The Official Panasonic HDC-HS/SD/TM700 Owners thread - Page 48

How can I do that?

....OK I found it.
Any known settings, for the best capture?
Is better the 1080/50p recording or the 1080HA with digital cinema on?

I filmed some footage with the camera in various formats , then I transferred them to my PC via USB mode (the Panasinic HD software was not installed at that time in my PC) After I installed The software which came with the camera, theat software doesnt seem to detect any of the files saved on my PC , is it that this software can detect files only directly from the camera? or is there any other way?

Directly from the original media.

Hi ravi.or.raj,
If you download the files directly from the camera via USB to a Computer Folder via "Streams" and not via the HD Writer AE 2.1 Software, then the HD Writer does not recognise the files, this is due to the fact that the HD Writer Software uses it's own Folder structure.
You can referance the Manual on page 117 about connecting to the PC and also on page 127 you will see the folder structure for the built in Memory and the SD card.

Without HD Writer AE 2.1 you are just keeping the actual MTS File but with AE Writer it stores the complete BDMV Folder structure...Install it and you will see what I am talking about.
I have 2 HTPC's and on one Computer I have the HD Writer Software and on my other computer I do not...I will download my Video and Pictures to each computer before deleting them from the camcorder.

If you still have those files (Video & Pictures) in your camcorder then no problem....once you install the HD Writer software on your computer, you just need to connect your camcorder via USB, the software will automatically see your camcorder and allow you to still download them via HD Writer.
By the way I usually just use "Simple Copy" when transfering from my TM-700 to Computer via HD Writer Software.
If you have already deleted them, then you will be able to save future files via HD Writer.
It's not a big deal though...many people do not even use the HD Writer software and just save the Video MTS and or Pictures.

Have Fun,
Bud B

He could also have copied the entire folder directly, without the HD Writer software, and it would still be able to register them. However, if he just copies .m2ts and .mts, then as you say, it will not register.

Hi workinghard,
Or is that HardlyWorking LOL!


I'm not real sure if that is the case..I know that on my HTPC that does have the HD Writer Software, when I do look into the main Folder in "Windows Explorer"
that stores all of the individual sub Folders of Video shot per date, at the very bottom of all the Folders is the BDMV with Playlist folder structure that the HD Writer uses.

I have always let the HD Writer Software perform it's "Copy to PC Function" and let it add both the new Folders and the Directory Folders.
I have not tried to Copy and Paste (With HD Writer Off) the Folder structure from the Camcorder manually over the top of the Windows Explorer HD Writer Folder Structure.
I would be afraid that I would or could corrupt it if not performed perfectly and then ALL of my folders could Fail in HD Writer when it was opened and trying to Access the Folders.
Plus it's already on the computer so I might as well let it do it's own thing and not worry about it.
No Harm No Foul sort of thing.
But if there ever was a problem I would still have my Video files just not the use of the HD Writer.

I did Copy and Paste the Entire Folder Structure into a 2TB External Drive..
Meaning that when I went (In Windows Explorer) into "Library" then to "Videos" and then the Drop Down "My Videos" Folder (just like "My Pictures") I right clicked on "My Video" and just Copied it and then Pasted the Entire Video Folder intact into my WD 2TB External HDD.
I would then think that if I changed the referance point in my HD Writer Software as to where the Video and Pictures are Stored that the HD Writer Software would open them from,
the WD HDD the same as it now does from my "C" Drive. Because it is all the same..the only thing that would change is the Drive letter from "C" to "J" if you get my drift.
I will be trying this and see if there is a problem, If so I can just put HD Writer back to my C Drive.

Which I may need to do anyway because even though my C Drive is 1TB, I may need to start filling up my WD 2TB External with my TM-700 60P Files.
Right now ALL of my TM-700 60P Files are duplicated and kept on 3 Hard Drives.
Two 2TB WD Externals and one 1TB Internal HDD...Hopefully all 3 will not Crash at once!
I lost Video & Pictures once before, it will not happen again.
I am a strong believer of the old saying, "Fool me once, Shame on You! Fool me Twice, Shame on Me!"

It's Friday..Yippee!

Have a Great Weekend!
Bud B

Ouch man, why the burn? Actually, I am online a lot these days job searching....even when i might should be doing other things, so I frequently drop by avs just to take a couple seconds break and throw in my valuable ha'penny.

