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post #391 of 634
8/5/11 at 1:03pm
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post #392 of 634
10/27/11 at 1:13pm
anyone around Kansas City with an orbit shifter or pair of orbit shifters I could listen to? I'd be happy to bring my captivators over to compare?!?!
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post #393 of 634
10/27/11 at 5:25pm
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

anyone around Kansas City with an orbit shifter or pair of orbit shifters I could listen to? I'd be happy to bring my captivators over to compare?!?!

I assume Marks comments peaked your interest . I'm afraid there just aren't many OS units in the world period, with most of them here in Northern California (5 I think). I would have to agree with Marks comments as the folded horn OS's are capable of insane output for movie soundtrack effects but have the sealed sub feel for music (Audyssey XT32 has helped there). Of course, Mark has a new monster sub of his own coming soon that may raise the bar on VLF plus have similar capabilities in the upper bass frequencies.

As with the OS, the Terraform XL will live up to it's name and is indeed eXtra Large/eXtra Low.
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post #394 of 634
11/2/11 at 2:48pm
Well, the Orbit Shifter is only 6db more senitive than the Captivator and has a sealed rear chamber for single digit reproduction.
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post #395 of 634
11/2/11 at 3:15pm
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Originally Posted by Jeff Permanian View Post

Well, the Orbit Shifter is only 6db more senitive than the Captivator and has a sealed rear chamber for single digit reproduction.

How about an OS road trip to Kansas City for some tests?
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post #396 of 634
11/2/11 at 3:24pm
Ha! Jeff and others, how are the orbit shifters for accuracy? The f12s failed to impress me at all in respect to accuracy at the Omaha meet. That is the first and only folded horn design I've experienced in a direct comparison like we did. Is that a trait of folded horns, or a trait of the f12?
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post #397 of 634
11/2/11 at 3:40pm
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

Ha! Jeff and others, how are the orbit shifters for accuracy? The f12s failed to impress me at all in respect to accuracy at the Omaha meet. That is the first and only folded horn design I've experienced in a direct comparison like we did. Is that a trait of folded horns, or a trait of the f12?

That is not the trait of folded horns at all!

In fact people have said they are the best they have ever heard.

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RMK! thanks for the review.

I got to hear these subs and they were incredible. If you can accomodate them they are the best I have heard.

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Talk about midbass slam!! The Orbit Shifters punch you in the gut and rattle your rib cage, all while delivering incredibly clean, detailed, and powerful LFE. It was simultaneously exhilarating and eerie actually, resulting in a bit of cognitive dissonance - so much output, yet clean as a whistle. I'd seen the Avatar scenes we demoed in two of the best-sounding commercial theaters in the country (SF Metreon IMAX, Arclight Cineramadome in Hollywood) and this was the by far the cleanest sounding and most impactful midbass I've experienced. Very impressive. I think it sets a new bar above 25Hz. Bravo, Jeff! It was also fun watching people flinch physically from the massive impact - literally taken aback (will post photos later). Even during scenes that most of us have seen many times. Hm, perhaps I will have to get one (or two).

Here are Jeff Meier's thoughts: http://twitter.com/HomeCinemaGuru/status/16028530076

The picture thrown by the RS-35 looked absolutely stunning post-calibration on the Seymour AT screen - perfection!

Thanks for putting on the meet, Rob!
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post #398 of 634
11/2/11 at 3:44pm
The response in RMK's room:
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Originally Posted by Jeff Permanian View Post

Here are some measurements taken in different spots in the room (NO EQ):


A simple shelf filter can pull down above 25hz
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post #399 of 634
11/2/11 at 3:46pm
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

Ha! Jeff and others, how are the orbit shifters for accuracy? The f12s failed to impress me at all in respect to accuracy at the Omaha meet. That is the first and only folded horn design I've experienced in a direct comparison like we did. Is that a trait of folded horns, or a trait of the f12?

Hopefully Jeff will chime in as I have no idea about the similarities of the designs. The OS's have the on-board 4kw DSP amp and are incredibly clean sounding. I have had lots of subs including several sealed (dual Velo DD18's, quad JL Fathoms) as well as the 2nd gen Caps (bandpass) and Danley Tapped horns THSPUD. The OS's are the best all around performers I have owned/heard.

