Panasonic 2010 LCD lineup U22 and C22 - IPS alpha? - Page 3

The manuals are posted now for these. I just downloaded them from Panasonic's site so I could learn more. I am really considering the 42" U22/U25 versus LG's LD520 model - if the panel is actually an LG - then I would probably favor the LG model because it is 120Hz whereas only the U25 is 120Hz for Panasonic. If the off-axis performance is the same for both, and they're both matte screens, then it comes down to smaller features.

Which one would you guys pick and why? Anything else I should consider?

Wow thanks for that excellent post. Had no idea about that TCON RTC stuff.

Ok, Here are the Macro shots I took of this years and one of last years panels...Sorry if the pics arent perfect was having to stand there and wait for a decent shot..Most were close by but had to travel a lil to see the X1 for my own to compare shots..



2010' Panny 42" LED 120hz-1080p (S-Ips)



2009' Panny 32" X1 720p (Alpha Ips)



2010' Panny 32" C22 720p (?-Ips)



2010' Panny 32" U22 1080p (?-Ips)



2010' Panny 37" U22 1080p (?-Ips)



2010' Panny 42" U25 120hz-1080p (S-Ips)

yep you photo's pretty much just showed that the 32" models are still IPS-Alpha's and the 42" are still S-IPS's

whats apparently changed is that the IPS-Alpha's must be using more RTC or Panasonic is using more video processing on the mainboard that is not defeatable because they have jumped from 15~ ms lag to 37~ms lag truly disappointing if you ask me

I agree with that sentiment, I feel pretty lucky to have found this S1 when I did haha

Heyyy - Interesting. Thanks for taking those photos. What looks better from the side? The << chevron type or the rectangular type?

IPS Alpha will begin mass production of its own 42" panels this month at the newly built factory in Himeji for fiscal year 2010. Go to IPS Alpha official site, and read the 2010.4.12 press release (pdf file). So I think Panasonic's next year's models will include its own alpha panels, not sure about this year's models though.

So These are infact Alpha_ips panels in the 37 and 32 inchs?? Is there any pixel subsrtucture or layout that matches this square one (alpha-ips) like so called e-Ips...

And also If they are Alpha-ips panels would it just meen it has a better pic to say since 2010 ccfl eefl have 20,000:1 compared to last years 15,000:1 but more lag due to processing??

Mentioned earlier the 42" u25 had some bad dark spots (didnt seem like clouding) that showed on a lighter color screen especially when panning...Also had some flash lighting on the bottom about 3 inches in not in the corners like almost all lcd's Sort of weird wasnt in corners but close to middle.. 42" u25 is S-ips panel So how is the uniformity on these Alpha Panels?? View mostly in dark room.
Reports of any Dark spots, Pillaring (sides are brighter then middle) Flashlighting etc??

Thank u to all that reply Paul J.

yeah it sounds like a typical characteristic of a certain LCD panel type. the 42U25 is using an LG panel just like your 37LH30.

many LCD panels have their own little quirks to them, unless its an obvious problem that bothers you with regular use i recommend trying to forget you even noticed it

I wonder If these are 10-bit panels and processors in the 37" led d2?? Can't find info on the panels or processors any where...

What would be some little quirks to the ips-alpha panel if any??

I don't see USB ports inTCL32C22 and TCL32X2 specs (the latter is, I suspect, overpriced version of C22 bundled with Ipod dock). Perfect as they are, Panny may need firmware upgrade sometimes, or am I missing something?

I am a little confused with the panel references. I am looking for a HDTV for my kids game room. I was originally planning for a 40-42".

I saw that the Panasonics were the preferred model last year, but it does not appear to have as good input lag as it used to.

I was also looking at the Sharp 40E77U, which seems to have reasonable input lag performance.

Can someone recommend a specific model number (Panasonic or other) that would provide good gaming performance. My kids play, Wii, PS2 and PS3. I want to minimize LCD smear. Black levels are not that critical. Lag and blur are the main concerns that I want to minimize.

Thanks.

I'd reccomened they panny LED tvs. They have ips panels and sell at a pretty good price. Very low input lag. For gaming. You can't go wrong with that tv.

ALL current IPS panels are 10bit. all Panasonic IPS TV's afaik are 10bit

10Bit though is really not relevant still because nothing but PC's can take advantage of it.

both the E77U as well as any Panasonic 32/37" model from last year have low input lag.