But...I have copied everything from my computer to external hdd and back, no problems. And I have copied directly from sd card and organized it the same as the HD Writer does, no problem.

In the end, all the HD Writer does is register the folders, and if the files are the exact same, and they are in the same place it expects them, then it registers them fine. If even one file is gone, however, it will unregister the entire folder. I have played around with it a good bit, and while it certainly has odd eccentricities, they are quite consistent and controllable, if insane sometimes (like allowing previous versions of video from other pany camcorders that have been edited witht he previous HD Writer, but not those that havent. I simply can not understand that one)

Hi WorkingHard,


I couldn't help it!
With a name like WorkingHard I would think that I am not the First.

Sorry to hear about your Job situation!
I am Luckily employed but no one really feels Secure these days!
Crazy days..It's Frustrating & Scary if you are Employed worried about becoming Un-Employed and Un-Employed trying to get Employed!
I think my Parents had the last Good Days!
Dad with a Pension, Mom did not work and was always home for Us Kids!
Life is really going backwards!
Good Luck on you getting back into the Worried to Keep your Job Status!

I hear ya about the HD Writer Files, as I add new Vids, I will need to Update my External HDD so I will need to play with adding the File Structure.
I can't Delete my External and then Copy and Paste from my C drive everytime I add a new Video from my TM-700.

I'll play with it this weekend..

Good Luck,
Bud B

Well...the first forum I ever joined was a diamond forum, before proposing. My name there was workinghard4smallrewards. Because they are so expensive....but, most forums do not have enough space allocated for the username...so i get stuck with just workinghard. Oh well Too sentimental to change it though.

As to the economy, it is only backward if you are not in a rising economy. The chinese would have a different description of current events

Back to the HD Writer...what do you mean copy the format when moving to external hard drive? Just drag and drop the folders yea?

Thanks guys, I guess Ill start using HD writer correctly now.

Im having a few more issues , I shot a few clips on the TM700 in the digital cinema mode, then I tried to edit them in sony vegas HD platinum , I used the raw .mts files as it is in the edit .
The files seem to edit OK , but after rendering its not playing well, I rendered in several formats (1080 HD 24P windows avi, quicktime etc) , any movement in the video has a trail effect to it .... do you guys have any tips on editing these files? In the last try, even audio didnt come!

btw when I create the project in sony vegas, I let the video decide the frame type of the project, sony vegas detects these files as 29.3 something FPS files, I thought the Digital cinema mode would have 24 fps or so ..

It uses 2-3 pulldown.

Did anyone ever have a problem with frozen or fuzzy focus and a constant "Press the Reset Button" that does not go away ? Thats for the HDC-SD9, though the SD5 seems to give similar errors.

Ok so I'm sure this has been answered somewhere in here, but there are so many pages already its hard to sift through.

I shot a music video on this baby in "digital cinema" mode for the 24p and did the necessary reverse telecine through jes deinterlacer on a mac after clipwraping the files to .mov. everything worked great, editing in FCP was great. The only thing is, now looking at some other 1080p material I purchased online from stock footage sites, the image quality is MUCH better than what I got out of the DC mode on the camera.

I saw a few sites which show how to pull 60p into 24p (NOT slowmo). Would this yield better picture quality since the bit rate in 60p mode is much higher than that of the DC mode?

Would this even be good to do?

So it comes down to this...for the absolute BEST image quality in the final 1080/24p result, should i shoot in DC mode, or 60p mode?

Thanks again!

60p uses higher bitrate, DC (with correct pulldown removal) avoids frame blending and 2-3 judder. It is a toss-up, though I would prefer using native frame rate.

This camera is not the best choice for shooting 24p.

Hey Guys, I just uploaded this short film we made over the weekend.
It was made at almost zero budget , shot in about 3-4 hours and edited on the same day.

It was shot without any additional Lights , the sound is from the camera itself (in "Focus" mode , and Automatic gain disabled) .
I used the digital cinema mode , and used the files directly in edit , without any conversions/removal of pull down.

the Screenplay is more Narrative and dialogue based as I just wanted to write someting I could shoot and edit in the same day without much hassle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8NiE6Yl5H0

Would like to hear your comments/feedback on the same .

Thanks Ungerman for the speedy reply.