BTW, Fugueness (quoted above) has quad Submersive HP's and will soon be adding two (or more) Terraform XL's. Now that is some potent bass ...
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post #400 of 634
11/2/11 at 3:51pm
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

Ha! Jeff and others, how are the orbit shifters for accuracy? The f12s failed to impress me at all in respect to accuracy at the Omaha meet. That is the first and only folded horn design I've experienced in a direct comparison like we did. Is that a trait of folded horns, or a trait of the f12?

Like I've told people since the GTG, when run that day, they sounded not like i had heard them hooked up through my receiver.

No clue what was going on. But they didn't rumble on like that when I watched Green Lantern, Thor, and Iron Man 2 through them. I was running my 18s as well together with them. I really liked the sound.

The GTG they just rumbled and rumbled on and on. Not sure what was going down.
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post #401 of 634
11/2/11 at 3:59pm
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Originally Posted by Jeff Permanian View Post

The response in RMK's room:

What I don't understand here is, yes you can shelf filter down 10-15dB of the upper end so you're flat to single digits.



But then why bother with horn loading? Effectively, you could have the exact same output with the driver, same amp and an enclosure the size of the sealed chamber.

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post #402 of 634
11/2/11 at 6:33pm
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Originally Posted by HuskerOmaha View Post

Like I've told people since the GTG, when run that day, they sounded not like i had heard them hooked up through my receiver.

No clue what was going on. But they didn't rumble on like that when I watched Green Lantern, Thor, and Iron Man 2 through them. I was running my 18s as well together with them. I really liked the sound.

The GTG they just rumbled and rumbled on and on. Not sure what was going down.

mmmmm hmmmmmm

Honest officer! -- they only sounded inaccurate when we eq'ed them flat and had multiple voters in the room. ALWAYS before they sounded cleaner than the Submersive HP.
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post #403 of 634
11/2/11 at 8:20pm
maybe Jeff needs to have the next GTG and suply 2 Caps and 2 OS's along with a few other donated subs..........lets see whow these things realy stack up to a pair of sealed 18's..........
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post #404 of 634
11/2/11 at 8:50pm
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Originally Posted by BiGBADDABOOM View Post


What I don't understand here is, yes you can shelf filter down 10-15dB of the upper end so you're flat to single digits.

But then why bother with horn loading? Effectively, you could have the exact same output with the driver, same amp and an enclosure the size of the sealed chamber.


This is personal taste. Some people like a knee curve and run low end hotter, while some prefer flat. In any case, you need headroom as most movies get good dynamic range over 30 dB...
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post #405 of 634
11/2/11 at 9:04pm
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This is personal taste. Some people like a knee curve and run low end hotter, while some prefer flat. In any case, you need headroom as most movies get good dynamic range over 30 dB...

I understand the taste, and if you're thing is 25Hz and up, then the horn loading advantage makes perfect sense.

If you're after a flat response to single digits, then a shelving filter on a horn loaded sub seems like a wasteful approach, as the same result is had from that sealed chamber.

Moreover, the harmonics of the fundamental below the horn loading will end up being magnified increasing distortion.

In RMK's room for example, at best he is +/-3dB from only 25Hz to 95Hz. If that's your target, the OS is a fantastically efficient workhorse to accomplish that.

If you want an octave lower, you need to shelve down the upper end -6dB. Another octave below that (mid single digits) a -12dB shelf.
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post #406 of 634
11/2/11 at 9:13pm
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

mmmmm hmmmmmm

Honest officer! -- they only sounded inaccurate when we eq'ed them flat and had multiple voters in the room. ALWAYS before they sounded cleaner than the Submersive HP.

And I need to sell these suckers for Pi 18 DIY money. In all seriousness though, and I played them at even higher levels, they seemed to drone on forever during our session compared to what I remembered. But you know what, everything is blending together now.

And given the success of others like lilmike, mktheater, and the like with them, I have to think I need to give these a listen again. After all they are just sitting pretty in the garage.
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post #407 of 634
12/13/11 at 9:30am
I can't wait to see what is brought to the KC GTG.

