HDMI 1.4 splitters - 3D TV/HDMI 1.3 AVR? - Page 2

Just dawned on me that a limitation of the PS3 being firmware upgraded to pass 3D video is it loses the ability to pass HD audio when doing so. The best you'll get is only DD/DTS even with the HD audio track selected. So we really need someone who is using an HDMI 1.4 Blu Ray player to test out whether these switches will split the 3D video and HD audio (as I believe both you and Vortec are using a PS3).

Edit: Just spoke with techs at both Rocketfish and Sewell and it turns out that neither of these switches will work to pass 3D video to an HDMI 1.4 TV and HD audio to an HDMI 1.3 AVR.

So back to square one if anyone is able to find a switch that works, please post. Thanks.

Thanks VERY much for the info'.

I am trying to do this exact thing too. I posed the question to their CSR and this was the email response I received:

"...If you are attempting to use a 1.3 receiver, it will most likely pull the quality down to 1.3 going out of both ouputs. so your display will no longer recieve the 1.4. "

So, correct me if I'm wrong, but that means you cannot get 1080p 3D with this splitter. 1.3 supports 3D with 1080i but not 1080p, correct?

Correct.

So... the most we can hope for at this time is watching 3D content in 1080i? If I can enjoy HD audio (while NOT in 3D) and not have to swap a bunch of wires, it might still be worth it to me. Hmm...

Keep in mind .. you can only get that from an HDMI 1.4 BDP, and not the HDMI 1.3 PS3.

Ooooohhhh.... Thank you - again

I have not rec'd an answer from this post on the Sammie 63" plasma blog...so maybe you guys/gals would know...
Got a Sam pn63c8000 connected directly to my DTV HR24 sat dvr. 3D on the 1 channel they offer looks great. Connecting it to my Sam 3D bluray looks great. BUT, when I connect both devices thru my 1.4 new Integra DTR40.2, the plasma displays a weird side by side pic--like a before and after left/right comparison screen. BUT not 3D. Tried a second Integra ... same problem even after updating it's FW and purchasing 'high speed' hdmi from both the sources AND to the TV.
Any suggestions ?

I am sitting in the same place as many of you having a 3D Television, but a receiver that only accepts hdmi 1.3. I experienced first hand watching a 3D movie and only receiving stereo sound through the optical cable, as the blu-ray was only providing DTS HD, which the optical will not carry. I have been looking for solutions and this is what I found.

Through an email response from customer service at Atlona, they verified their AT-HD-V12 hdmi splitter would provide 3D to the television while sending the Dolby TruHD and DTS HD sound to the 1.3 capable receiver. You can get the splitter on several websites for $150.

The solution I chose however, was to return my recently purchased Sony 3D blu-ray player and buy the Samsung BD-C7900 player instead. The unit offers 2 HDMI outs. Connecting HDMI 1 to the television and HDMI 2 to the receiver, I happily watched my 3D movie with DTS HD sound last night! The cost difference between the blu-ray players was half the cost of the splitter and I don't need to worry about plugging yet an additional component in with all the other electronics.

Calling Atlona to confirm, but thanks for the heads-up regardless

EDIT: I just got off the phone with Atlona regarding their AT-HD-V12 splitter and, no, it won't work if you're trying to split 3D signal to a 3D TV and a 1.3 received. Like many posts in the past, the receiver will interrupt (if you will) and the 3D won't pass through to the TV.

If I misunderstood the post - I apologize. I spoke directly with tech' support, FWIW.

Respectfully...

I spoke with an Atlona tech who said it "would" work and then after reading your post called back and spoke with another tech who agreed that technically it's not possible so it would not work. He did say that what "might" work is using the AT-HD-V12 splitter in conjunction with the AT-HDSync which apparently can copy the EDID from the 3D TV and "trick" the splitter to sending the HD audio to the HDMI 1.3 AVR, although it costs almost as much as the splitter. At a total cost for both devices of almost $300, the better option is likely to get a dual HDMI 1.4 BDP.

