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post #1 of 16
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I am interested in cataloging my cds to a hard drive and then being able to access them via a computer to my stereo system.

I have a hard drive, two actually that are not being used along with keyboard and mouse. They have vista installed along with office software.

What I envision is being able to access this music from a ny tv in the home to see teh cd jacket. Then I simply select the cd or press shuffle for all day music. It would show the current selection on whatever tv I am near.

I have a audio processor with network capabilty and the related inputs for this funciton. My display devices are all conected via cat 5 cable to a central pvr.

What I would like help with is what is required for the computer to catalogue the titles and be able to access them. I have a learning remote but how would it communicate with the computer?

I also have ir repeaters set up throughout the home to control the various zones for music and movies so somehow I should be able to include the computer drive into it.

I appreciate any input.
post #2 of 16
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Originally Posted by kiwi2000 View Post

IWhat I would like help with is what is required for the computer to catalogue the titles and be able to access them. I have a learning remote but how would it communicate with the computer?

I also have ir repeaters set up throughout the home to control the various zones for music and movies so somehow I should be able to include the computer drive into it.

You need a choose a frontend or software interface for the music server, and then determine which infrared receiver works best with it. Here are four of the most commonly used.

1. Xbox Media Center
2. Xlobby
3. Mediaportal
4. Windows Media Center

Each has a slightly different style of cataloging and displaying music databases, and slightly different requirements for your folder hierarchy so I'd recommend reading up as much as you can on each and choosing which one suits you best.

Then you rip your music collection to the format of your choosing (IMO, FLAC and MP3 are the only two that make sense), and make sure everything is tagged properly.

From there, it would theoretically be as simple as connecting the soundcard in the server PC to your zoning amps, and tying its video output into your video distribution network (however your PVR serves all your TVs). Then you teach your learning remote the commands for controlling the frontend.

All of this, however, might be a lot easier if you simply used a portable control device like a smart phone or wireless tablet PC. Then you don't need the TVs on to control music and don't need to worry about the video distribution.

Hope that helps...
post #3 of 16
Thread Starter 
Thank you very much for the thoughtful reply.

I understand that the "frontend" is the product that will allow cataloging of the music and also allow access to selections and whether I want to play the entire disc, just a song or shuffle selections from the entire library?

This same front end should then work with the already installed ir repeaters?

Then I will be able to view jacket information etc on the various displays?

I like the suggetsion of the i products but I would like to use what I have on hand even if it is not the most elegant solution.
post #4 of 16
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Originally Posted by kiwi2000 View Post

Thank you very much for the thoughtful reply.

I understand that the "frontend" is the product that will allow cataloging of the music and also allow access to selections and whether I want to play the entire disc, just a song or shuffle selections from the entire library?

Correct. Frontend is another term for software interface. Most frontends (like Windows Media Center) actually have robust "backends" as well, meaning all the software needed to play the various media formats (video, audio, etc.) built in, but some (like the free version of Xlobby) rely on other free or payware to do the playback in the background.

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This same front end should then work with the already installed ir repeaters?

Not exactly. You will need an IR receiver connected to the server, and you will have to be sure the one you buy works well with the frontend you choose. Media Center has branded and generic IR receivers, USB-UIRT works well with Xlobby, etc. You'll have to do some research. Keep in mind that RF (radio frequency) remotes will obviously not work with an IR repeater system, so the receiver has to be IR and you should endeavor to make sure its codes can be taught or loaded into your remote.

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Then I will be able to view jacket information etc on the various displays?

As long as your music is cataloged properly, with cover art for each album either inside the tracklist folder or tagged into the music files.

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I like the suggetsion of the i products but I would like to use what I have on hand even if it is not the most elegant solution.

Have at it. Just know that it will be a lot easier to navigate with a frontend.
post #5 of 16
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I have media center in my machine already so all I require is the ir product that will work with both the computer,remote and the ir repeater currently installed.

I have the buffalo http://www.parts-express.com/pe/show...number=182-315
ir 100 reciever
Buffalo IR-350 Cabinet Mount IR Repeater

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/psho...4&ctab=13#Tabs

and power supply.

