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post #1471 of 1527
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Originally Posted by tommyv2 View Post

I know... it's too bad. My uniformity is actually pretty awesome when I massage the screen just right. That lasts for weeks until I have to do it again. That combined with specific screw tightness for the bezel does a great job. I've seen better on other Sharp TVs, but not by much.

My old 88un was great no noticeable screen defect. The only minus in image quality was sometimes the field of football games the grass would blur during any movement but the TV wasn't bad on the actual action taking place.
post #1472 of 1527
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Originally Posted by Briant73 View Post

What I am saying is that Edge lit led displays can have some clouding and other issues that detract from dark/night scenes. Now other LCD displays have these issues but the difference now is that most manufacturers feel with edge lit it's acceptable where before they usually felt it was a defect.

edge lit LED tech has Not worked out as planned across the board for all display MFG'ers & Sharp is moving towards a full back lit array LED . They tried a tech that was back array that was using less LED's than full array & those units have had ended up with dark corners. So that tech has failed as well .
this is why I got my 88UN as it was the last CFFL back lit units Sharp made ,as I knew that the bugs with LED's would not be the best so early in development. The New Elite line (which is made by Sharp )using the engineers from the Kuro's have produced a great display but it's a high cost item . BUT that tech with slowly trickle down into the lower priced Sharp models. (seems that they have the tech for local dimming worked out )That the Elite now has Inky blacks that rival or better the old Kuro & are brighter as well than a plasma .
all this is good news for LED LCD TV's
So I'm holding on to my 88UM till they get the Elite tech incorporated into the main stream Sharp line . (read lower prices & better displays)
the New Sharp 80" looks very promising ,Sharp has dropped the yellow pixel & have a full LED array but the unit lacks local dimming . see this thread for some screen shots

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1363281


next year look for new models like this one in 60",70",80" with local dimming. here's the Elite thread

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1358702

they have a software issue with the Elite's now but it seems that is going to be resolved soon .
Early adopters are paying for the new tech that everyone will soon enjoy

best news is this tech will move into all models in the near future , I also look for Sharp to drop the Quatron yellow pixel as it just has not caught on .

In other words hold on to your 88UM till the rear Array LED tech is finally @ a polished state, that looks to be soon
that 80" is a beauty of a display !
post #1473 of 1527
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Originally Posted by jchas41 View Post

I've called several times about the same issue. This set has been out a long time, a firmware fix should have been released already.

No kidding, it would be nice if they could add DLNA as well.
post #1474 of 1527
Anyone got an outlet to purchase one if these sets still?
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post #1476 of 1527
I just switched over from Comcast to Uverse. Seems the 60E88UN cannot handle the PCM/Digital audio out of the uverse box. A pop up displays reading cannot read audio please change from PCM...or somrthing like that. I change back to stereo and it sound is fine.

I have my Uverse running through a Denon 2809. It will pass through in Standby. It would be nice to leave the Uverse in digital surrond mode(DD) all the time.
My amp will pick up the uverse surrond mode and play DD programs but when I turn it off I lose the audio unless I am in 2 channel stereo mode direct to the TV.

I confirmed this - I connected my HDMI directly to the TV. Ruled out if it was a AVR issue.---No audio to the TV with surrond/digital out turned on.

just a pita when watching a HD show and want to use the AVR I have to goto the uverse menu and switch to digital out. when done using the AVR(just want TV speakers....say late evening) I have to switch uverse back to 2 channel stereo.

I did just update the firmware on the TV. Did not fix the issue.
Dennis
post #1477 of 1527
Well, fellow 88UNers, I'm out! I've been having the HDMI dropouts constantly, and they've tried replacing the system board several times - doesn't help. My extended warranty has arranged a credit and I've upgraded to something else. Good luck to all of you - going to miss this thing, but only a bit!
post #1478 of 1527
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Originally Posted by tommyv2 View Post

Well, fellow 88UNers, I'm out! I've been having the HDMI dropouts constantly, and they've tried replacing the system board several times - doesn't help. My extended warranty has arranged a credit and I've upgraded to something else. Good luck to all of you - going to miss this thing, but only a bit!

You gonna get that new 80" Sharp ?
My 88Un has been flawless (Knocks on wood )
post #1479 of 1527
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Originally Posted by tommyv2 View Post

Well, fellow 88UNers, I'm out! I've been having the HDMI dropouts constantly, and they've tried replacing the system board several times - doesn't help. My extended warranty has arranged a credit and I've upgraded to something else. Good luck to all of you - going to miss this thing, but only a bit!

Tommy, can you please describe the HDMI dropouts? I think I'm kinda getting them but only when using my cable box. Maybe once an hour, the picture goes black for about 1 second. I rewound the DVR to see if the picture dropped and it didn't in the recording so I know it's not the box. I have a PS3 and an Xbox 360 connected with HDMI and neither of them has ever done it.
post #1480 of 1527
Yep, that's the problem - screen goes black, and then comes back on. To me it happens on every HDMI port, and any source, especially PS3. It's aggravating, especially while gaming when you can't miss random things like that! It's always done it, but it seemed to be getting worse lately, or maybe I was just using the TV more. Problem doesn't exist on Component sources.

