Originally Posted by phantom52
Depending on the speakers, in the case you pointed out (Klipsch) when you went to listen in the showroom were all the AVR's connected and calibrated to those same speakers? If not and I don't know, but I doubt it then yes you would be able to notice a difference, possibly a major difference. That's why in my post I stated that the only way to get what you want is to bring one home and connect with your speakers, then see if you do notice that big difference. Push 'em to the levels you like to listen with without causing distortion and see what each of those things will do. All of the AVR's you listened to are good choices, but you will not be able to find the "right" one for you until you bring it home, set it up correctly, and put all of them through their paces. Yes, your speakers will make the biggest difference, along with your room. I think you may find they sound closer together than you think if all of them are setup properly. The biggest difference between your choices will be the EQ programs they use. Audyssey,MCACC and YPAO are all different. Pick the one that sounds the best to you, with your speakers(not theirs) and its the keeper. This banter back and forth about the difference in sounds is only confusing a lot of members here and as I stated earlier would turn into a pi**ing match. All of choices IIRC have pre-outs and if they don't provide the power to your like add an amp later and then listen for any improvements. An Emotiva XPA3 is all you really need for the fronts and the AVR can do surround duty. Do this for yourself and if you do indeed hear a drastic difference between them you'll know the one you like best. Good luck and enjoy the hunt, hell it's half the fun of this crazy hobby.
Thanks and I understand and agree with your stance. It has been a fun last couple of weeks researching, although my wife wouldn't say so
, she doesn't like all the receiver/speaker talk. Her input was pretty direct; this one looks nice and its not too hot - or something to that effect. A entry level any brand would probably be adequate, as my Yamaha RX-V590 is seriously lacking (I looked up the specs
I just read a few threads in other forums wherein the member swear the Emotiva XPA3 drastically improved their sound quality, even some of their wives heard the difference as well... That is within their own home, by just adding the amp. I agree with their assessments.
So, I think I have convinced myself to go the separates route, with an external amp. Now I have to find the best equipped low cost receiver
(The below is not directed at anyone...)
I am one that leans on science (religion/evolution/etc), but sorry, when it come to sound there is room for subjectiveness. Think of it as two separate realms - science and perception (ones own reality). Science can test and measures sound in a vacuum and publishes the results (which are then interpreted through perception - like statistics, they can be presented to prove your own argument, i.e. like in court, same evidence proves both innocence and guilt).
Reality is tested by the individual tester (listener). Case in point, I can not hear some high sound levels (part deaf from years of chain saws
/etc.), but the sounds I can hear, I hear very well. You know, lose your vision, hearing improves; well, I lost some hearing, so whats left is improved in some areas (call it B.S. if you want - my reality
). The point is, what I hear is not what you hear, and definitely not what my wife hears
. Thus, sound is subjective; and kind of pointless to bicker like you kids are - state your argument, support it, and move on.