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post #11641 of 11893
9/12/11 at 7:27am
I find it more satisfying to be "In the fight" then to be on the outside of it camping my kill streaks.. With hard line its insanely easy to get to the carepackage... 4 kills..... Way easy.
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post #11642 of 11893
9/12/11 at 9:18am
Agreed the lower killstreaks + hardline is ridiculously awesome for your team. 2 kills = UAV, 3 kills = Counter UAV or SAM, 4 kills = Care Package.

Having 2 players of just "decent" skill running those setups can keep a UAV in the air the entire time for your team, while making sure the enemy never gets to use their radar. Flipping the care packages, will only lead to even more deadliness.

As with anything there should be balance tho. Have the bottom 4 players run the lower killstreaks. And the top 2 members of your team run the higher ones like Blackbird, CG, Dogs. That way you cover all bases..
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post #11643 of 11893
9/13/11 at 8:50am
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Originally Posted by rudubb1n View Post

I find it more satisfying to be "In the fight" then to be on the outside of it camping my kill streaks.. With hard line its insanely easy to get to the carepackage... 4 kills..... Way easy.

Has anyone had trouble getting the carepackage once it drops? I have had numerous instances where I run up to it and I have no "X" to capture the CP. Many times I need to back away and try again, but often times you are dead at this point.
Last night a CP dropped on Zoo Demo, ran over to it, no symbol of what was inside and I could not capture it!! It then disappeared and I was left with bubb-kiss. BLOPS is crazy sometimes!

I do not like them
in a match.
I do not like them
with a catch.
I do not like them
when they lag.
I do not like a cooked
frag.
I do not like Black Ops Netcode.
I do not like them, in any mode.


Would you play them
on Xbox?
Would you play them
in your socks?

Not on Xbox.
Not in my socks.
Not in a match.
Not with a catch.
I would not play them Xbox or PS3.
I would not play them on the Wii.
I would not play Black Ops bad code.
I do not like them, in that mode.
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post #11644 of 11893
9/13/11 at 8:55am
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Agreed the lower killstreaks + hardline is ridiculously awesome for your team. 2 kills = UAV, 3 kills = Counter UAV or SAM, 4 kills = Care Package.

Having 2 players of just "decent" skill running those setups can keep a UAV in the air the entire time for your team, while making sure the enemy never gets to use their radar. Flipping the care packages, will only lead to even more deadliness.

As with anything there should be balance tho. Have the bottom 4 players run the lower killstreaks. And the top 2 members of your team run the higher ones like Blackbird, CG, Dogs. That way you cover all bases..

Yeah, that's usually what I run...3,4,5, although swap napalm for the CP. I usually run flak jacket over hardline most of the time since it's basically a prerequisite for capping objectives. I'm just way too aggressive to be getting high killstreaks.

Definitely looking forward to the support tier in MW3 so I can finally see some higher streaks.
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post #11645 of 11893
9/13/11 at 10:32am
I just want to dispel the notion that you cannot be aggressive and earn high killstreaks. I consider myself to be a crazy rusher, almost mindless. Although I think instinct just kicks in and I move towards the most effective area to A) Get Kills and B) Not Be Killed... so its not necessarily mindless. My general mindset is that the easiest way to die is getting flanked - when you have no control of the engagement - and the best counter I know to that is to stay moving forward. You know exactly what is behind you and it is much more difficult to be blindsided that way. So I stay moving and stay aware of the spawns / minimap.

Basically - If I'm not running its because I'm planting/capping a flag/shooting someone. I'm certainly an objective player, running 8,9,11 killstreaks and capping flags. The idea that running 8,9,11 means you're not a team player is bogus as well, IMO (If the other team is dead they cant cap flags/kill my team mates/ etc) .

There's nothing wrong with effectively controlling a certain area of the map and "camping it" as they say - its just not my style. But, in my opinion, in Black Ops, it is a less effective way to gain high killstreaks, get better @ gunfights (ie improve reaction time/aim/etc), to win games. The more you're moving the wider range of engagements you encouter - the more you learn how to deal with those engagements. You also learn how to best navigate the map and work towards advantageous positions.

