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Selling my Rocket 7.1...what to replace it with?

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
Due to a house sale and moving into a rental place, I just can not justify keeping the speakers due to size. In addition the buyer very much wants to keep the theater setup so is willing to pay.

My set includes:
RSC200
RS850 pair
RSS300 pair
RS450 pair
MFW15

So some questions..
1. What is a good estimate of what that set is worth?
2. What is a good 7.1 setup that will have a similiar sound, but in a much smaller package.

I am basically selling the entire theater, so need a smaller system to use in rental homes until we find another home to purchase. Recommendations?
post #2 of 21
Due to the AV123 drama, resale on their speakers has suffered a little, but having a complete (sans reciever) 7.1 setup with nice speakers, you should still get an OK price, but maybe not good enough to want to sell. Maybe try to shoehorn them into your new place and box up a pair of surrounds, downgrading to 5.1?
post #3 of 21
50-60% of what you paid is a good price.

Ron
post #4 of 21
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Originally Posted by RonaldoCombs View Post

50-60% of what you paid is a good price.

Ron

Agreed. I was in YOUR shoes a couple of months ago. I replaced my Rockets with Dynaudio. Needless to say, I'll never buy another Rocket. If you are trying to stay with the same sound, you might look for a speaker with the same tweeter as the Rockets(Vifa) to give you the same voice.
post #5 of 21
You're very lucky to have a buyer for your Rockets. Wish I could find one.
Personally, I wouldn't pay anything for a Rocket set up. Who would?
post #6 of 21
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Originally Posted by ravingndrooling View Post

...you might look for a speaker with the same tweeter as the Rockets(Vifa) to give you the same voice.

Having the same tweeter is a good start, but does not guarantee the same voicing. Different generations of Rockets, all using the same tweeter, sounded very different.
post #7 of 21
Ok, I'm sadly gonna break this down:

RSC200.....$250
RS850.......$750 pair
RSS300.....$400 pair
RS450.......$350 pair
MFW15......$350

Total.........$2100 or less if you can find someone that will buy the whole package (this is highly unlikely )

Replacement package, Aperion 5T setup (less the sub, get an HSU VTF 2/3,
(only say this cause that's what I have ie fanboy). Great speakers, non
fatiguing, good sound detail, beautiful finish, excellent center channel (better
than RSC200, more detail).....linky:

http://www.aperionaudio.com/product/...22,33,279.aspx

Or get the 4T series, same sound signature as 5T's. My 2 cents,etc.

vardo (if you want a Rocket setup I'll make you a deal you can't turn down)
post #8 of 21
This is what I have seen used Rockets go for used lately

MFW-$400

RS300-$350-$400

RS450-$400

RSC200-$300-$350

RS850-$800

Now for a package deal, if it was me, I'd tell him $2000. And if he haggles you down a little so be it. Unless you have all the boxes and are willing to sell seperately and do shipping.
post #9 of 21
Could you justify (size wise) keeping the 450's as mains and having the rsc200 for the center with rs300's at the side? If so, thats what I'd do. You could sell the 850's for $800 and have a nice 5.1 that would be tough to beat for $1200 imo.
post #10 of 21
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Originally Posted by ravingndrooling View Post

Agreed. I was in YOUR shoes a couple of months ago. I replaced my Rockets with Dynaudio. Needless to say, I'll never buy another Rocket. If you are trying to stay with the same sound, you might look for a speaker with the same tweeter as the Rockets(Vifa) to give you the same voice.

Even more important than matching the tweeter (which can be found in the Polk LSi line) is matching the mid. It produces more of the vocals than does the tweeter, which produces upper ranges of the female voice and semblance.
post #11 of 21
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Originally Posted by Looneybomber View Post

Even more important than matching the tweeter (which can be found in the Polk LSi line) is matching the mid. It produces more of the vocals than does the tweeter, which produces upper ranges of the female voice and semblance.

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Originally Posted by cschang View Post

Having the same tweeter is a good start, but does not guarantee the same voicing. Different generations of Rockets, all using the same tweeter, sounded very different.

Agreed, on both accounts. I stand corrected, thank you gents.
post #12 of 21
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Originally Posted by Bal View Post

Due to a house sale and moving into a rental place, I just can not justify keeping the speakers due to size. In addition the buyer very much wants to keep the theater setup so is willing to pay.
So some questions..
1. What is a good estimate of what that set is worth?

