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post #1 of 11
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The spec for HDMI 1.4 sounds great and I'm glad there seems to be general industry support. Hopefully we'll be seeing displays soon.

I'm much more interested in projection than flat panel displays. And I'm more interested in passive rather than active shutter glasses.

Any thoughts on whether we'll see devices to split the HDMI 1.4 3D signal into two outputs to use with dual projectors?

Something like an HD-Fury or Momme box that takes the input and provides each video signal on its own output.
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Originally Posted by KrisRoberts View Post

The spec for HDMI 1.4 sounds great and I'm glad there seems to be general industry support. Hopefully we'll be seeing displays soon.

I'm much more interested in projection than flat panel displays. And I'm more interested in passive rather than active shutter glasses.

Any thoughts on whether we'll see devices to split the HDMI 1.4 3D signal into two outputs to use with dual projectors?

Something like an HD-Fury or Momme box that takes the input and provides each video signal on its own output.

No such external 3D video processor box to split the right and left video streams has been annouced yet. In any case LCD (e.g., Epson, Panasonic, etc.) and LCoS (e.g., JVC, Sony, LG) technology requires an internal linear polarizer therefore you cannot simply add an external polarizing filter to make one projector have one polarity (e.g., right hand circular) and the other projector the other polarity (e.g., left hand circular). Thus only DLP projectors could easily be used with such a dual projector setup for 3D. Also remember that front projection setups that use polarization to seperate the right and left images require you to use a silver screen material in order to maintain the polarization. Since this silver screen material generally gives poor results for projecting normal 2D material, you will most likely need to have two screens. Given the complexity of such a setup, I really believe that the 3D projectors using shutter glasses will offer the most practical solution.
post #3 of 11
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Yes, DLPs and a silver screen. Also dont forget the convergence to make sure the pictures overlap exactly (even more fun without lens shift).

Yes, active shutter solutions may be easier to setup out of the box - but I'm also concerned about expensive shutter glasses for many users and long term use. My intention is not for a standard home theater situation but rather a professional production environment.
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If you want a true professional 3d projection system at home then the following will fill the bill.

http://www.twice.com/article/451789-...ion_Server.php
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Originally Posted by walford View Post

If you want a true professional 3d projection system at home then the following will fill the bill.

http://www.twice.com/article/451789-...ion_Server.php

9000 lumens...I have to squint while typing that. Not exactly cheap, are they?
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If you want a true professional 3d projection system at home then the following will fill the bill.

http://www.twice.com/article/451789-...ion_Server.php

...all using the company's proprietary approach to active-shutter 3D technology.
post #7 of 11
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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post

In any case LCD (e.g., Epson, Panasonic, etc.) and LCoS (e.g., JVC, Sony, LG) technology requires an internal linear polarizer therefore you cannot simply add an external polarizing filter to make one projector have one polarity (e.g., right hand circular) and the other projector the other polarity (e.g., left hand circular). Thus only DLP projectors could easily be used with such a dual projector setup for 3D.

This is incorrect. LCD projectors work fine as long as the polarizers are oriented properly.
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... using the company's proprietary approach to active-shutter 3D technology.

Or you can use the "
"
RealD Z-Screen, polarized passive-glasses technologies
"
which is the same system used in almost all of the non IMAX 3D digital theaters.
post #9 of 11
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Originally Posted by walford View Post

Or you can use the "
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RealD Z-Screen, polarized passive-glasses technologies
"
which is the same system used in almost all of the non IMAX 3D digital theaters.

RealD = Circular Polarized 3D
Dolby 3D = Color Difference 3D
IMAX Digital = Linear Polarized 3D
IMAX 3D = Linear Polarized 3D and ASGs
XpanD Cinema = Active Shutter Glasses
post #10 of 11
I think I can afford the time (the $ is TBA) to wait for the Dolby box for color management on their passive system that uses a "normal" screen. Saw Avatar that way and the 3D (both color and ability to tilt my head) was great.
FWIW it is possible to obtain lasers at all 6 wavelengths used in that system i.e. that would work with the existing glasses, so one day perhaps there will be a 6-gun lightengine mass produced for projectors. OK I am an incurable optimist

Till then it's
post #11 of 11
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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post

only DLP projectors could easily be used with such a dual projector setup for 3D. Also remember that front projection setups that use polarization to seperate the right and left images require you to use a silver screen material in order to maintain the polarization. Since this silver screen material generally gives poor results for projecting normal 2D material, you will most likely need to have two screens. Given the complexity of such a setup, I really believe that the 3D projectors using shutter glasses will offer the most practical solution.

Obviously, doing a dual-projector setup would be a major pain in the arse. Still, as difficult as it may be, it might be the smartest way to go for those of us that want the really high-end experience, but don't have the high-end bank roll to support it. Basically, one would need 2 brand new, identical 1080p projectors. (or two used identical projectors with bulbs that have the exact same amount of hours on them ) A mounting and exhaust solution for the two projectors. Filters for each projector, and a drop down silverscreen.

Basically, if it was me, I would have a pull down silverscreen, that I could pull down in front of my normal screen, only for when I'm going to view something in 3D. Otherwise, I would use my normal screen. The problem with everything is the logistics of setting everything up, and maintaining it, and the cost of all the individual parts that would be required. Two projectors could be acquired for around $2500 ($1250 each or so). The mounting and exhaust solution could be DIY project for $300 or under, I'm guessing. I have no idea how much a pull down silverscreen that is half-way decent goes for. I'd need one that would cover a 126" 16:9 area, and an even wider 2:35:1 area. Then there is the added complexity of trying to do the "Poor Man's Zoom Trick", using dual projectors. This would be extremely difficult I'm guessing.

Of course, there is also the cost of the two filters. I have no idea how much they would cost.

The long term advantage of all of this, is that you would save a ton of $$$ on all the glasses you'd need. Imagine having 20 or 30 of your closest friends over to see Mayweather vs. Pacquiao in 3D. Or Game 7 of the World Series in 3D, or the Superbowl in 3D, etc, etc. With a passive setup, you get the advantage of being able to use 1 dollar polarized glasses.

Also, you'd be able to do the true 1080p@60hz for each eye for PC gaming and potentially next generation consoles (Playstation 4 and Xbox 720). By using dual-projectors, you also don't suffer as much light loss.
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