But again, everyone has their own style. I think if you want to top the score per minute leaderboards youre going to have to be very aggressive and run high killstreaks.
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post #11646 of 11893
9/13/11 at 11:03am
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Originally Posted by RyanHomsey View Post

I just want to dispel the notion that you cannot be aggressive and earn high killstreaks. I consider myself to be a crazy rusher, almost mindless. Although I think instinct just kicks in and I move towards the most effective area to A) Get Kills and B) Not Be Killed... so its not necessarily mindless. My general mindset is that the easiest way to die is getting flanked - when you have no control of the engagement - and the best counter I know to that is to stay moving forward. You know exactly what is behind you and it is much more difficult to be blindsided that way. So I stay moving and stay aware of the spawns / minimap.

Basically - If I'm not running its because I'm planting/capping a flag/shooting someone. I'm certainly an objective player, running 8,9,11 killstreaks and capping flags. The idea that running 8,9,11 means you're not a team player is bogus as well, IMO (If the other team is dead they cant cap flags/kill my team mates/ etc) .

There's nothing wrong with effectively controlling a certain area of the map and "camping it" as they say - its just not my style. But, in my opinion, in Black Ops, it is a less effective way to gain high killstreaks, get better @ gunfights (ie improve reaction time/aim/etc), to win games. The more you're moving the wider range of engagements you encouter - the more you learn how to deal with those engagements. You also learn how to best navigate the map and work towards advantageous positions.

But again, everyone has their own style. I think if you want to top the score per minute leaderboards youre going to have to be very aggressive and run high killstreaks.

I agree 100%. I usually run all over the map or at the very least stay in the center of the map and sometimes use a motion sensor behind me if there are flankers. It's really all about positioning and being aware of where the other team is spawning and how the spawn system works. I also think it helps to constantly be in the other team's face and keep the pressure on them. I'll take objectives most of the time if I need to but if I know my teammates are taking the objective I'll just stick to killing.

I love using the Counter Spy/SR-71/Dogs killstreaks. I like to think that the counter spy is pretty annoying, SR-71 helps out the whole team getting more killstreaks, and dogs just cause a ton of chaos and are great in objective modes such as headquarters.

I don't really care about the leaderboards, the stat I really care about is W/L. Kind of pissed I didn't start playing with the AVS group until so late in the game, other wise i'd probably have double the 2.75 W/L ratio.

Playing with the AVS group is amazing though. I'm really looking forward to MW3 (assuming it doesn't suck horribly) and playing with the AVS group from the start. I think our W/L is going to be amazing. In BLOPS, we work so well together and it really shows when we walk all over 99% of the teams we play against.
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post #11647 of 11893
9/13/11 at 11:21am
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I agree 100%. I usually run all over the map or at the very least stay in the center of the map and sometimes use a motion sensor behind me if there are flankers. It's really all about positioning and being aware of where the other team is spawning and how the spawn system works. I also think it helps to constantly be in the other team's face and keep the pressure on them. I'll take objectives most of the time if I need to but if I know my teammates are taking the objective I'll just stick to killing.

I love using the Counter Spy/SR-71/Dogs killstreaks. I like to think that the counter spy is pretty annoying, SR-71 helps out the whole team getting more killstreaks, and dogs just cause a ton of chaos and are great in objective modes such as headquarters.

I don't really care about the leaderboards, the stat I really care about is W/L. Kind of pissed I didn't start playing with the AVS group until so late in the game, other wise i'd probably have double the 2.75 W/L ratio.

Playing with the AVS group is amazing though. I'm really looking forward to MW3 (assuming it doesn't suck horribly) and playing with the AVS group from the start. I think our W/L is going to be amazing. In BLOPS, we work so well together and it really shows when we walk all over 99% of the teams we play against.

Knowing what we already know it seems no way MW3 can suck.

That being said, I probably won't join you guys for a couple of weeks while my less hardcore local crew is still playing.

As far as aggression goes, maybe I'm just not that nice. Maybe it helps having a proper squad who has your back. I usually have a pretty hard time getting over a 5 killstreak, especially when it feels like I'm the only one concerned with the obj and I've got the weight of the entire game on my shoulders. My K/D does shoot up dramatically playing with the AVS squad.
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post #11648 of 11893
9/13/11 at 12:27pm
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Knowing what we already know it seems no way MW3 can suck.