From your post I think you are asking what is a fair price for the system.
The home theater setup is worth whatever the buyer is willing to pay.
Chances are they are unaware of the issues that swirl around this company and there is no reason whatsoever to go into the details with them.
Since the buyer has seen / heard the system in action and wants it as part of the home purchase you have a motivated buyer and if the system will be part of the purchase price of the home it will be insignificant in the final tally.
If you have not abused these speakers and they are in pristine condition I would suggest asking for 75% (or more) of the price you paid.
If the buyer does not want to pay that amount ask for a counter offer and go from there.

If I was satisified with the system I would keep it, if you get something better chances are it will cost more than what you originally paid and if you get something that does not sound as good you will not be satisified.
post #13 of 21
Buy any speakers from a company that won't tank.
post #14 of 21
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Originally Posted by ravingndrooling View Post

Agreed. I was in YOUR shoes a couple of months ago. I replaced my Rockets with Dynaudio. Needless to say, I'll never buy another Rocket. If you are trying to stay with the same sound, you might look for a speaker with the same tweeter as the Rockets(Vifa) to give you the same voice.

I had the Rocket 750s and a RSC 200 and went to Dynaudio as well. For HT the Rockets were fine but for music not that great IMO. The build quality of all the av123 speakers I owned (Rocket and Reference) was very poor IMO. I have since bought Ascend Sierra-1s which I feel for the cost compare quite well to the Dyns (Focus 140s and 200C). If the OP will not be doing any music listening then the Dyns would not be the way I would go (cost). The Aperion line is a good suggestion and the trial period with free shipping both ways is great.

Of course I highly recommend the Sierra-1s for both HT and music with a much lower cost than the Dyns. One thing I found is the service with both Dynaudio and Ascend was about the best I have ever experienced.

Bill
post #15 of 21
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Originally Posted by Bal View Post

In addition the buyer very much wants to keep the theater setup so is willing to pay.

A motivated buyer I'd start with what you paid for them, and work down from there. Or, if you did not buy them on "sale" start with the "sale" prices. If you can get 75% of "retail" (not "suggested retail") that would be good.
post #16 of 21
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Originally Posted by chashint View Post

From your post I think you are asking what is a fair price for the system.
The home theater setup is worth whatever the buyer is willing to pay.
Chances are they are unaware of the issues that swirl around this company and there is no reason whatsoever to go into the details with them.
Since the buyer has seen / heard the system in action and wants it as part of the home purchase you have a motivated buyer and if the system will be part of the purchase price of the home it will be insignificant in the final tally.
If you have not abused these speakers and they are in pristine condition I would suggest asking for 75% (or more) of the price you paid.
If the buyer does not want to pay that amount ask for a counter offer and go from there.

If I was satisified with the system I would keep it, if you get something better chances are it will cost more than what you originally paid and if you get something that does not sound as good you will not be satisified.

I agree with the idea that the buyer likely is ignorant of the situation around the mfgr.

Since this is a very small piece of a larger transaction, I would definitely take into consideration how happy you are with the offer you got for your house, the happier you are, the closer to 50%, did they ding you for little things post inspection? Then maybe go with chasint's suggestion.

Ron
post #17 of 21
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

I had the Rocket 750s and a RSC 200 and went to Dynaudio as well. For HT the Rockets were fine but for music not that great IMO. The build quality of all the av123 speakers I owned (Rocket and Reference) was very poor IMO. I have since bought Ascend Sierra-1s which I feel for the cost compare quite well to the Dyns (Focus 140s and 200C). If the OP will not be doing any music listening then the Dyns would not be the way I would go (cost). The Aperion line is a good suggestion and the trial period with free shipping both ways is great.

Of course I highly recommend the Sierra-1s for both HT and music with a much lower cost than the Dyns. One thing I found is the service with both Dynaudio and Ascend was about the best I have ever experienced.