I got the 70" Sharp Quattron 732U coming next week. It's still backlit instead of edge-lit, so I'm pumped about that. Edge-lit TVs generally have tragic uniformity and I wouldn't [personally] go that way.
post #1481 of 1527
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Originally Posted by tommyv2 View Post

Yep, that's the problem - screen goes black, and then comes back on. To me it happens on every HDMI port, and any source, especially PS3. It's aggravating, especially while gaming when you can't miss random things like that! It's always done it, but it seemed to be getting worse lately, or maybe I was just using the TV more. Problem doesn't exist on Component sources.

I got the 70" Sharp Quattron 732U coming next week. It's still backlit instead of edge-lit, so I'm pumped about that. Edge-lit TVs generally have tragic uniformity and I wouldn't [personally] go that way.

Yeah the edge lighted LED's are garbage !
One question do you guys regularity change the input cables around alot ? Mine has been in #7 forever & everything goes thru my AVR for selection(Sat box,HTPC,Blu-Ray) & then off to the display , so I never touch the HDMI inputs on the 88UM
post #1482 of 1527
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

Yeah the edge lighted LED's are garbage !
One question do you guys regularity change the input cables around alot ? Mine has been in #7 forever & everything goes thru my AVR for selection(Sat box,HTPC,Blu-Ray) & then off to the display , so I never touch the HDMI inputs on the 88UM

I have everything running through my Pioneer Elite VSX-01TXH and then connected to input 5. I recently tried input 7 to see if that helped and it didn't. I'm just confused as to why it never does it on my gaming systems. I have literally played COD Black Ops for 15 hours straight and it's never happened.
post #1483 of 1527
Try input 6! I bet you'll have issues then! Seems to be the worst port for me. 5 has been the best.

I don't have any video-capable AVR connected to this TV, only for audio, so it's all direct.
post #1484 of 1527
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Originally Posted by tommyv2 View Post

Yep, that's the problem - screen goes black, and then comes back on. To me it happens on every HDMI port, and any source, especially PS3. It's aggravating, especially while gaming when you can't miss random things like that! It's always done it, but it seemed to be getting worse lately, or maybe I was just using the TV more. Problem doesn't exist on Component sources.

I got the 70" Sharp Quattron 732U coming next week. It's still backlit instead of edge-lit, so I'm pumped about that. Edge-lit TVs generally have tragic uniformity and I wouldn't [personally] go that way.

I wish you luck with the 732u, I tried a 632u and it had extreme clouding issues. Now the shipper seems to have beat the hell out of it during shipping so that could be the cause. Thankfully the retailer is taking it back full refund. Again hope your luck was better than mine!
post #1485 of 1527
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Originally Posted by tommyv2 View Post

Well, fellow 88UNers, I'm out! I've been having the HDMI dropouts constantly, and they've tried replacing the system board several times - doesn't help. My extended warranty has arranged a credit and I've upgraded to something else. Good luck to all of you - going to miss this thing, but only a bit!

I was hoping they could fix it for you since I miss my 88un and can't find anything close without paying a lot more and/or putting up with glare and reflections.
post #1486 of 1527
I had the 88un: great picture but experienced dropout on every port. Two new boards were installed and same result....Then I was offered the edge-lit led 830u as an "upgrade": colors never looked right to me after extensive adjustment, terrible uniformity (i.e. clouding) over the entire screen to the point that I didn't enjoy watching anything with dark or night scenes. After sending pictures to Sharp documenting the severity of the issue and negotiating with management, I was offered a refund. I took the refund (minus $350) and purchased a Samsung 55d6000: best TV I have ever owned! It uses edge-lit led's as well, but screen uniformity is very good over the majority of the screen with only minor "flashlight effect" at the corners extending maybe 3 or 4 inches into the screen - not distracting at all IMO. The shadow detail and black levels are excellent and continue to impress me.
post #1487 of 1527
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Originally Posted by mjbuoni View Post

I had the 88un: great picture but experienced dropout on every port. Two new boards were installed and same result....Then I was offered the edge-lit led 830u as an "upgrade": colors never looked right to me after extensive adjustment, terrible uniformity (i.e. clouding) over the entire screen to the point that I didn't enjoy watching anything with dark or night scenes. After sending pictures to Sharp documenting the severity of the issue and negotiating with management, I was offered a refund. I took the refund (minus $350) and purchased a Samsung 55d6000: best TV I have ever owned! It uses edge-lit led's as well, but screen uniformity is very good over the majority of the screen with only minor "flashlight effect" at the corners extending maybe 3 or 4 inches into the screen - not distracting at all IMO. The shadow detail and black levels are excellent and continue to impress me.

I wish Sharp would have actually created a fix for the hdmi dropout issue either with firmware or an updated main board but it seems they never did.