Yeah - a kind of bummer. The Sewell splitter is not going to work, like I was hoping, so now I'm considering stepping up from my 1.3 Onkyo AVR to a 1.4 Onkyo... I didn't want to do this, though, I knew this would happen, lol. The fact is, is even IF these splitters and sync devices, I would need two sets for my PS3 and 3D BD player, and that is almost as much as a new 1.4 AVR! I have enough wires going on to have to add more, so I'm starting to lean toward the replacement AVR. I have been annoyed with the last one in a few respects anyways, but that's a lot more money I didn't want to spend...

OH WELL! You gotta' pay to play! So far - I can't find any other alternatives

Keeping in mind the only reason you'd need it for the PS3 is to go back and forth between 3D and 2D BD's as the PS3 cannot currently output HD audio at all with 3D video.

I know the "slim" bitstreams, but will it in 3D mode?... If you already addressed this, I'm sorry to ask...

No, neither the fat nor the slim model can pass HD audio when playing a 3D BD.

Thank you, and sorry to everyone else

Respectfully...

Have they determined and announced whether or not that's a hardware vs firmware limitation?

Likely hardware ...

Is the ps3 slim hdmi audio while running 3d at least equivalent to an optical out, or would using an optical out (I'm assuming the ps3 slim has optical out lol and it could run at the same time) be better?

Yes it's either DD or DTS 5.1.

I wouldn't assume this but it's easy to get discouraged buy how incompatible everything is. They implemented HDMI to protect copyrights. Fine. But now their damn protection technology is so convoluted you're forced to buy new $1200 receivers every two years. ********. We need a class action suit!

Likely hardware because the PS3 is only HDMI 1.3 certified. If there was a software solution, then the recent 3.55 firmware update would have solved the issue.

Guess there will be another change of equipment if HDMI is replaced by HDBaseT.

I tried to follow your discussion - but my technical understanding is too limited. Therefore the scenario I envisage:

The BD 3-D Player is a LG BX580 Network 3D WiFi Connectivity Blu-ray Player with 1 HDMI 1.4 out. So far I attached it to my Denon AVC-A1 receiver (bought in Germany). The receiver has two HDMI 1.3. out, one of which passes through an PAL to NTSC converter to go to the TV and one which goes to the Mitsubishi HC 7000 projector.

As neither the Denon nor the converter are HDMI 1.4. I would like to attach a splitter to the LG player's out and use the 2 splitter outs to connect one line directly to the TV, which is a 3-D capable LG 47LX6500G and the 2nd out to my Denon AVC-A1 Receiver. Do you think that thus I get a) the 3-D picture to the LG 3-D TV and b) the sound on my surround system?

I know that I can't get 3-D to the projector/screen, as here it is a complete HDMI 1.3 line.

Thanks for meditating.

Michael

To date there have been no HDMI splitters that can do this, so no, what you envisage will not work.

Thanks for the rapid answer. You've helped me to avoid buying a splitter for nothing.

I guess I might use the player's HDMI connection to link it directly to the TV and use at the same time the component out/digital out to conect it to the receiver.

That way I should be able to profit from the 3-D picture - once I got the software - and would just loose the HD sound. Right? I just have to try out whether I can use the receiver's component in and still have those pictures go out via HDMI 1.3 to the projector.

Why has this be so complicated???
Thanks,
Michael

Correct. HD audio can only transfer over HDMI, although you won't really lose that much as most folks would be hard pressed to discern the difference in a blind test between HD DD/DTS and lossy DD/DTS.

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I just spoke with a KVM company rep and those KVM switchs are not any different then any other HDMI 1.4 switch ... both devices you connect to must be HDMI 1.4 so these switches won't work either.

Next time you replace your receiver, go with one of these. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1256280

Yep, the receivers that have 2 HDMI OUT's and let you turn ON/OFF either one of them would work best in this situation. My Yamaha RX-V867 gives me the options to turn ON HDMI1 only, HDMI2 only, HDMI1+2 and turn OFF 2 of them. I'm connecting the 3D TV to HDMI1 ARC and the non-3D TV to HDMI2 ARC. This setup has worked great for me.

this one supposedly works:

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10113&cs_id=1011306&p_id=7522&seq=1&format=2
Edited by machine156 - 10/11/12 at 12:55am