Bill

I had Sierras right before my Rocket set up...loved 'em. I don't think you can find better without spending quite a bit more. Before the Sierras I had 340s as well as 170s. Again, all very good for the price. When I had Ascend I was running SVS Ultras(12")....Needless to say I didn't like the match. I should have sold the Ultras and kept the Ascends, Oh well. At the time, I was looking for a more HT sounding set up. The Rockets fit the bill better for HT, as you said. I have since gone back to being more musical. lol Not that the Sierras or any of Davids other speakers aren't great for HT as well, they are. I just didn't dig the synergy between the Ascends and the older Ultras. I now have Dyns and LOVE them for music, and also an Ultra 13 which is a WHOLE LOT BETTER in its upper range compared to the older Ultras. They do great for HT as well, but I just don't care about movies anymore. Music is where my passion is. David and Ascend do also have some of the best customer care I have ever had the pleasure of dealing with as well.
post #18 of 21
Yeah...the upper bass of the old SVS's left a lot to be desired. Not something that people were willing to understand back then until they experience the difference.....ahh....memories, the old Hsu vs SVS wars.
post #19 of 21
Thread Starter 
Well, first, thanks everyone for your suggestions. It’s great to have a place to bounce these ideas around with knowledgeable people.

The buyer is motivated and as far as I know, is not knowledgeable on the subject. I plan on starting at list price and see what his response may be. I got the whole set on sale prices so I can work it a bit. As my fiancé always says, “if you don’t ask you never know what you might have left on the table”. Not to mention, I am selling projector, screen, pre pro, amp, game systems, battery conditioner…the works. The speakers are just one part (although visually they look like a major part)

And of course, if I do not get a decent price on them, I will just keep them, box them, and store them if necessary. (I kept every box…I am from the south and moved to the north, basements are a GREAT thing!)

You know what’s entertaining? I didn’t really know about all the AV123 issues until this post. Did some reading and WOW. I mean I missed a lot. My MFW15 did have the amp issue but they replaced it twice without pause. The second one should be the new design from what I read. But interesting to see how much drama can occur without one even knowing!

As for options I will definitely start researching:
• Dynaudio
• Aperion
• Sierras
• Ascend

Any others?
post #20 of 21
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Originally Posted by Bal View Post

Well, first, thanks everyone for your suggestions. It's great to have a place to bounce these ideas around with knowledgeable people.

The buyer is motivated and as far as I know, is not knowledgeable on the subject. I plan on starting at list price and see what his response may be. I got the whole set on sale prices so I can work it a bit. As my fiancé always says, if you don't ask you never know what you might have left on the table. Not to mention, I am selling projector, screen, pre pro, amp, game systems, battery conditionerthe works. The speakers are just one part (although visually they look like a major part)

And of course, if I do not get a decent price on them, I will just keep them, box them, and store them if necessary. (I kept every boxI am from the south and moved to the north, basements are a GREAT thing!)

You know what's entertaining? I didn't really know about all the AV123 issues until this post. Did some reading and WOW. I mean I missed a lot. My MFW15 did have the amp issue but they replaced it twice without pause. The second one should be the new design from what I read. But interesting to see how much drama can occur without one even knowing!

As for options I will definitely start researching:
Dynaudio
Aperion
Sierras
Ascend

Any others?

Just so you know Ascend and Sierras are the same thing. Ascend is the company that makes the sierra speaker
post #21 of 21
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Originally Posted by Robert Whitehead View Post

Buy any speakers from a company that won't tank.

Rob the Rockets aren't that bad considering that AV123 might tank. Also if
you got them at a sale price. The crossovers can be replaced per
skiing Nina (kind of expensive, but well worth it). The "Rockets" I have are of good build quality (ie no cracks in the veneer, etc). There is somewhat of a demand for them on the AV123 classified forum as long as that lasts.

Hopefully if you have problems with the drivers, or whatever in the future
maybe Danny Ritchie may be of help. It's always frustrating when you read
about the things that went wrong with the company and brings morals and
ethics into it, sours anything you own from that company. Allot of Rocket
owners and MFW owners feel that way...I know I do.

I've owned allot of different speakers in the past, for both home stereo
dedicated listening rooms: to two different home theaters areas in the
same house. Vandersteens, Mirage, Jamo, Klipsh La Scala's (for stereo with
right amp), Mission..Axiom, Atlantic Technolgy 350 THX, now Aperion speakers. They were all close to top models (except for Av123 x-ls series),
so it's not like 850 Rocket setup were my first speakers. As
noted they are pretty good for home theater, and that's why I bought them.

I'm glad that the OP has got a buyer. He just needs smaller home theater
speakers to go into a smaller place. I also think that using the 450's for
front and go 5.1 is a good suggestion. Curious to see what he gets.

But if your hell bent on upgrading, then ya, selling the Rockets might be
tough sell, because of reputation.

vardo
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