Yea I am not sure, I have been up in the air about this for a few months now. Like i said, my first video came out ok shooting in DC mode, so Im not too worried, but I would like to know if shooting in 60p and then doing the conversion to 24p would give me an exceptional picture compared to the DC mode.

Also, if this camera is not best to shoot in 24p (which i pretty much understand now after having spent the money on it already lol ) would it be alright to shoot a music video in 30fps? (60i or 60p with 1/2 the frames thrown away). Most music videos I have seen are in 24p so im not sure, i did see a few in 30p.

Also here is the link to the video so you can see the quality of the picture and tell me what you think. (i was editing it for about 9 weeks so my vision may be skewed on it by this point in time lol). http://www.youtube.com/user/ZilosMusic?feature=mhum

I would love to hear what you think, there are some scenes which were shot in 60p for the slow motion, so i guess if you really can't tell the difference between the 2 shot types, maybe im just overthinking this whole problem... or it could have something to do with my lighting / settings on the camera for iris and everything else. I am very new to video so I could very well have shot it a bit wrong. I noticed WAYYY better quality when doing some model-behind-the-scenes-photoshoot kind of video footage at 60i, outside on a very beautiful day last week, so lighting may have something to do with it?

pathosmusic, I am not the one to give advice on music videos (though I know a bit or two about it, but I haven't done one myself).

Your video looks fine to me. Yes, it lacks "pop" and detail, possibly because you did not have enough light, like you said. You need lots of light to get the most from these tiny cams. But this video looks fine to me, fits the purpose.

You may want to shoot at 60p, drop every other frame making it 30p, and then slow down to 24p for dreamy look. This means, you need to speed music to 125% speed at time of shooting.

A short 24p video I made yesterday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFG2u0fkcV8

Hi all,
I just got off of the phone with Panasonic Camcorder Tech Support.

I asked about the 4GB file limit and does that also exist when using a SDXC card formatted with exFAT.
The Tech Support Rep said that YES the 4GB File Limit size is an internal Camcorder feature and not reliant on the Card used.
I asked, is that because the Internal Memory is FAT32 and that overrides whatever external Media Card that is being used.
I believe that she said yes.
I asked if there would ever be a Firmware update to change that and she was non committal on that.

So there ya have it...The TM700's and I Assume the 900's are all 4GB limited.
Just join the files.

Have a Good one,
Bud B

This is actually good news because SDXC cards are way more money and it's better to have (2) 32GB cards than (1) 64GB card. If a card goes bad at least you have some of your footage.

i just got my new cam today i could not believe it ..i got the ts700 for less than most stores around here sell the tm700. Of course i must of done something wrong capturing cause when i got the files imported into nero they looked awful. I guess i'm suppose to capture them in hd writer as avchd files not 1080 p60....oh the learning curve!

The reason it might be cheaper is because HDD's tend to be problematic in small devices that get moved and shaken a lot.
Your 1080p60p files should look amazing although I had the TM900 and it was easy getting those files off the card.
I didn't use HD Writer, I see no point since I don't care about preserving the directory structure. I'm used to doing it manually.
AVCHD will look worse than the 1080p60p files. What exactly is makingthem look awful and how are you playing them back? If you are using aMac that is also another problem as you have to rewrap them in a new container.
For a PC you need your PC to be able to handle teh file and have the correct codecs.
More details would be helpful.

Hi KravenCache,

I have 2 HTPC's.
On one I have HD Writer 2.1 and on the other I do not.
The only reason I use both options is for variety and because I have the option and computers available to do so.
Though I consider the HD Writer HTPC as my Backup for my Video Files.
It is my Main Computer (without HD Writer) that I View and Edit my TM-700 Video Files.
I watch with Cyberlink's PowerDVD 10 and I edit with Cyberlink's PowerDirector 9.

When connecting your Cam to the computer you will go to what is now an external drive letter and go through the file structure to "Streams" and either "Drag & Drop" or "Copy & Paste" the MTS Files to a Folder.

You then need to find a decent program to view these files.
You will find many Software Programs discussed in this Forum to use..
For PC you will see as available options:
1) PowerDVD
2)Media Player Classic - Home Cinema (available in 64bit) Free Download
3) VLC, - Free Download
4)Windows Media Player 12
And many more..A simple Search will yield many results.

