The Official Panasonic HDC-HS/SD/TM700 Owners thread - Page 40

Originally Posted by Quidsane

@mariner888

Yeah, well, I would love to... but it was a Christmas present for my mother. I shipped it several states away this morning!
I opened it up and downloaded new firmware, blah, blah, blah, so that it would be pretty much "plug and play" for her.
That's when I decided to run these .mts files up its flagpole and see who saluted!
Imagine my surprise!
I am definitely picking up another one ASAP.
In the meantime, I will DL that file for future testing.
Maybe I'll try it on the Oppo...

Originally Posted by Quidsane

@toni1:
Actually one of the screenshots I provided (the 6th one) shows what happens when you insert a DVD of files. It just lists them for you to choose.

Originally Posted by Ungermann

"1. Is it possible to download video on PC from DSC-TM700 taped in 1080/60p resolution and retain the same resolution (without downgrading to AVCHD or 1080i resolution)? How can I do it?" -- This is a tapeless file-based camcorder. Files are files, they do not change their content magically when you copy them from one storage to another. You can use any file manager you like, even command line.

"2. What software works with 1080/60p resolution video? Will this video work for editing on PC (no fancy stuff here, just join all the 1080/60p clips and create one long movie), specifically, will SONY Vegas Pro 10 be able to download 1080/60p video directly from camcorder and able to edit/burn on Blu-ray at the same resolution?" -- Sony Vegas Pro 10 works with these clips perfectly well. For creating AVCHD discs see here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKEP70GGjjA 1080p60 AVCHD discs will not work on every Blu-ray player.

Originally Posted by alainhubert

No you were not. It's just that the Operating Instructions manual isn't very well written in some places.

It should have stated that when copying files from internal memory to an SD card in the camcorder, you have the option of either making an exact duplicate, or convert that 1080p footage to 1080i (with a choice between HA, HG, HX, or HE quality level) without the need for an external computer.

If you choose to copy only, without conversion, it will result in a completely identical digital 1080p file in all its glory, the same as when copying onto a computer via USB for editing.

Originally Posted by myg

Hi all!

I do not think that Panasonic xx600\\700 to be color accurate, it seems more cool blue/green bias, this is mostly apparent when shooting skies or other blue objects.

When scene has no blue objects but has green\ urquoise color, then a really black object of scene seems to be a green bias.

Even after adjusting manual White Balance (WB) the bondi blue color disappears but then returns again AUTOMATICALLY after several seconds or if you turn off camcorder and then turn on it again.

It's not clear wether this bondi blue effect is connected with WB function or not. But manual WB is unable to avoid a cool blue/green effect in these models Panasonic xx600\\700!

Please, see attached pictures.

See the blue\\green bias of the wall to the left (on the first video frame)
and the color of the bridge (on the second video frame).

Have you any solution? Do you think that this problem is a bug?

Thank you for any ideas!

MYG

Originally Posted by rpwooste

A file is a file, you can copy from the camera over USB to a computer, or pull the memory card out (presuming you wrote to the memory card rather than the built in memory) and use a card reader to read the files.

Playback on a Win-64 PC is "easy" once you have the right combination of knowledge, hardware, and software.

The Panasonic software that came with your camera will playback your 1080P60 files on any PC assuming your PC has a fast enough CPU. The software uses CPU (rather than GPU) decoding, so it is entirely limited based on the speed of your PC. I know that a Core2Quad at 3.6Ghz is more than enough, a Core2Duo at 3.33Ghz is not enough. Obviously the threshold lies somewhere between, as you didn't state what your PC is, but only said Win7-64, I'll assume you have a Core i3, Core i5, or Core i7. Certainly any Core i7 is enough. Core i5's in the Quad core variety might be enough, Core i3 I would guess wouldn't be fast enough.

An alternative playback solution is to use the native Windows Media Player, or Windows Media Center - both of these are GPU (graphics processing unit) based playback tools in that if WMP or WMC detects you have a GPU (anything other than built in integrated graphics) it will insist on using the GPU. Unfortunately, even if you have a really fast video card it won't work unless you have an nVidia VP4 based card. For example, my GTX 275 is only a VP2 card and doesn't work. My GTX 470 is a VP4 (as are many cheaper versions too) and it works beautifully. You can check on VP4 by going to wikipedia.org and searching for "nVidia PureVideo".