I want to see a pair of OS and see how low their response is in Archaea's room.

As well as the new Cap S.

Should be fun to see these up against (blinded) the current stuff out there.
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post #408 of 634
12/13/11 at 6:51pm
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Originally Posted by HuskerOmaha View Post

I can't wait to see what is brought to the KC GTG.

I want to see a pair of OS and see how low their response is in Archaea's room.

As well as the new Cap S.

Should be fun to see these up against (blinded) the current stuff out there.

I hope Jeff brings a couple of OS's to the meet. The owners club is a small group and I'm sure the other owners are as anxious as I am to hear your impressions of these and the other tested subs.
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post #409 of 634
1/3/12 at 12:44pm
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It appears that Jeff is indeed hauling a pair of OS's to Kansas City for Archaea's Meet on the weekend of the 14th. I am happy that these great subs will finally be getting some Forum attention.

It will be interesting to see how the blind testing of all of these monster subs goes. Based upon the tentative lineup, you're gonna need a bigger house and a lot more time. That said, Seaton's sig line "make no small plans" seems appropriate.
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post #410 of 634
1/15/12 at 11:15am
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Hate to quote myself but based upon the Orbit Shifter appearance at Archaea's KC blind sub test this weekend, I thought I'd resurrect this thread.

This quoted post is from June 13th 2010 and is really telling about the Orbit Shifter subs. I'm guessing that those of you who got to experience the OS's run full throttle (or close to it) now get what I was saying back in 2010. There are some other interesting comments here and it is really a product that has to be experienced to be understood.

Sounds like you KC guys had a good time and I wish I could have been there. Thanks for all the hard work and prep Archaea and thanks to all who attended for their comments (Mark and Jeff too). It is great when we get real opinions from real folks and when manufacturers are willing to expose their products to such real time analysis. Well done guys. (Just read Archaea's comments about broken tile/mortar on his floor above his HT room . This is really getting out of control when our sound systems can destroy property).

BTW and OT, while you guys were getting slammed with bass I was watching the amazing SF 49ers play one of the best football games I've ever seen. It will be very cold in Green Bay next weekend but it appears the 49ers will be warm and at home. Good luck Eli, it will be interesting.

If you read this and are interested in a side bet PM me ...


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So you didn't hear me say that I was done upgrading? ...

Before Jeff left this morning he was running some in-room FR graphs and we decided to take another shot at the Incredible Hulk sound canon scene. I had my Digital SPL meter on fast C with peak hold. It read 127db peak @ LP, 13' from the horn exit. The Integra was at +5 so that's just about all I got.

As we went out the front of the house my neighbor from across the front drive came running up (luckily with a huge grin on his face) saying my god what were you doing? He was in his back yard easily 150' from my HT room and he has a water feature (a stream really) that normally drowns out any ambient sound. He said he felt the LF pulses rushing through his yard! He demanded a demo so this may become the new neighborhood e-ticket ride .

It was loud in the room but not REALLY loud. It was wave after wave of slightly nauseating but very clean sound pressure washing over you as the canon pulsed. It appears I am going to have to be very careful with the Orbit Shifters .

Crazy yes, but really fun stuff.
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post #411 of 634
1/15/12 at 11:41am
Hopefully, your very exclusive club will expand
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post #412 of 634
1/15/12 at 11:48am
These things cause structural damage.

To ears, houses, ears, and tile floors.

If you have a large room, just get it over with and get a pair.
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post #413 of 634
1/15/12 at 12:27pm
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These things cause structural damage.

To ears, houses, ears, and tile floors.

If you have a large room, just get it over with and get a pair.

True story. I can't stress enough how impressive these were. Archea cursed himself when he was bragging about nothing falling off shelves like they did when we played with them the night before. Last night when Jeff was letting the Orbit Shifters flex their muscles (and walls/ceiling), there was a moment when it was shaking the projector's image so bad that it gave the illusion(?) that the walls were visibly flexing/moving (like in inches) and for a moment I thought it truly was and wasn't the least bit surprised.
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post #414 of 634
1/15/12 at 12:36pm
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True story. I can't stress enough how impressive these were. Archea cursed himself when he was bragging about nothing falling off shelves like they did when we played with them the night before. Last night when Jeff was letting the Orbit Shifters flex their muscles (and walls/ceiling), there was a moment when it was shaking the projector's image so bad that it gave the illusion(?) that the walls were visibly flexing/moving (like in inches) and for a moment I thought it truly was and wasn't the least bit surprised.

