).
The HR2x has a 2tb limit, while the Genie doesn't.
post #1928 of 2014
Do you know if I can copy the current dvr list on internal hr24 to the external drive, so I can always have those recordings & the new ones I put in the external drive.

Also, will I always be able to keep my recordings on the external drive, and go from dvr to dvr (of mine...). That no matter what I ll always have my recordings in the external drive & it wont reset (whenever I go to another dvr in the future...) and wipe out the recordings on the external drive.

Thanks, eh.
post #1929 of 2014
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Originally Posted by Robinson ------ View Post

Do you know if I can copy the current dvr list on internal hr24 to the external drive, so I can always have those recordings & the new ones I put in the external drive.

Also, will I always be able to keep my recordings on the external drive, and go from dvr to dvr (of mine...). That no matter what I ll always have my recordings in the external drive & it wont reset (whenever I go to another dvr in the future...) and wipe out the recordings on the external drive.

Thanks, eh.
There is a way to copy the internal to and external [other] drive, but it takes some effort and editing of drive files.
Recordings are still being coded to the hardware, so a loaded eSATA won't play old recordings, if moved to another DVR.
post #1930 of 2014
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Originally Posted by veryoldschool View Post

There is a way to copy the internal to and external [other] drive, but it takes some effort and editing of drive files.
Recordings are still being coded to the hardware, so a loaded eSATA won't play old recordings, if moved to another DVR.

Directv told me that I could copy the internal to another dvr (hr34) with an external drive. I want to have all of my recordings on the external so I can play them on whatever dvr I have (directv dvrs only...).

Im not sure what 'a loaded esata wont play old recordings' means. I can copy the internal to a external, but not play them on the 'new' dvr. or That I can copy them but only play them if I download them on the 'new' dvr internal...

Thanks, eh.
post #1931 of 2014
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Originally Posted by Robinson ------ View Post

Directv told me that I could copy the internal to another dvr (hr34) with an external drive. I want to have all of my recordings on the external so I can play them on whatever dvr I have (directv dvrs only...).

Im not sure what 'a loaded esata wont play old recordings' means. I can copy the internal to a external, but not play them on the 'new' dvr. or That I can copy them but only play them if I download them on the 'new' dvr internal...

Thanks, eh.

They can only be copied from one drive to another with a great deal of effort by an expert, not just anyone, and they will never play on another DVR. The simple answer is no. Could someone devise a way to do it? Yes they can and have done it but they are way above my level of expertise and probably yours.
post #1932 of 2014
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Originally Posted by joed32 View Post

They can only be copied from one drive to another with a great deal of effort by an expert, not just anyone, and they will never play on another DVR. The simple answer is no. Could someone devise a way to do it? Yes they can and have done it but they are way above my level of expertise and probably yours.

Would I be able to play the 'new' external drive recordings on other dvrs down the road... or again only on the dvr that the external drive was plugged into the first time it was used. I better play all recordings that are on 'new' external drive on other dvrs down the road (or that means you have to get an external for every dvr you get over the years & not be able to play your library of recordings...). Why is there not some kind of recording system for dvds/tv-satellite recordings like there was for vcr tapes. Its a better technology.

Thanks, eh.
post #1933 of 2014
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Originally Posted by Robinson ------ View Post

Would I be able to play the 'new' external drive recordings on other dvrs down the road... or again only on the dvr that the external drive was plugged into the first time it was used. I better play all recordings that are on 'new' external drive on other dvrs down the road (or that means you have to get an external for every dvr you get over the years & not be able to play your library of recordings...). Why is there not some kind of recording system for dvds/tv-satellite recordings like there was for vcr tapes. Its a better technology.

Thanks, eh.
External/internal ALL recordings get coded to the hardware. Move a drive to different hardware doesn't allow playback of recordings.

"With great skill" you can copy/clone a drive to a larger drive and play recordings if it's the same hardware/unit.

The only way around the encoding is to play the recording and recapture it without the encoding.
post #1934 of 2014
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Originally Posted by Robinson ------ View Post

Would I be able to play the 'new' external drive recordings on other dvrs down the road... or again only on the dvr that the external drive was plugged into the first time it was used. I better play all recordings that are on 'new' external drive on other dvrs down the road (or that means you have to get an external for every dvr you get over the years & not be able to play your library of recordings...). Why is there not some kind of recording system for dvds/tv-satellite recordings like there was for vcr tapes. Its a better technology.

Thanks, eh.

There is no way to do what you want because the TV and movie industry has worked hard to make sure it's not available. The DVR is a time-shift device, not a way of archiving recordings. Remember, you don't own the programming, the studios/networks own it.

The movie industry lost control of the VCR (google the "betamax case") and they have made sure it does not happen again. Ironically, if the industry had won the original case, we would never have had VCRs and the movie studios would have lost out on all that revenue.
post #1935 of 2014
Wait, Tivos do decrypt their recordings, for viewing on PCs, don't they? So it seems the DVR manufacturer has some discretion on what kind of things they allow.