Can you please narrow it down a bit for me as to where and for what I would be looking for to go along with the equipment I currently have? Computer store or?
post #6 of 16
There are "Windows Media Center" remotes and IR receiver kits all over ebay and computer sites like Newegg and TigerDirect. Here is just one example. Your IR repeater should work fine with these. If you want one remote to also control any other gear you have, you will need to a universal remote like a Harmony or something comparable, and then teach the universal with the MCE remote or use the universal's software to load the relevant codes.
post #7 of 16
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Here is an excerpt from a review of my processor the marantz av8003," the AV8003 does feature a built-in media player. When you network the AV8003 with your computer or another DLNA (Digital Living Network Alliance)-compatible device via its Ethernet port, it shares your computer's music, pictures, and video content and presents them onscreen in almost real time."

So if I hook up the drive to the av8003 I should not require a keyboard or mouse or anything else? Video will be displayed on the display devices throughout the home when selected. I operate the hard drive via an ir blaster through a learning remote to replace a conventional keyboard and mouse?

With the built in DLNA in the processor do I still require additional stuff or would the media center in vista already installed on the hard drive along with the dlna in the processor do the trick??
post #8 of 16
Doesn't Windows Media Center do everything you need? Anything else is going to be dramatically more complex I think.
post #9 of 16
I'm getting a little confused by your adding in the Marantz, as I seriously doubt it has the ability to output it's front panel display over a video network. You simply run a jack from the soundcard of the server running Media Center into an input of the Marantz, whether that be optical, coaxial, or analog (mini jack > RCA) will be determined by your soundcard's capabilities. The Marantz itself doesn't have to do any of the networking or music management, it just decodes and amplifies the signal. Now, whether it can handle all the zones in your house is another question. Do you also have a mutizone amp?
post #10 of 16
Thread Starter 
Hi

I appreciate your patience.

I have a Marantz Av 8003 networking processor with separate power amplifiers connected to the Av 8003 for both the main and remote zones. Dual Marantz learning capable supplied remotes control the main and remote zones.

Yes the marantz is capable of displaying the selected input and making operational adjustments as seen over any display in the home.

I do not see how it could be accomplished without the Marantz as it is connected via cat5 cable to the repeater system and video displays.

Question

You mention the sound card in the hard drive..

That sounds to me as if the sound quality will be directly related to the quality of the sound card. I have no idea but believe that it is of the generic type as I did not pay extra for audio or video capability on the hard drive, although it is a new Dell desk top from 09.

If it is connected to the Marantz by way of the network connection which appears to be a phone jack connector type on the Marantz will the sound card still play a factor in sound quality output?
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I do not want to do all this if the sound quality will be substandard as an end product.

From your reply it appears as though I am closer than I think to adding this service to my system.

All I require is a windows media center remote kit and additional ir repeater for the hard drive. I can then use my remote and am good to go!
post #11 of 16
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Originally Posted by kiwi2000 View Post

Yes the marantz is capable of displaying the selected input and making operational adjustments as seen over any display in the home.

I do not see how it could be accomplished without the Marantz as it is connected via cat5 cable to the repeater system and video displays.

I am not familiar with your Marantz and cannot offer advice on using it in this fashion. If it is actually capable of networking and displaying enough data about all the audio on your PC to allow you to select individual tracks, albums, etc., then you really don't need a frontend per se, just a networked computer with music files on it. A media center frontend would be infinitely more elegant and user friendly though. Eithe way, it does sound like a nice piece of gear.

If you are capable of displaying the video output of your Media Center pc on every TV in your house, and if you are capable of controlling the media center pc via your IR repeater system (should be as straightforward as positioning the computer and a IR receiver where your IR repeater system can "hit" it), then it's a simple as connecting the audio from the PC to an input on your Marantz. You then control the PC over the IR network, the pc outputs audio, your marantz is the preamp, and your external amps provide the amplification.


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You mention the sound card in the hard drive..

That sounds to me as if the sound quality will be directly related to the quality of the sound card. I have no idea but believe that it is of the generic type as I did not pay extra for audio or video capability on the hard drive, although it is a new Dell desk top from 09.

If it is connected to the Marantz by way of the network connection which appears to be a phone jack connector type on the Marantz will the sound card still play a factor in sound quality output?

If your soundcard has a digital out (optical or spdif), then you would be relying on the DAC (digital-audio converter) in your Marantz and you should have no problem with audio quality.