Wow. What?
What *do* really know?
Nothing.
We've seen some cool videos and you played a limited demo on a LAN a couple of weeks ago.
BFD.
There hasn't been a beta, and we have no idea what the MP is going to be like with millions of people all trying to play together on launch day let alone 6 mos. from now.

I get it. You're an uber-fan of all things MW. I've played MW2 & Blops everyday on XBL for the past 2 years so I guess that makes me one too.

But neither of us know $hit about what MW3's MP experience is really going to be like on XBL. All we have to go on is MW2, and that was a less than stellar product compared to their previous game COD4.

So you can hope that MW3 doesn't suck, but the truth is that none of us will know until after Nov. 8th.
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post #11649 of 11893
9/13/11 at 12:42pm
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Originally Posted by jammybastard View Post


Wow. What?
What *do* really know?
Nothing.
We've seen some cool videos and you played a limited demo on a LAN a couple of weeks ago.
BFD.
There hasn't been a beta, and we have no idea what the MP is going to be like with millions of people all trying to play together on launch day let alone 6 mos. from now.

I get it. You're an uber-fan of all things MW. I've played MW2 & Blops everyday on XBL for the past 2 years so I guess that makes me one too.

But neither of us know $hit about what MW3's MP experience is really going to be like on XBL. All we have to go on is MW2, and that was a less than stellar product compared to their previous game COD4.

So you can hope that MW3 doesn't suck, but the truth is that none of us will know until after Nov. 8th.

Every MW has been a cluster**** for the first few weeks, with screwed matchmaking as the servers buckle under the load. MW3 will probably be no exception.

But aside from that, I just don't share your fears. We know a hell of a lot more now about MW3 than we even knew about blops a week before release. The game itself is all out there on the table already, and none of it is so revolutionary or crazy that we can't know how it'll play out. 90% of it is just a variation on past games. Ongoing support remains to be seen but there's enough reasons to believe theyre on top of it, and that MW2 was a fluke and a casualty of studio woes. You say yourself how IW isn't the same studio, so the old IW has no relevance here.

So sure, have your doubts. Theres still a lot that can go wrong post release. But there is already a *vast* difference between past CoD launches and this one. We do know **** about this one. We know a lot.
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post #11650 of 11893
9/13/11 at 1:24pm
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Originally Posted by RyanHomsey View Post

I just want to dispel the notion that you cannot be aggressive and earn high killstreaks. I consider myself to be a crazy rusher, almost mindless. Although I think instinct just kicks in and I move towards the most effective area to A) Get Kills and B) Not Be Killed... so its not necessarily mindless. My general mindset is that the easiest way to die is getting flanked - when you have no control of the engagement - and the best counter I know to that is to stay moving forward. You know exactly what is behind you and it is much more difficult to be blindsided that way. So I stay moving and stay aware of the spawns / minimap.

Basically - If I'm not running its because I'm planting/capping a flag/shooting someone. I'm certainly an objective player, running 8,9,11 killstreaks and capping flags. The idea that running 8,9,11 means you're not a team player is bogus as well, IMO (If the other team is dead they cant cap flags/kill my team mates/ etc) .

There's nothing wrong with effectively controlling a certain area of the map and "camping it" as they say - its just not my style. But, in my opinion, in Black Ops, it is a less effective way to gain high killstreaks, get better @ gunfights (ie improve reaction time/aim/etc), to win games. The more you're moving the wider range of engagements you encouter - the more you learn how to deal with those engagements. You also learn how to best navigate the map and work towards advantageous positions.

But again, everyone has their own style. I think if you want to top the score per minute leaderboards youre going to have to be very aggressive and run high killstreaks.

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Originally Posted by bucwylde23 View Post

I agree 100%. I usually run all over the map or at the very least stay in the center of the map and sometimes use a motion sensor behind me if there are flankers. It's really all about positioning and being aware of where the other team is spawning and how the spawn system works. I also think it helps to constantly be in the other team's face and keep the pressure on them. I'll take objectives most of the time if I need to but if I know my teammates are taking the objective I'll just stick to killing.