Of course Tivo Stream just reencodes the analog output, I believe, for being able to load onto mobile devices. That is what the Direct TV Nomad does.
post #1936 of 2014
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Originally Posted by texasbrit View Post

There is no way to do what you want because the TV and movie industry has worked hard to make sure it's not available. The DVR is a time-shift device, not a way of archiving recordings. Remember, you don't own the programming, the studios/networks own it.

The movie industry lost control of the VCR (google the "betamax case") and they have made sure it does not happen again. Ironically, if the industry had won the original case, we would never have had VCRs and the movie studios would have lost out on all that revenue.

So, the only thing an external drive is going to do it make it 2t instead of 500. It can only be used on my current dvr. I cant get the external drive, use it as the 'drive' with my current dvr, then in a few years upgrade to the genie & use the external drive with the 'new' dvr genie.

That would mean that everyone will not have their recorded stuff after their current dvr doesnt work anymore. That kinda of sucks. Then whats the point in having more when you cant keep it longer than the life of the dvr.

Would one be able to use it with a 'new' dvr (same company directv...) based on the creditcard that goes in the slot int the front next to the reset button. That would make sense...

Thanks, eh.
post #1937 of 2014
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Originally Posted by Robinson ------ View Post

That would mean that everyone will not have their recorded stuff after their current dvr doesnt work anymore. That kinda of sucks. Then whats the point in having more when you cant keep it longer than the life of the dvr.

Would one be able to use it with a 'new' dvr (same company directv...) based on the creditcard that goes in the slot int the front next to the reset button. That would make sense...

Thanks, eh.
If the DVR dies, so go your recordings. Yes it sucks if/when it happens to you. Maybe I've been lucky, but I got 5 years out of my HR20, and then they were upgraded before failing.

The days of swapping access cards between receivers are long gone.
"It would be nice if" DirecTV choose to code the recordings to the account, but they don't currently, and their "view" is DVRs aren't intended for long term archiving.
post #1938 of 2014
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Originally Posted by veryoldschool View Post

If the DVR dies, so go your recordings. Yes it sucks if/when it happens to you. Maybe I've been lucky, but I got 5 years out of my HR20, and then they were upgraded before failing.

The days of swapping access cards between receivers are long gone.
"It would be nice if" DirecTV choose to code the recordings to the account, but they don't currently, and their "view" is DVRs aren't intended for long term archiving.

Ok. Thanks. So I would only add the the size of 500 to 2000 for hard drive (you could keep 500 on internal & have 2000 on external... just have to unplug/reset to go back and forth between the two...). Well at least you dont have to keep what Netflix has on the hard drive (dvr). Netflix saves the day with this.

They better always have movies on disks. Even when were up to 64K Huge Definition.
post #1939 of 2014
I just replaced an HR24-100, that had the fan or hard drive running all the time even when off, and temps in the 115 degree range, with the new Genie system. I am completely blown away with the difference between the two receivers. The Dolby Digital sound is head and shoulders better than the old unit and the picture is brighter and sharper, also. Perhaps the old one was failing and I didn't know it but as of now I couldn't be happier with the new system.

I also was getting occasional audio dropouts with the HR24 and haven't noticed any in 2 days of use.
Edited by Patrick Murphy - 5/24/13 at 5:38am
post #1940 of 2014
Does anyone else have a problem recording 5 shows at once? a few times I've had 3 shows set up to record at the same time, and its forcing me to either cancel a show, or change the channel of what I am watching (not one of the recorded shows)

I have everything set up to start and end on time. I have noticed though that when I record shows back to back, there always seems to be a 1-2 minute overlap, so i get the first minute of the 2nd show on the first recording, and the last minute of the 1st show on the second recording

Its also frustrating that it seems to be picking the show with the highest preference to give me the option of recording or not, and since I'm watching playoff hockey there is no way I am taking a few minutes to go through all the nessacary menus to manually delete the show I dont want recorded smile.gif
post #1941 of 2014
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Originally Posted by Ragnrok23 View Post

Does anyone else have a problem recording 5 shows at once? a few times I've had 3 shows set up to record at the same time, and its forcing me to either cancel a show, or change the channel of what I am watching (not one of the recorded shows)

I have everything set up to start and end on time. I have noticed though that when I record shows back to back, there always seems to be a 1-2 minute overlap, so i get the first minute of the 2nd show on the first recording, and the last minute of the 1st show on the second recording

Its also frustrating that it seems to be picking the show with the highest preference to give me the option of recording or not, and since I'm watching playoff hockey there is no way I am taking a few minutes to go through all the nessacary menus to manually delete the show I dont want recorded smile.gif
I haven't had a problem recording 5 shows, "but" I have turned Genie recommendations off, as it can use a tuner or two.
The networks like to screw with the start/stop times and this can cause problems when one ends a min or two after the hour.
The 1-2 mins "overrun" is what DirecTV added sometime back, and it's called "soft padding" to help make sure the whole show gets recorded. "If it can" it will start early and finish late, which you see with two shows on the same channel back to back.
If you start a recording, you may find you can rewind a couple of mins earlier.
post #1942 of 2014
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Originally Posted by Ragnrok23 View Post

Does anyone else have a problem recording 5 shows at once? a few times I've had 3 shows set up to record at the same time, and its forcing me to either cancel a show, or change the channel of what I am watching (not one of the recorded shows)
I've only had the need to record 5 shows twice in the year or so I've had the HR34, and it worked fine.