Cool, I do this all the time if I want to show off. I use 4 subs though.
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post #415 of 634
1/15/12 at 1:00pm
A quick note about the OS's at the meet. I have NEVER experienced bass of that intensity! It was felt as much as it was heard. It was like percussive therapy. There was an extremely intense pressurization effect at least for a house.

It was played back way hot so not even close to normal levels and I would have loved to hear just one OS at the same levels we listened to at the meet so I could get an idea what it would do in my 5000 cu ft space. I feel this is the only sub in attendance that has the output to use a single in my room. I am not a bass head of course and I cannot imagine what 4 of these would do! There is no kill like overkill I guess.

I am very eager to learn the results of the meet because there was one sub in particular that had outrageous output and detail and I suspect it might have been the OS since it had such a distinct sound. I have never heard a horn before though so how would I know what to expect. Of course they probably just slipped the Klipsch subs in there again and I will look like a total fool.

But, for pure grins there is no beating the OS!
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post #416 of 634
1/15/12 at 2:00pm
I posted in other threads my impressions of the Orbit Shifters but I just wanted to say again that these things give you car audio sound/feel in a room. I've never been so impressed with a sub(s). RMK, I'm jealous! You must have a big room.
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post #417 of 634
1/15/12 at 2:02pm
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A quick note about the OS's at the meet. I have NEVER experienced bass of that intensity! It was felt as much as it was heard. It was like percussive therapy. There was an extremely intense pressurization effect at least for a house.

It was played back way hot so not even close to normal levels and I would have loved to hear just one OS at the same levels we listened to at the meet so I could get an idea what it would do in my 5000 cu ft space. I feel this is the only sub in attendance that has the output to use a single in my room. I am not a bass head of course and I cannot imagine what 4 of these would do! There is no kill like overkill I guess.

I am very eager to learn the results of the meet because there was one sub in particular that had outrageous output and detail and I suspect it might have been the OS since it had such a distinct sound. I have never heard a horn before though so how would I know what to expect. Of course they probably just slipped the Klipsch subs in there again and I will look like a total fool.

But, for pure grins there is no beating the OS!

Jedimaster, you have to buy one of these!! I'm getting all the forum names mixed up, you have the twins and live by k-10/k-7 right? I hope you didn't get into too much trouble.
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post #418 of 634
1/15/12 at 2:22pm
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I posted in other threads my impressions of the Orbit Shifters but I just wanted to say again that these things give you car audio sound/feel in a room. I've never been so impressed with a sub(s). RMK, I'm jealous! You must have a big room.

My room is approx 3600^3. They are large and not right for living rooms but in a dedicated HT room, they getter done better than any sub I have ever owned/heard.
As you might expect, I run them on a short lead most of the time. It is a lot of fun to let them off the leash on occasion.
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post #419 of 634
1/15/12 at 2:42pm
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Jedimaster, you have to buy one of these!! I'm getting all the forum names mixed up, you have the twins and live by k-10/k-7 right? I hope you didn't get into too much trouble.

Yeah, Carp it's me. I did not get into too much trouble because I got up early and took care of the twins while my wife slept for half the day to make it up to her.

I just might get one OS if I have the room. It is sooo close. I have been scheming how I could do it all day long. I can't wait to see the results of the blind listening. I can't imagine a better one sub solution when it comes to putting a smile on your face.

btw I kind of expected to have a massive headache after the pounding the OS gave me but it did not happen. Of course I gave myself a few doses of ibuprofen so I am sure that helped. This sub is scary!
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post #420 of 634
1/15/12 at 3:18pm
Glad to hear your wife let you live Jedi!

The OS made me involuntarily say holy sh!t out loud while plugging my ears. It was a full on assault. Blew the 20 amp breaker a few times until Jeff could get it on Jonathan's dedicated dual 20amps. It was an experience. I was expecting the projector to fall from the ceiling at any moment on to my head.
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