The 2010 Sharp's have yet to be tested and the 2010 Panasonic's that have been tested have more lag than last years models but are still good performers and i'm sure will be perfectly fine for you kids.

keep in mind that many console gamers happily play games on TV's known to be laggier than ever then new Panasonic models and that is my reasoning for making the above statement and not because they are "kids"

I agree, at 37ms, the input lag on the 2010 U22 Panasonic models are a heckuva lot better than most other brands with the possible exception of Sharp (not sure about Sharps' 2010 models though).

IPS (panasonic U22 for example) should also have less motion blur/smearing than most VA equipped televisions. <-- in general that is,,, no hard fast rules here i don't think.

My "kids" are at the teen years (well...two of them are) and this TV will be with them for likely as long as they are in the house, unless it breaks.

I tend to keep things for a long time, so I want to make sure I get the right product. I can get the 40E77 from "C", so this is what I think I will get.

I am looking for 40"+, since their gaming distance will make 37" look a little small. I was hoping for 42", but 40" is close enough.

I was looking at a 42" Panasonic Plasma, but my kids like to game with the lights on and from what I have seen, the colors wash out due to the lack of brightness in a well lit room, unless you run it in torch mode, which I would think is not recommened on a plasma playing games.

Lights washing out a plasma is not an issue and i can say this because we have a Panasonic 50X1 plasma in our living room and its perfectly fine on bright sunny days and we have a large sliding glass door as well as multiple windows in the living room it is located in. i regularly watch Baseball games in our back yard through the sliding glass door on it as a matter of fact. this is a pretty well blown out of proportion "problem" with plasma's that does not really exist except in extreme situations like the sun shining in through a window and onto the TV and even in that situation an LCD would not do much better.

that being said i would not recommend a Panasonic plasma unless you feel confident that you kids will not leave games paused on it for long periods of time because Temp IR and possibly permanent burn in could occur esp in the first couple hundred hours of use on the TV, Plasma's phosphors age quickly and stabilize after between 1000-2000 hours and after that point permanent burn in is highly unlikely but Temp IR will always be an issue if things are left on the screen for more than 20-30 min.

in the 40-42" size range i do not thing you can go wrong with the Sharp model your looking at so by all means go for it, its got my seal of approval and in my honest opinion Sharp as well as Panasonic are easily some of the best TV manufactures out there today.

Frito,

Thanks for the feedback. I am going to look at the Sharp model today at Costco, since I had not considered it before.

My basement "re-model" (due to a sump pump that went bad) won't be done for another two weeks or so. I hope these will still be around. If they are low on inventory, I may buy it, since this is last years model.

yeah i'd pick it up and put it in the garage till your ready to use it because while the E77U was never as popular as the Panasonic S1 Series i'm still sure they will not stick around much longer

is there a difference between the U12 and U22 aside from contrast ratio?

Actually, it can improve things if the image processing is done at 10 bits or higher. The resulting image doesn't have to be rounded down to 8 bits for display.

Some Toshibas claim 14-bit processing, probably for this reason, or maybe just as bogus marketing.

So No one has noticed any un even brightness or hot spots Light issues etc??? And if these are 10 bit panels why dont they list XXYcc Deep color Etc...???

Some of the Pic features have seem to be removed on this years sets compared to last years.. Want to get but tired of having to return crap have some high hopes for this Alpha-ips panel thnx

Trying to rapidly come up to speed on LED LCD's as our tube put on a fireworks display last night so I am unexpectedly now in the market.

Got the 50G25 for the living room - nice plasma, this will be going in the bedroom and doesn't need to be that big - probably a 37" - 42".

So looking at the LED LCD's -

Is the 'Full Array' the best choice in backlighting?

EEFL = ?

On Vanns the U25's are listed under LED full backlight, is this inaccurate?

The 42U25 in the $750 range caught my eye when it came up under LED LCD's.. other options in that range? Looks like the D2's are just starting to hit...

Thank you Jangaboo!!!! Finally some one keepin it real..LOL I will stay away from this model just because I need something with almost perfect screen uniform..
Lookin at Dell Ultra sharp 2711 now.. Or if any one has any good recomendations..

I'm trying to fine more info on Panasonics latest D2 sets.

http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-e...00000000005702

Does anyone have any info on these panels? I love my lx700 but can't figure out what to get next looking at 42 to 46 inch sets. Leaning towards panny plasmas but wouldn't be against an excellent LCD from Panny again.

Has anyone seen one? Who makes the panel? In starting to wonder if it is an LG panel? Insight?

thanks

dave, check out panny 42 D25 LED backlight or think about 42G25 reviewed on this web sight.