I am about to head abroad for a few weeks, so unfortunately this is the last post I can make for a while. Hopefully others will chime in if you get stuck. Good luck.

p.s. certain terminology you are using is confusing matters. "Hard drive" does not equal "PC" or "Media Center PC." Though I understood what you meant, others may not. Also, unless you have really specialized, cutting edge TVs, I don't believe Cat-5 alone cannot transfer video. You must have some sort of balun or converter at the end of each Cat-5 run to convert it to a signal most TVs can handle.
post #12 of 16
It looks like the 8003 is a DLNA Renderer, among other things. That means that it should be able to play music from any DLNA Server.

You can optionally use a DLNA Control as a remote.

So your drives with music need to be served by DLNA Server software. You can install it on Vista.

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I have a hard drive, two actually that are not being used along with keyboard and mouse. They have vista installed along with office software.

The fastest way to learn is to try it a little. Just install a DLNA Server and start it up. The Marantz should be able to find it.

In reading about DLNA, you may also come across UPnP. They are similar. DLNA is a superset of UPnP. DLNA also has a lot of "official" industry support. It isn't yet a reliable standard, meaning you may have to shop around for something that works with your equipment. Maybe Marantz can help.
post #13 of 16
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Originally Posted by jriver View Post

It looks like the 8003 is a DLNA Renderer, among other things. That means that it should be able to play music from any DLNA Server.

You can optionally use a DLNA Control as a remote.

So your drives with music need to be served by DLNA Server software. You can install it on Vista.



The fastest way to learn is to try it a little. Just install a DLNA Server and start it up. The Marantz should be able to find it.

In reading about DLNA, you may also come across UPnP. They are similar. DLNA is a superset of UPnP. DLNA also has a lot of "official" industry support. It isn't yet a reliable standard, meaning you may have to shop around for something that works with your equipment. Maybe Marantz can help.

That is good advice.
Have you seen:
http://us.marantz.com/AV8003_Network_DFU_U_EN.pdf
http://www.last100.com/2008/05/27/dlna-certified/

But, Marantz may not be a good DLNA partner
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post15908389
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Originally Posted by darthgrader View Post

Apparently there are variations of the wav file format. I experienced the same issue with the QNAP NAS box which uses Twonky Media as a DLNA server to the Marantz. The Marantz unit is not specifically supported by Twonky Media (Packet Video). The Generic DLNA clients did not work with the Marantz either (for wav file format). However, after much experimentation I found that one of the devices in their list of supported clients would work with the Marantz and Twonky Media. I configured Twonky Media telling it that the Marantz was a "Netgear Digital Entertainer" and got wav file support plus a support for a variety of other formats. It is too bad Marantz was less than helpful with this situation. They claimed they were DLNA compliant, but failed to mention it was an early version of DLNA they were compliant to. Also, they also fail to address the issue that the AV8003 will not support all variants of the wav file format and that the wav file format is not part of the DLNA standard and therefore they can not guarantee playback of wav files. FYI, I tried burning to wav with both Nero and Windows Media Player 11 with the same results. I assume that TVersity is software you are running from your computer and not a dedicated music server. I did download TVersity to my PC, but really have not tried it to this point in time. QNAP was very helpful to me in trying to sort out my issues. I can not say the same thing for Marantz. It amazes me that I got good, honest, and helpful support from a company that sold me a $580 CDN NAS box and ignored, brushed off, and lied to by a company that sold me $5000 Msrp USD AV seperates.
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post #14 of 16
Here is what I do: Rip CD's using Widows media in wav (lossless) format to a folder on desktop. This also captures the cover art in virtually all cases. Rename the folder to add the CD number. Next, I use FLAC front end to convert to FLAC (lossless). Transfer the disc folder to an external hard drive. To playback the CD's, search the external hard drive for the CD number or title, etc., and play back the disc using Foobar or similar which accomodates FLAC encoded discs. Foobar shows the disc tracks and cover art. If you need more info, let me know.
post #15 of 16
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Here is the link to the marantz
http://us.marantz.com/AV8003_Network_DFU_U_EN.pdf

I am getting a digital wireless card added to the hard drive desk top to be able to receive internet updates. I am also hoping to be able to send stuff from one computer to the other via this link. The cable provider just installed the digital gateway modem/router.

If you look at page two of the supplied link it shows an Ethernet cable connected to the marantz. Will this one cable provide audio and video?

Will the remote for the marantz then be able to run the hard drive through this connection or do I need an i/r repeater?

These might sound like dumb questions, but....

I pick up the hard drive next week with the wireless card installed and hope to then start ripping, etc.
post #16 of 16
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What program do i use to rip cds? I tried roxio and media player they did not work.
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