The Official Panasonic HDC-HS/SD/TM700 Owners thread - Page 49

to Bud B..thanks for the reply i finally have it working. one thing more though. I notice that the HD Writer is not recording the files as 1080 p60, instead it's converting to AVCHD. can I change this?

Anyone ever bought this kit?
http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-HDC-...2&sr=1-3-fkmr1

I know the quality of these conversion lenses wont be anywhere near the quality of the official Panasonic conversion lenses but how are they anyway?

Theirs an old saying that you get what you pay for but the value of this bundle doesn't look that bad. I'm still thinking if I should take the plunge.

Small clip done with an HS700 and iMovie 11. Comments/criticisms welcome.

Fairfield

...made this video. Had to use HD Writer, Nero wouldn't capture. (as soon as i unplugged the cam vid clips gone?) HD Writer converts to AVCHD, couldn't find a way around that either. I probably over did it in the export as i used Blu Ray AVCHD and it took about an hour to export the 2min vid. So, i won't do that again. I reread an earlier post of Wither and it said to not use Smart Code on export so i will try that on the next clip.
this clip takes a bit longer to download but its pretty clear.

http://www.youtube.com/user/palmtree.../0/kmJlYJsbJy0

I shoot on 1080 50p.
I believe its the best picture.
Only thing is that I don't know if is betterthe manual or IAuto settings.
For the moment I shoot on manual with soft skin and intelligent contrast on.
Is there any other setting to pay attention for?

Finally, I took the clips from the memory card (via card reader) and render them to a final avc file and the audio to ac3 file.
TSMuxer gave me an AVCHD folder, burn it to a DVD+R disk.
Inserting the AVCHD disk in my PC's DVD drive, the disk is automatically recognised and play.
I used 50p settings and a speed of 20Mbps on Vegas and 50fps / level 4.2 on TSMuxer.
Since I don't have neither blu ray player or PS3, is it possible that the disk is playable in the above player's?

I also use the Zoom H2 4channel digital recorder.
The result was amazing:
The 4 channel sound from H2 is much better than the 5.1 of TM700.
You can understand the separation of channels more accurate than the sound of TM700.
Only problem is to synchronise the 2 audio (TM700 & Zoom's).
But the result is out of discussion.
Zoom H2 sound is the total winner!!!

The conversion lenses in this set is 52mm, so you need a 52mm to 46mm step-down ring to use them. I have bought a 46mm 0.45x wide-angle lens that fits directly to a HDC-XX700/HDc-XX900 camcorder from ebay US$25.I am very happy with the results. You can see test video taken with HDC-SD700 at this link:http://www.vimeo.com/22207732

Hello there. I just registered here, mainly because of this forum thread, since I own a TM700.

So far I've been very happy with the camera, it is indeed one of the best handycams I played with.

I've been looking for some lenses for it though, and I haven't found that many tests or anything besides wide-angle lenses. I'm sorry if this has been asked before, but I'm in a bit of a hurry and don't have time to scroll all the 49 pages, only read about 15
What lenses do you guys reccomend for the TM700 that are already available?

Cheers.

OK, so I was transferring a bunch of video from the cam to the pc
via HD Writer and on only one of the videos, I get this error:



Weird thing is, HD Writer is transferring the video.
I'm getting the whole clip.
What I'm not getting are the three support files (.cont, .pmpd, .tmb).
The vid in question is the highlighted one:



As a result HD Writer does not list/recognize this video.
I've tried erasing and transferring again, rebooting and transferring again,
copying from SD card to internal cam memory and back again. This error only
happens when transferring this specific vid to PC. Maybe it's corrupt?
Is there a remedy for this?
Any way to recreate the three support files (.cont, .pmpd, .tmb)?
Maybe some other solution?

Called Panasonic support. Guy was a total knob, to use a phrase I haven't uttered since the 80's. He said "there's something going on with that file". Pure genius. Anyhow, I'm inclined to believe the file is just fine because it plays on both WMP and Media Player Classic with no problems.

The support monkeys are good for two things only:
1) To channel your question or bug request to technical people who are in the know.
2) To provide you with RMA number.

Hi Quidsane,

I am not sure about this, but I will check MY HD Writer and see what it looks like. I have never had a problem with it so I never really opened up my files like you did..
Did you try to bypass HD Writer and just copy the MTS file itself to your Windows Explorer via BDMV..Streams...MTS File?
Your original will still stay on your cam.
Can you play the video on your Cams Screen?
I'd almost think that your HD Writer Software is corrupt but if you uninstall and reinstall what about all of the files already in it's download folder?
If ALL Other Files work OK and it is just this one File I would think that there is something internally wrong with the file.
I'll check mine and get back to you.

Hi ErLupo,

I thought that it was a Great Clip!
I need to try and get that with my Cyberlink's PowerDirector 9 Software..I just got the Software and to be honest I have not tried a project such as yours....
How long did it take for you to complete it?

Awesome,
Bud B

Bud,

It took me an hour or so, but it is mostly fishing through footage to find the the right clips. I didn't realize that the clips would fade to black as quickly as they did, so the parts of the clip that I really wanted to show off didn't show up as I would have wanted. The production value is quite high though, and I have to thank Apple for that.

Too kitsch-y.

Hi Garalara,

You have probably seen these You Tube Videos which do deal with "Wide Angle Lenses."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZtQYXm3-NE

Also Check out this Article about the 700's, it discuses some JVC Lenses.

http://http://www.luminous-landscape...rs/tm700.shtml

Lastly I found this other post about a JAG35 Pro and Camcorders including the TM-700..I do not know if it interests you or not..A Google Search may turn up more for you too..