I thought about the Samsung 60d6000 but I read a lot of complaints of screen uniformity issues so figured it was no better than the Sharp. I will say I have tried THREE 832u and the second one is a lot better (but still has clouding) the first and third one.
post #1488 of 1527
Before this TV, I had the Panasonic TH-50PX80U and experienced the same dropouts,but they would last about 3 seconds as opposed to the 1 second dropouts I'm now getting. I'm wondering if my problem is with my VSX-01TXH,because I don't recall people complaining about dropouts with the Panny?
post #1489 of 1527
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Originally Posted by biglen View Post

Before this TV, I had the Panasonic TH-50PX80U and experienced the same dropouts,but they would last about 3 seconds as opposed to the 1 second dropouts I'm now getting. I'm wondering if my problem is with my VSX-01TXH,because I don't recall people complaining about dropouts with the Panny?

To check, just plug from your video source directly into your Sharp.
post #1490 of 1527
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Originally Posted by Briant73 View Post

I wish Sharp would have actually created a fix for the hdmi dropout issue either with firmware or an updated main board but it seems they never did.

I thought about the Samsung 60d6000 but I read a lot of complaints of screen uniformity issues so figured it was no better than the Sharp. I will say I have tried THREE 832u and the second one is a lot better (but still has clouding) the first and third one.

Maybe I got lucky with my particular Samsung unit....but the uniformity really is an order of magnitude better than my previous Sharp 830u. I also downgraded in size from 60 to 55 inches, not sure if the smaller screen makes it easier to achieve better uniformity. I tried the Sony 55ex621 before the Samsung and it was only slightly better than the Sharp overall, with very noticeable clouding asymmetrically throughout the screen. The Samsung has a mostly symmetrical pattern of 4 faint "flashlight" beams coming from each of the four corners and almost no "clouding" to speak of. I sit with eye level at the bottom of the screen, so the ones on the bottom corners are the only ones I notice, and even then only briefly do I notice them when the image is mostly all black.
post #1491 of 1527
I'm going to call in a service repair before my warranty runs out in Feb. A question for people with the dropouts: Mine does it about once an hour, so will the service tech have to sit here and wait for it to happen, or are they aware of the problem and just change the board?
post #1492 of 1527
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Originally Posted by biglen View Post

I'm going to call in a service repair before my warranty runs out in Feb. A question for people with the dropouts: Mine does it about once an hour, so will the service tech have to sit here and wait for it to happen, or are they aware of the problem and just change the board?

Call sharp aquos support and let them know what is happening and how often it does. They will then decide how to go anout resolving it.
post #1493 of 1527
If it happens once per hour, that's a lot more frequent that I had it! I had it, maybe... once every 3-4 hours? Sharp knows about the problem anyway, it won't surprise them. Give them hell - they stuck you with a defective product, and they didn't bother to make new system boards that actually work!
post #1494 of 1527
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Originally Posted by tommyv2 View Post

If it happens once per hour, that's a lot more frequent that I had it! I had it, maybe... once every 3-4 hours? Sharp knows about the problem anyway, it won't surprise them. Give them hell - they stuck you with a defective product, and they didn't bother to make new system boards that actually work!


I agree, just wish we could of Sharp to make a firmware change or come out with a new board but at least they usually try to make it right with a new TV if they can't resolve it.
post #1495 of 1527
My screen went black the other day on all inputs, even though the green power light was on. Then about a minute or two later it clicked and came back on.
post #1496 of 1527
I had an aproximate 10 second dropout during the Superbowl. I forget exactly when it was but it wasn't during play. I think it was when the announcers were on the screen. Just wondering if anyone else saw that. Don't know if it was the telecast, Comcast or my set.
post #1497 of 1527
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Originally Posted by homerhd View Post

I had an aproximate 10 second dropout during the Superbowl. I forget exactly when it was but it wasn't during play. I think it was when the announcers were on the screen. Just wondering if anyone else saw that. Don't know if it was the telecast, Comcast or my set.

A few things - Was the dropout video and/or audio? Has it happened since? How do you have your comcast box hooked up for video/audio output?
post #1498 of 1527
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Originally Posted by homerhd View Post

I had an aproximate 10 second dropout during the Superbowl. I forget exactly when it was but it wasn't during play. I think it was when the announcers were on the screen. Just wondering if anyone else saw that. Don't know if it was the telecast, Comcast or my set.

if you have a DVR , do what I do when i see a drop-out ,I quickly rewind to the spot & see if it's there . Everytime I have seen a drop-out on my 88Um it's been on the replay of the DVR as well & therefore not the set causing the drop out .
post #1499 of 1527
^^^^^^^

The above is great advice, if you have a way to rewind the source (dvr, dvd, bluray) go back and see if the drop out exists in the media you are watching. Back when I had my 88un I did rewind back and the video was always showing correctly so it had to be something with the display. Now on my current TV on one channel I get constant drop outs with one channel I watch but when I rewind my DVR the drop outs still exist and since it's one channel only it's most likely a video feed issue.
post #1500 of 1527
It was audio and video. I was watching from my dvr but was caught up and "live". I didnt think to rewind to check the recording. My box feeds video to my tv via HDMI and audio via optical to my receiver. As I type this, it occured to me that it must have been the feed since audio and video dropped out from two different outputs. That was the only time it has happened.
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