I love using the Counter Spy/SR-71/Dogs killstreaks. I like to think that the counter spy is pretty annoying, SR-71 helps out the whole team getting more killstreaks, and dogs just cause a ton of chaos and are great in objective modes such as headquarters.

I don't really care about the leaderboards, the stat I really care about is W/L. Kind of pissed I didn't start playing with the AVS group until so late in the game, other wise i'd probably have double the 2.75 W/L ratio.

Playing with the AVS group is amazing though. I'm really looking forward to MW3 (assuming it doesn't suck horribly) and playing with the AVS group from the start. I think our W/L is going to be amazing. In BLOPS, we work so well together and it really shows when we walk all over 99% of the teams we play against.

Amen. +1 all around.
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post #11651 of 11893
9/13/11 at 1:25pm
Jammy, stop pooping on our MW3 excitement!

It's gonna be great, you'll see
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post #11652 of 11893
9/13/11 at 1:58pm
9/13/2011
(Title Update 13)
Security Updates.
Addressed an issue where Custom Private Match settings were carrying over to Public matches.
Prohibited clan tags can no longer be used.
A player's win streak will now break if they quit out during a live match.
Players that are partied up are no longer allowed to go into party-restricted lobbies such as FFA.
Fixed a rare issue with Recent Games not showing the correct heat map.
Addressed an exploit copying another player's emblem/playercard.
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post #11653 of 11893
9/13/11 at 2:02pm
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9/13/2011
(Title Update 13)
Security Updates.
Addressed an issue where Custom Private Match settings were carrying over to Public matches.
Prohibited clan tags can no longer be used.
A player's win streak will now break if they quit out during a live match.
Players that are partied up are no longer allowed to go into party-restricted lobbies such as FFA.
Fixed a rare issue with Recent Games not showing the correct heat map.
Addressed an exploit copying another player's emblem/playercard.

I hope that finally means they've figured out a way to keep parties of out of mercenary. As long as you can join a friend's game in progress, the problem persists.
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post #11654 of 11893
9/13/11 at 2:52pm
I expect us to have amazing win loss ratios. We play really well together and communicate very well. I'm excited as hell to get the whole gang back together.
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post #11655 of 11893
9/13/11 at 3:19pm
We bout to all be boyz hanging out again. Playing COD early on weekend mornings at 7am.. *sniff* *sniff* I'm getting all teary eyed just thinking about it.
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post #11656 of 11893
9/13/11 at 3:42pm
Feel free to add me on XBL. Would love to game it up with you guys.

My gamertag is: TheRealNefarion

I'm playing about a 50/50 mix of Blops and MW2 right now. I've got some good vids in my black ops fileshare if you're interested in seeing my play style .
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post #11657 of 11893
9/13/11 at 8:09pm
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Originally Posted by PJ_Rage View Post

Jammy, stop pooping on our MW3 excitement!

It's gonna be great, you'll see

Sorry, but someone's got to be the voice of sanity.
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post #11658 of 11893
9/14/11 at 7:44am
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Originally Posted by jammybastard View Post

Sorry, but someone's got to be the voice of sanity.

You're the Statler and/or Waldorf of MW3. You just can't help yourself.
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post #11659 of 11893
9/14/11 at 8:36am
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You're the Statler and/or Waldorf of MW3. You just can't help yourself.

You're right, I can't. I'm a realist.
At 44 I've been playing PC & console games for 20 years and I've watched the game industry become far too comfortable with releasing broken games and then not supporting them.

It also doesn't help that I have many friends who work or worked at major game studios and have told me about the product cycles, the workload, the cut corners, etc...

I'm also very wary of "hype", which is why I've been giving MW3 the critical eye. Too much bs floating around. Too much speculation and not enough critical thinking by people who read press releases and mistake it for genuine news.

If the game is so amazing then why not release a MP beta on XBL? How about an SP beta? All the major francise games release betas yet COD doesn't,
Why is that?
Why are they more interested in selling us on Elite than, for example, showing us how previous MP problems like lag, hit detection, and hacking have been solved?
Hmmm.....
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post #11660 of 11893
9/14/11 at 9:30am
COD doesn't need a beta. Even if it's a great game, all the stand to do is lose business at this point.
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post #11661 of 11893
9/14/11 at 12:44pm
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Originally Posted by PJ_Rage View Post

COD doesn't need a beta. Even if it's a great game, all the stand to do is lose business at this point.