A third alternative that I have found to be VERY successful at playing both the Panasonic files, plus other rather difficult formats, is the K-Lite Codec pack, get the "Full" version (it's free) it comes with Media Player Classic (don't confuse this with WMP or WMC mentioned above). Please note, as you're using the 64-bit version of windows you need to download both the 32-bit K-Lite pack v6.6 and the upgrade pack 6.6.1, and the 64-bit version 4.1 and install them in that sequence. Then you'll be able to play the files, again using CPU decode (assuming you don't select GPU decode in the settings - fortunately this tool gives you the choice between GPU and CPU).

Editing is a whole different matter, the Panasonic software can apparently do simple cuts and joins (I haven't personally tried it). Vegas has a good reputation. I use Adobe Premiere CS5, and it works well, this enables perhaps one of the best editing options out there, with tremendous editing flexiblity and the best audio suite I've seen. Having a CUDA enabled card i.e. the GTX 470 is a tremendous benefit to editing in Premiere.

If your end goal however is only Blu-Ray disks, you might as well save yourself a ton of hassle and just shoot in 1080i HA mode, vastly easier to edit, vastly easier to playback. However, you'll be missing out on the amazing quality of 1080P which I think is well worth the extra work, even if playback is limited to the PC (and apparently some game consoles too).

Roland.

Originally Posted by nkt38238

Hi Roland,

>>If your end goal however is only Blu-Ray disks, you might as well save yourself a ton >>of hassle and just shoot in 1080i HA mode, vastly easier to edit, vastly easier to >>playback. However, you'll be missing out on the amazing quality of 1080P which I >>think is well worth the extra work, even if playback is limited to the PC (and >>apparently some game consoles too).

hmm, I lost you here. Are you saying that I can not burn Blu-Ray with 1080p/60 resolution home video? btw, all blue-ray commercial movie BDs are of 1080p/24 format. I thought SONY Vegas,etc. would allow you to burn Blu-Ray disk with video w/ 1080p/60 resolution. Am I missing something?

Thanks.

Originally Posted by myg


Hi alainhubert,

Manual WB does not help in some situations when a bondi blue color appears.
This color will return back in several seconds after adjusting a manual WB!

Originally Posted by rpwooste

Yup, that's what I'm saying. Blu-Ray disks have various standards:
1080 24P
1080 60i
720 60P

None of which are as high data rate as 1080 60P which is what you want, it's not within the blu-ray standard.

There are apparently some blu-ray players that can play non-standard formats on a blu-ray disk that enable playback of 1080P60. If you search back a few posts you'll find someone talking about a cheap Sony blu-ray player able to play MT2S and MKV files at 1080P60 which is a very interesting find.

I imagine there are multiple newer players that can play 1080P60, but sadly it's not a standard, so it's a bit of a crap-shoot if you're sending someone a blu-ray encoded to non blu-ray standards whether they would be able to play it or not.

Best of luck,
Roalnd.

Originally Posted by nkt38238

That also makes me wonder.... is there any specific features of Graphics Card required (besides what you mentioned in your earlier message) to watch 1080p/60 from PC? Mine is mid range HDMI card which works well watching blu-rays. I will check out K-Lite codecs.

Thanks.

Originally Posted by rpwooste

Assuming you're using a TV connected to your PC, that's one additional caveat that your TV would need to be a 1080P60 TV, or 120, or 240Hz model. Older HD TV's may not be up to these specs.

If you're connected with a monitor, all LCD and CRT monitors can display 60P, although unless it's 23" or larger it's fairly unlikely to be 1920*1080 pixels, so may need to down rez.

On the video cards - if you're using a CPU decode and a fast enough CPU (i.e. Quad Core) then there aren't really any requirements for the video card.

If you are using GPU decode (e.g. Windows Media Player or Windows Media Center, and surely other solutions too) the only graphics solutions I've seen work are nVidia VP4 based cards.

Roland.

Originally Posted by David HT guy

Every once in a while with my SD600 I get the blue tint. I had this same problem with a Panasonic camera I had a while ago. It seems like Panasonic has not fixed their auto white balance system. My "fix" is to change the camera mode to playback, and then back to record. The camera then will recalibrate the white balance and almost all of the times will go to the correct colors. I have not paid any attention to what types of scenes cause this problem.

Originally Posted by myg

Hi David,

thanks for the useful info, I'll check it.

See how bondi blue color restores AUTOMATICALLY even after setting a MANUAL white balance (WB):
http://www.vimeo.com/18058557

The original color of lines on the building is blue. But Panasonic xx700 camcorder paints them in bondi blue in several seconds after right manual WB!

