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post #11491 of 11893
8/26/11 at 12:33pm
While I have no doubt that there are a lot of factors that contribute to lag and will be bothersome until they are improved, I contend that BLOPs is the major contributor to "perceptible lag". (someone earlier used that term and I like it)

For the past few nights me and my COD buddy have been playing World at War exclusively. The amazing thing is that we love to cuss & complain, but not one time, over a few nights now, has either of us yelled "WTF that's BS!". Not once. We *do* notice who the host is because that person will have a slight edge over both of us, but it's slight and nowhere near impossible to get a kill on him.

BLOPs has become a total Crapbasket. We had to switch games because I was getting hoarse from all the yelling.

To me, this indicates that my hardware and network connection are ok. The only thing that's different is the code.

You could argue that we're being teamed up with different folks in WaW, and that's true, but there's less than 10,000 people playing it, odds are that we're getting teamed up with people that have *higher* round-trip network lag than when we do on BLOPs. It should be worse, not better.

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post #11492 of 11893
8/26/11 at 12:42pm
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This test has spawned a new question. We both noticed the difference in the recoil of the guns between the two systems. Example my silenced Famas in the living room shoots far more smoothly than the system in my son's bedroom. In the bedroom when I pull the trigger it seems to jump up and to the left and that causes me to try and pull it back on target which by then I have totally missed the guy I was shooting at and end up dead. Could lag effect the reaction of the guns during firing?

It's my understanding that animations like that are handled locally and wouldn't be affected by lag. Did you use the same controller in your test?

How's your network cable run? I have two systems set up. One of them had a lot of intermittent network trouble; choppy sometimes, network icon would briefly flash on screen often, etc.

Turned out that I'd run my CAT5 parallel to a bundle of romex (120V AC) for about 6 feet on the run to that system. I assumed that the fact that ethernet uses differential signaling would make it immune to interference. I was wrong. I re-routed the cable and all is well. It worked good enough that probably only a percentage of packets got hosed so it technically worked, but poorly.

I'm not suggesting that bad cable routing (or bad cable termination if you put the connectors on yourself) is the culprit, but it's worth a look if you don't know for sure.

Cary
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post #11493 of 11893
8/26/11 at 1:03pm
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My GF and I ran a little test yesterday and we came to the conclusion that:

1. Both of us playing 2 different boxes in two different rooms causes the most problems. She didn't understand why so I explained it as being like a two inch drain pipe and opening one valve of water lets it flow smoothly but when you open a second valve there is too much water trying to get through the pipe and it can't move the water fast enough and it starts to back up and that back up is our lag.

2. For some reason the box in my son's room is effected more by this than the one in the living room. The exbox in my son's room is the very first run which got the RROD about 2 years ago and was fixed. The one in the living room is the arcade version with HDMI. We can be in the same lobby and same game but I can hear her (arcade version) get in the game seconds before I am (original version) in the game.

This test has spawned a new question. We both noticed the difference in the recoil of the guns between the two systems. Example my silenced Famas in the living room shoots far more smoothly than the system in my son's bedroom. In the bedroom when I pull the trigger it seems to jump up and to the left and that causes me to try and pull it back on target which by then I have totally missed the guy I was shooting at and end up dead. Could lag effect the reaction of the guns during firing?

That's all just local animation. Network conditions have nothing to do with the direction the gun actually recoils, thats all determined client side. I am 1000% certain on this.

The only possible differentiating factor I can think of could be a difference in input lag on your two displays, causing you to squeeze off more shots on one than the other.
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post #11494 of 11893
8/26/11 at 4:49pm
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post
It's probably measurable, but i doubt anyone would really notice it.
My whole point was that the lag of individual things alone don't seem major, but when they all come together, it becomes noticeable.

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Maybe the rapid fire is another issue? Thinking you should've won in a situation and you lose because they're cheating, and you auto think it's your internet or whatever? Mm.
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post #11495 of 11893
8/26/11 at 10:44pm
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I gave the Scorpion a go last night for the first time ever. First of all it's NOT a 2 hit kill unless you're right next to the guy. I'm talking stabbing distance. From any further out it's at least 4 hits to kill. Maybe it's the lag monster and those of you claiming 2 hits have the ol' host advantage but that was certainly not my experience. That being said, it's still a pretty good gun and I managed to go positive with it overall.

it's a 50/20, but it's only a 50 up to 5 meters, which is about 15 feet. which is why you literally have to right on top of someone to get a 2 shot kill...

me personally, i'd rather use the MP5K with a silencer and extended clip, MAC11 with grip and extended clip, or the MPL with a silencer and dual mags. i know the MP5K isn't that great of a gun, but i've had some of my best 30+ kill TDM games with it, both silenced and regular. it's one of those guns that with the extended clip, you can actually kill up to 4 people at once without reloading or dying, which is rare for an SMG other than the AK-74U...
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post #11496 of 11893
8/27/11 at 7:33am
Played my final game of black ops ever this week: domination with Olympia, ballistic knife, tomahawk, flash bangs, claymore and lightweight/sleight of hand/tactical mask-- oh, and no killstreaks. Figured I'd go out in style! Then, when it was over, I cleared all my data, deleted my game/saves, packaged the game back into it's package... And lit it on fire. Yep. Trading it in wouldn't have given me the emotional closure I needed.