"Beta? We don't need no stinkin' beta...we don't need to show you no stinkin' beta."


I know they don't "need" to have one from a marketing standpoint, and that's part of the problem. The marketing is more important than if the game ships 100% complete & functioning.
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post #11662 of 11893
9/14/11 at 12:45pm
It's with great sadness, I am officially retired from Black Ops. I went to Best Buy today and traded it in. With a Gears 3 pre-order, BB is giving an extra 50% trade in value. I figured I should be able to get by for the next month and half without COD. I know once MW3 comes out, there really wont be anything else in my 360 tray. I really am going to miss that tomahawk though!

With the extra trade-in value and the original $20 credit I got from Amazon when I pre-ordered Black Ops, it basically cost me $6 plus the 3 DLC map packs for 500 hours of game play. I checked last night after I was done playing Blops and I had 496.6 hours played!

Is it Nov 8th yet?
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post #11663 of 11893
9/14/11 at 1:01pm
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Originally Posted by Myrtledog View Post

It's with great sadness, I am officially retired from Black Ops. I went to Best Buy today and traded it in. With a Gears 3 pre-order, BB is giving an extra 50% trade in value. I figured I should be able to get by for the next month and half without COD. I know once MW3 comes out, there really wont be anything else in my 360 tray. I really am going to miss that tomahawk though!

With the extra trade-in value and the original $20 credit I got from Amazon when I pre-ordered Black Ops, it basically cost me $6 plus the 3 DLC map packs for 500 hours of game play. I checked last night after I was done playing Blops and I had 496.6 hours played!

Is it Nov 8th yet?

That would have driven me nuts to be that close to 500 and just walk away. It kind of bugs me that you did it!
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post #11664 of 11893
9/14/11 at 1:55pm
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Originally Posted by bbexperience View Post

That would have driven me nuts to be that close to 500 and just walk away. It kind of bugs me that you did it!

Seriously, man up and get those hours. I'm trying to hit 500 but I doubt i'll make it
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post #11665 of 11893
9/14/11 at 2:32pm
500 pppssshhhh that was to easy to do haha. i have like 34 days or so in this game.
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post #11666 of 11893
9/14/11 at 2:37pm
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Originally Posted by alberto1985 View Post

500 pppssshhhh that was to easy to do haha. i have like 34 days or so in this game.

Geez...do you guys play any other games?
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post #11667 of 11893
9/14/11 at 2:42pm
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Originally Posted by bucwylde23 View Post

Seriously, man up and get those hours. I'm trying to hit 500 but I doubt i'll make it

If you want to send me a copy of the game I will keep going until I hit 500! Too late now. I also only needed 8 assists to finish that lifetime challenge as well. J/K! I finished all the other lifetimes except the head shot challenge of course. I could have played it for another 500 hours and still would not have been close to being done with that one.
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post #11668 of 11893
9/14/11 at 2:43pm
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Geez...do you guys play any other games?

Not really. The only time the disc came out was when I played a couple of rounds of golf every 2 weeks or so.
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post #11669 of 11893
9/14/11 at 2:59pm
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Geez...do you guys play any other games?

I've got 100+ hours into Fallout 3 as well. I also played through Homefront (didn't take long) and played a bit of that multi in the time Blops has been out.
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post #11670 of 11893
9/14/11 at 3:06pm
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Originally Posted by bbexperience View Post


I've got 100+ hours into Fallout 3 as well. I also played through Homefront (didn't take long) and played a bit of that multi in the time Blops has been out.

I guess I'd have as many if not more hours into CoDs if I spent all the time playing them instead of other games as well. Although I probably have around 300 in mw2 and 200+ in blops.

Some games just demand the time though. Im gonna have to take like a week off in December to run through skyrim after the mw3 binge wanes a bit. Between a job and other responsibilities I don't nearly get to play as much as I want, but I guess it all adds up over time.
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