If you have an Apple you can search for MTS Players that will work with MAC.

Lastly with 1080/60P files, you need a computer that is up to the task to play MTS 1080/60P Files!

Given all of the above your Videos should be exquisite!
I am still blown away by the Video & Audio quality of these Panasonic HD Cams.
If yours do not look good then something is really wrong!
Have you connected your Cam via HDMI To an HDTV to see what they look like right from the Cam?
If they look good there, then they should also look Great on your Computer.

Good Luck and Yes more Information on your setup would be helpful.

Bud B

Hi i am totally new to the cam. I treid to use the upload feature in Nero Platnium 10 and it didn't seem to work. I will try again. I uploaded in HD Writer but selected 1080p60 and nero didn't recognize that either. I suppose i shouldve selected avchd in hd writer?

My computer is a laptop dv7-3157ca upgraded ram 8gb
everything seems to run great so far. just me learning is problem i will try again today

media plays files great

i hooked the comuter speakers up to home theater while running clips on media palyer10 and WOW does the camera record great sound...!

I had no luck with Nero Platnium 10 this is why I now an using ROXIE 2011 Pro.

no luck as in what exactly? I figured out how to add my files in nero, thanks to Bud in this forum. But i notice they aren't as clear as they should be in Nero. I set up custom and 59-94 frame rate and hd1929 1080 as suggested and its not clear. I used HD writer yesterday to capture and then uploaded to You Tube and it worked fine. Is this a nero glitch? I'll post to Nero tech support.
my files run great on my machineHP dv7-3157 ca hp with Nvidia Cuda and 8 gb ram wd7 i7


http://www.youtube.com/user/palmtree.../0/KkMwW-fhltg

Hi KravenCache,
When I use HD Writer to download my files off of my Cam...
After I hook the Cam to my computer via USB I then wait and HD Writer will launch itself and it will show a Screen with two options..
I use the "Simple Copy" mode and then it will usually start checking the Internal memory and then show the number of Scenes (Video) and Pictures.
If I need it to search the Card then I select that and then click Execute and the download will begin.
After it is done exit the Copy function and the HD Writer opens to show my files.
You can even play the files from inside HD Writer.

If you open Windows Explorer you can find your individual folders for your Video's and Pictures.
Look into Libraries - click Video and another Video Folder is seen, now click it and you will see all of your folders by dates recorded.
In Pictures the same thing, you will find your Pictures folders per dates taken.

If you are using HD Writer then you really do not need to Drag & Drop or Copy & Paste from the cam to Windows Explorer.

I believe there is a selection available inside HD Writer where you can specify where your Video and Pictures Folders are to be stored.
The Default is on your C drive but you can also store them to an External Drive, in my case I have a WD My Book 2TB External that I use for my TM-700 files.
I do not know if you are familiar with moving around inside "Windows Explorer" Creating New Folders and Naming them etc...
If you are not HD Writer may be your best option, because all you need to do is connect your Cam and let HD Writer download and locate your Files.

One Quirky thing about HD Writer, when it first launches after connecting your Camcorder the Simple Copy choice comes up, after that it does not.
So, if I have files on both Internal and a Card, then after doing let's say Internal Memory..I exit HD Writer and disconnect the Cam and then start all over with connecting the Cam via USB and then selecting Simple Copy for External Memory SDHC Card.

Later,
Bud B

Quick question. I recently copied the files from an HS700 to an SD card using the built in function of the HS700. The files seemed to copy over correctly, but I was then unable to read them in via iMovie 11. Is this a known issue with iMovie or did the copy function not work correctly?

Hi ErLupo,


I found this in a Search...

It seems that there may be a problem with the Native and Raw AVCHD files from the Panasonic.
Also may be a problem with 1080P compared to 1080i.

I am a PC user so hopefully there will be an Apple user that will chime in with more specifics on your application.

Here is a link to the page that I viewed.....
http://www.macworld.com/article/1552.../imovie11.html

I am sure that your problem is Apple/MAC related and probably what you did in the Cam for transferring from HDD to Card went fine.
In my PC based Computer your Card would work flawlessly.

Good Luck,
Bud B

thank you. i will try to read the same files through another program that i bought that should handle the avchd files directly. I'll report if that works. i will say that if that is the case, iMovie needs to get it together in 2011!!!