Thanks for the memories 3arc. Not.

Srsly tho, 3arc, go eff yourself.

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post #11497 of 11893
8/27/11 at 10:23am
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Played my final game of black ops ever this week: domination with Olympia, ballistic knife, tomahawk, flash bangs, claymore and lightweight/sleight of hand/tactical mask-- oh, and no killstreaks. Figured I'd go out in style! Then, when it was over, I cleared all my data, deleted my game/saves, packaged the game back into it's package... And lit it on fire. Yep. Trading it in wouldn't have given me the emotional closure I needed.

Thanks for the memories 3arc. Not.

Srsly tho, 3arc, go eff yourself.


It's about time. On behalf of this thread, I thank YOU. Now you won't have any reason to come and spew nonsense here.
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post #11498 of 11893
8/27/11 at 10:57am
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Thanks for the memories 3arc. Not.




One troll down, one to go.
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post #11499 of 11893
8/27/11 at 11:34am
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One troll down, one to go.

Oh jammy, you bastard you. I'll miss you too, sweetie. I know you don't mean anything by your barbs-- after all, you calling me a troll is like one whore calling another whore a slut.
Give my hugs and kisses to the little one's!
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post #11500 of 11893
8/27/11 at 11:39am
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It's about time. On behalf of this thread, I thank YOU. Now you won't have any reason to come and spew nonsense here.

So long bb, it's been an "experience"! Waa!
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post #11501 of 11893
8/27/11 at 6:53pm
Totally random question. I FINALLY upgraded my day 1 Xbox 360 (had been fixed 3 times for RROD). It was giving me disc drive errors and HDD errors every other day seemingly so I bit the bullet and bought a 250 GB Kinect system.

I am mainly playing Black Ops right now. I have a beast internet connection so I never really had much trouble with lag.....but with my new Xbox I could almost immediately tell COD was even more responsive. I wasn't even showing a full 4 bars connection but the bullets in every gun seemed to respond instantly. Is there any logical explanation for this? Was my old Xbox hardware actually slowing down my online connection somehow? I'm certainly not complaining, but had I known this I would have upgraded a long time ago!
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post #11502 of 11893
8/28/11 at 8:02am
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Totally random question. I FINALLY upgraded my day 1 Xbox 360 (had been fixed 3 times for RROD). It was giving me disc drive errors and HDD errors every other day seemingly so I bit the bullet and bought a 250 GB Kinect system.

I am mainly playing Black Ops right now. I have a beast internet connection so I never really had much trouble with lag.....but with my new Xbox I could almost immediately tell COD was even more responsive. I wasn't even showing a full 4 bars connection but the bullets in every gun seemed to respond instantly. Is there any logical explanation for this? Was my old Xbox hardware actually slowing down my online connection somehow? I'm certainly not complaining, but had I known this I would have upgraded a long time ago!

I bought a 4GB Kinect bundle this morning, and I previously had a fat 360, so I'll be interested to see if I have the same experience!
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post #11503 of 11893
8/29/11 at 6:54am
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Originally Posted by FIVE ONE SIX View Post

it's a 50/20, but it's only a 50 up to 5 meters, which is about 15 feet. which is why you literally have to right on top of someone to get a 2 shot kill...

me personally, i'd rather use the MP5K with a silencer and extended clip, MAC11 with grip and extended clip, or the MPL with a silencer and dual mags. i know the MP5K isn't that great of a gun, but i've had some of my best 30+ kill TDM games with it, both silenced and regular. it's one of those guns that with the extended clip, you can actually kill up to 4 people at once without reloading or dying, which is rare for an SMG other than the AK-74U...

Dunno about you guys, but 50 at close range is awesome for someone who can't knife for ****. I tend to shoot everyone, and knife only when the enemy is turned around. I believe I'm good at CoD, but fail horribly at knifing.

Also, MPL can't have dual mags... that's an assault rifle only attachment. Most MPL users use Silencer/Rapid Fire.

Try the Kiparis with Extended Mags. Fantastic.

I'm gonna try the MP5 again.... and see what combo of attachments I can use to actually make it worthwhile for me.
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post #11504 of 11893
8/29/11 at 7:14am
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Originally Posted by Davio View Post

Totally random question. I FINALLY upgraded my day 1 Xbox 360 (had been fixed 3 times for RROD). It was giving me disc drive errors and HDD errors every other day seemingly so I bit the bullet and bought a 250 GB Kinect system.