One "gotcha", though, is if you have the AM21 connected for OTA, you can only record two OTA channels at the same time. More than that will invoke the same dialog as if you are recording more than 5 satellite channels. And, despite having two OTA tuners and 5 satellite, you still can only record a total of 5 shows at the same time.
post #1943 of 2014
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Originally Posted by nabsltd View Post

I've only had the need to record 5 shows twice in the year or so I've had the HR34, and it worked fine.

One "gotcha", though, is if you have the AM21 connected for OTA, you can only record two OTA channels at the same time. More than that will invoke the same dialog as if you are recording more than 5 satellite channels. And, despite having two OTA tuners and 5 satellite, you still can only record a total of 5 shows at the same time.

I actually wasnt even trying to record 5 shows. I was watching a cable channel, had cable channels set to record, and one network show

I had the option of changing the channel, or cancelling the network show- it's the second time I've been forced to choose in the last few weeks
post #1944 of 2014
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Originally Posted by Ragnrok23 View Post

I actually wasnt even trying to record 5 shows. I was watching a cable channel, had cable channels set to record, and one network show

I had the option of changing the channel, or cancelling the network show- it's the second time I've been forced to choose in the last few weeks

Do you have C31/C41 Genie mini clients in the house? If so they could be using the other tuners, which is why you are having the issue.

If you don't have any mini clients, then do you have any other DVRs or receivers in the house? Could it be possible you somehow get set up with too many tuners on a SWM LNB, or on a single leg from a SWM 16, so your Genie can't fully use all 5 tuners?
post #1945 of 2014
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Originally Posted by Beerstalker View Post

Do you have C31/C41 Genie mini clients in the house? If so they could be using the other tuners, which is why you are having the issue.

If you don't have any mini clients, then do you have any other DVRs or receivers in the house? Could it be possible you somehow get set up with too many tuners on a SWM LNB, or on a single leg from a SWM 16, so your Genie can't fully use all 5 tuners?

No, I currently only have 1 TV set up in the house- it really doesnt make any sense to me
post #1946 of 2014
About my only suggestion then is to reboot your Genie twice in 20 minutes to flush the guide data and get it to relaod everything. It might just be a glitch.

Otherwise I recommned going to DBSTalk.com and looking around in the DirecTV threads there. There are all kinds of threads on the Genie DVRs and their firmware, maybe others are having the same issues and have figured out a reason (I haven't been on there in a couple weeks so I don't know if this is common right now or not).
post #1947 of 2014
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Originally Posted by Beerstalker View Post

About my only suggestion then is to reboot your Genie twice in 20 minutes to flush the guide data and get it to relaod everything. It might just be a glitch.

Otherwise I recommned going to DBSTalk.com and looking around in the DirecTV threads there. There are all kinds of threads on the Genie DVRs and their firmware, maybe others are having the same issues and have figured out a reason (I haven't been on there in a couple weeks so I don't know if this is common right now or not).

Thanks!
post #1948 of 2014
My genie DVR was messed up and it would only record shows for a minute and then stop automatically and all I got was partial recordings so plus it took forever to download VOD on demand programs.


Directv sent me a new DVR through Fed Ex and I got it yesterday and it has several scratches on the top and some marks.

I assume I got a refurbished unit?

I paid full price last Sept 2012 for a new Genie unit and then this happens.

I tried recording a hour show from HBO on demand at 5pm and it finished downloading after 11pm.
post #1949 of 2014
The IR on my new Genie keeps crashing. It only accepts a few commands and then it dies. This is defeating the concept of a single Harmony remote. Rf works fine.

Fixed it.
Edited by wingnut4772 - 6/11/13 at 5:51pm
post #1950 of 2014
I have the HR24/100 and about a month ago I connected an external HDD to it. Everything went fine, I unplugged the DVR, connected the drive and powered up the DVR.
Everything works fine until there is a software update or I have a power interruption. If one of these happen, the DVR doesn't connect to the external drive, it connects the internal drive. I have to unplug the DVR at least 4 or 5 times and let it boot up before I finally get the external drive to connect again. Is there some special trick to getting it to connect again? Last night we had a power interruption and it took 5 times before I got it to recognize the external drive again.
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