Regards,
MYG

Originally Posted by Danny Hays

I always set my white balance manualy, besides the auto is going the set it self acording to all the other colors in the video as well. If you set it to manual and set it, it stays right? Mine does.

Originally Posted by Danny Hays

Also when I set my white balance manualy, I don't get that shutter click that's on your Vimeo clip. What's that? I looked back on this thread where you say it changes after setting it manual. Are you sure your doing it right. You need to set it to Manual then zoom in on a pure white surface, then press and hold the white balance button on the screen untill it stoppes blinking. This makes no clicking sound I heard on your video. You colors should not change unless you light it differenty afterwards. It only takes a sec to set it when you change location or lighting. This way my clothes and skin tones match from scene to scene. I find it easier than doing it during the editing. I'm using the Tm700 BTW. Hope this helps, Danny Hays

Originally Posted by pjc3

I cannot help but get involved as it was intriguing me.....

When I do my white balance, I too get the colour shift a second after the manual set but during this time the manual white set icon is flashing! When the colour changes to the "bondi blue" this is when the icon stops flashing. This to me indicated it is still white setting while the icon is flashing and it not a matter of the white set being unstable but that the "bondi Blue" is the TM700 version of the correct blue for that manual whiteset.

Originally Posted by myg

But the blue before icon stop flashing is a REAL color of the object and after - the color is not a TRUE color.

Originally Posted by pjc3

Agree ....I was more indicating the white balance is not "unstable", it just takes until the icon stops flashing before the camera is finished its balancing.

ps this is really confusing have two halves of the conversation on two threads!!!

Originally Posted by myg

Do you think it's time to open dedicated thread?

Originally Posted by Quidsane

Haven't gone through this whole thread yet (working on that now) and don't know if this has been mentioned yet.
I posted about this on camcorderinfo and I think it bears repeating here (if it hasn't already been discussed):

I have discovered something!

I've discovered that the VERY inexpensive Sony BDP-S270 can play the 1080p/60fps raw video from this camera when placed on a USB stick.
Player displays "1080/60p" while playing.

After the discovery, I tested three file extensions (.mts, .m2ts, .mkv) and they all worked!
The .mts file (00000.mts) was dragged right of the SD card straight out of the camera (which the Sony detected as "M2TS").
The .m2ts file (20100821_212439.m2ts) was imported off of the internal flash drive with HD Writer (no conversion). The Sony detected this as "M2TS" as well.
The .mkv file (20100821_215351.mkv) is actually an .m2ts file with the extension changed. This was detected as "MKV". Then I BURNED THE FILES TO DISC and
YES! The future is here! Everything played flawlessly! Some screenshots here (notice the video bitrate at the bottom left):




Tried this same experiment on my Oppo BDP-83 and it will not recognize .mts or .m2ts as file extensions.
Oppo only "sees" .mkv. Alas, the .mkv was too much for the Oppo it would "stutter-play" the file.
Too annoying to watch for more than a few seconds.

But that is all moot because now we have this Sony BDP-S270.
This player is 100 bucks (give or take) at freaking Wal-mart!
This is the lower end of the Sony spectrum so I would expect that the higher end models (BDP-S370, etc.) can play these files as well.

YAY!

I only changed file extensions for experimentation purposes.
If you copy an .mts file right off the SD card straight out of the camera, the Sony BDP-S270 will detect it as "M2TS".
This works on USB flash drive and on standard single-layer DVD5 (4.37gb). I have not tried with DVD9 or BR Disc.
I used Nero to burn .mts files as DATA using "DVD-ROM (UDF)" as compilation type.
I am still completely amazed about the fact that the Sony can handle these files

My sincere apologies if this has already been discovered/discussed.

Originally Posted by jogiba

The 6 Core AMD X6 Phenom CPU's work better than any other CPU in it's price class for video encoding and the AM3 motherboards are lower in price than the 1366 or 1156 motherboards that are used with Core i7 CPU's.

Originally Posted by alainhubert

Yeah, I'm new to the world of Mac and I'm still an optimistic fool. Sometimes I miss the good old days of my Commodore Amiga 2000 with its Video Toaster.

Originally Posted by v1rtu0s1ty

Hey folks, just got my TM700 today. I wasn't aware it doesn't come with the HDMI cable. Where did you buy yours? Thanks!

Originally Posted by galileo2000

Amazon has mini-HDMI to HDMI (that's what u r looking 4) for $3.20 shipped.

I've ordered one, not sure why , usually I just copy video files from the cam to my PC and play it from there.