I am mainly playing Black Ops right now. I have a beast internet connection so I never really had much trouble with lag.....but with my new Xbox I could almost immediately tell COD was even more responsive. I wasn't even showing a full 4 bars connection but the bullets in every gun seemed to respond instantly. Is there any logical explanation for this? Was my old Xbox hardware actually slowing down my online connection somehow? I'm certainly not complaining, but had I known this I would have upgraded a long time ago!

I have the same experience as you. My day one fat 360 seems harder to play than the new arcade version over HDMI. Not sure why though. The CAT5 cables are the same length but the HDMI cord for the new 360 is 25 feet long so I thought it might cause some problems but it is far more responsive than the old fat one using R/G/B or the PC input.
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post #11505 of 11893
8/29/11 at 7:24am
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Dunno about you guys, but 50 at close range is awesome for someone who can't knife for ****. I tend to shoot everyone, and knife only when the enemy is turned around. I believe I'm good at CoD, but fail horribly at knifing.

Also, MPL can't have dual mags... that's an assault rifle only attachment. Most MPL users use Silencer/Rapid Fire.

Try the Kiparis with Extended Mags. Fantastic.

I'm gonna try the MP5 again.... and see what combo of attachments I can use to actually make it worthwhile for me.

MPL is the only SMG that has dual mags.
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post #11506 of 11893
8/29/11 at 7:37am
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Command is poaching our players, PJ!!

[captain kirk]CONMANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!![/Kirk]



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http://khaaan.com/

LOL - couldnt resist... (turn your volume down a bit if at work...)
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post #11507 of 11893
8/29/11 at 7:54am
Command actually played some BC2 this weekend. I could be mistaken but I think he was having fun! Command, Buc, Jammy, and myself had quite the win streak, and won the gold squad pin every match for quite some time. Not easy victories, but we had great teamwork and pulled it off each time.
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post #11508 of 11893
8/29/11 at 9:43am
/lies all lies!!!!
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post #11509 of 11893
8/29/11 at 9:51am
You know what's missing from BC2?

















Dubbin!

There's some shotguns with your name on them. And get this, SLUGS, so you can shoot people across the map with your shotty!
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post #11510 of 11893
8/29/11 at 10:38am
Shhhhhh I don't own bfbc2. What you talkin bout Willis? Yeah we wrecked them guys in that game as well, that's the only way I'll play if we have a squad of us. Shotguns way overpowered in that game, yup I said it, just cause they raped me. Great games bloppin as usual me pulling host all games sure does make it easy.
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post #11511 of 11893
8/29/11 at 10:42am
was good to be back playing some BLOPS on Friday. To bad the lag was so bad.
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post #11512 of 11893
8/29/11 at 3:05pm
mighty i think it was because we were playing ground war which has always been like that next time ill break off and start a separate party to avoid that.
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post #11513 of 11893
8/29/11 at 4:05pm
I'll play tonite after halftime of the Jets/Giants game
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post #11514 of 11893
8/30/11 at 5:46am
Kabob, sorry I didn't get on with you last night. I had sworn this game off permanently, but when I got your message I was ready to make an exception. But I had just gotten off for the night and my wife got a hold of me. Next time!
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post #11515 of 11893
8/30/11 at 6:40am

Almost a triple first blood
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post #11516 of 11893
8/30/11 at 7:01am
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Originally Posted by PJ_Rage View Post

Kabob, sorry I didn't get on with you last night. I had sworn this game off permanently, but when I got your message I was ready to make an exception. But I had just gotten off for the night and my wife got a hold of me. Next time!

Come back to the light my child..
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post #11517 of 11893
8/30/11 at 8:38am
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Come back to the light my child..

Never! Come over to the dark side
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post #11518 of 11893
8/30/11 at 8:40am
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Originally Posted by PJ_Rage View Post

Never! Come over to the dark side

Normally I wouldnt care man. But Madden'12 should drop today, Gears of War in Sept, BF3 in Oct and MW3 in Nov.

Theres a good chance I'm buying all 4 of those games (Madden is already paid for).. so theres just no good reason for me to go out and purchase BFBC2 right now, with whats ahead.
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post #11519 of 11893
8/30/11 at 8:59am
this may be silly to you gents, but I did some changing to the dns portion in my router and on my Xboxes. We run 3 and often suffer some lag issues especially when my wife and I are playing together.

Anyway, I switched the router and the Xboxes to 4.2.2.2 and 4.2.2.3.

What was laggy at first, after the switch was significantly better. Just thought I would throw that out. Will check again tonight.
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post #11520 of 11893
8/30/11 at 9:02am
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Originally Posted by cubdenno View Post

this may be silly to you gents, but I did some changing to the dns portion in my router and on my Xboxes. We run 3 and often suffer some lag issues especially when my wife and I are playing together.

Anyway, I switched the router and the Xboxes to 4.2.2.2 and 4.2.2.3.

What was laggy at first, after the switch was significantly better. Just thought I would throw that out. Will check again tonight.

There is no way that changing any sort of DNS or IP address settings can improve your latency.
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