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1308807

Good Luck,
Bud B

Good job of saying nothing. Thanks.

You asked for opinion. I expressed an opinion of mine. If you think that I said nothing then google the word "kitsch". Or should have I used the word "cheesy"?

Hi ErLupo,
Don't take it too seriously, I think that Ungermann was referring more to the Subject Matter itself (thought it was Cheesy) and not to the Technical Good or Bad of an hour of your time spent to put the Video project together.
I especially like the closing Credits.

Where I just looked at the overall project itself and the Technical side.

Though my subject matter would be different and probably out of 100 people so would everyone else...
Mine would probably be Music..I shoot Band Videos or maybe Dancing Girls...LOL

Every Friday Movies open at the Box Office, go figure why some make Millions and are a Hit while others do not.

That's where the saying, "Opinions are like A _ _ Holes, Everyone has one! LOL!

It's all Good....

Now when I post a Band Video I put together and Ungermann say's, "Man, Bud that's Cheesy!"
It may be what I was going for all along and it is a Great Compliment to the fact that I got it right! LOL!
If not, that's OK too...It's all Good!
It's just playing around with Video..and trying to learn...
I do not think that the next Martin Scorsese is in this thread and anyone has anything to worry about!

So, keep having Fun.....that's what it's all about...Getting the Family involved..Well in this day and age..That's Good Too!
One Man's Cheese may be another Mans Glorious Omelet! Bon Appétit!

Later,
Bud B

I can see why he would think I was cheesy. However, since it was my first attempt at timing and composition of a scored clip, I was hoping for a better breakdown of the clip.

I see that you want a critique. I don't think it's cheesy and kitsch isn't exactly cheesy. That's a poor definiton of kitsch. The actual definition is below.
Considering you are doiing Basketball I'm not certain how much leeway you have, I mean it's not like you are making it look like "Gone with the Wind"
Anyway my take is that it tends to blast you with a clip and then BLACK and then a clip and then BLACK so it's a bit too high impact. I think a fast fade would have been better. The jump between clips is too sudden.
I think it will look good with some tweaks and not as much WHITE on BLACK because it's like the video is screaming at you. I think longer clips with less switching would be better and more warm colors with less IMPACT.
Also a Big event should be put in there just running around the court is what they do. I'd highlight a Great shot like a basketball spinning on the rim and then breakaway so that you are left wondering and then say something clever and then show the shot going in. The audience cheering at that time amped up a bit would help as well.
I think as far as the timing it looks good except as I mentioned above.
The end credits look good, but you could try something different and see how it plays.
Anyway I'm hardly a professional critic.


Kitsch (English pronunciation: /ˈkɪtʃ/, loanword from German) is a form of art that is considered an inferior, tasteless copy of an extant style of art or a worthless imitation of art of recognized value. The concept is associated with the deliberate use of elements that may be thought of as cultural icons[1] while making cheap mass-produced objects that are unoriginal. Kitsch also refers to the types of art that are aesthetically deficient (whether or not being sentimental, glamorous, theatrical, or creative) and that make creative gestures which merely imitate the superficial appearances of art through repeated conventions and formulae. Excessive sentimentality often is associated with the term.

The contemporary definition of kitsch is considered derogatory, denoting works executed to pander to popular demand alone and purely for commercial purposes rather than works created as self-expression by an artist.[2] The term is generally reserved for unsubstantial and gaudy works that are calculated to have popular appeal and are considered pretentious and shallow rather than genuine artistic efforts.[3]

Thanks Steve, I appreciate the breakdown. The main thing I didn't like about the clip was that the pieces had to be way too short. However, trying to compose it, I realized that my filming isn't much about the people as much as it is about the game. So, I have to alter that going forward, because while the game is what it is, the emotions is what I will want to remember.

I agree on the black fades, while dramatic, they did take away from the action. I'll try again, maybe doing it myself instead of trying to work within iMovie's little framework, but for a first try, I wasn't too displeased.

"Considering you are doiing Basketball ... it's not like you are making it look like "Gone with the Wind"" -- Exactly, thanks Steve. These titles, stars and music do not correlate with the type material nor with the manner it has been shot. Come on, moving a camera left-right from a single sectator's point - this is lazy and trying to dress it up with pompous titles and music is both cheesy and kitsch. Also, do you really want to show some real action, do you want a viewer to follow the play, or do you want to fake dynamics with fade-outs and fade-ins? You need to work harder to pull this sort of video off. Also, is it supposed to be a 20-second promo clip or a recording of a game? Fast cutting, changing of speed and fades are fine in a short promo, but no one watches a full game shot like this. It all should happen with normal speed, and the best you can do is emphasizing shots, hits and misses, and for this you need several cameras. Or, you can try combining shots (video) made from several shots (players') into one, if they ever try making the same type of shot again.

Did I say enough this time?

I think he was given a short length of time to show a Promo as a short advertisement. I could be wrong about that tho.
Pulling off a 40-60 sec ad is really really hard compared to a lot longer clip IMO.
You need more WOW shots to pull it off. Movie trailers often show part of the ending for the Wow factor in the commercials.
The Wow in this case needs to come from the action on the court and great shots the players are making and lots of cheering from the crowd.
I give ErLupo credit he's trying and learning how to do it well, is tough.

You did, but you also showed me that instead of teaching you need to show off your expertise. I had already stated that trying to put that together was a learning experience, because, as a coach, I film the games to improve strategy. That requires the fixed camera location.

As a parent/learning videographer, I need better shots to convey the memories. The Trailer feature in iMovie 11 is interesting, although, as you say, cheesy.

To claim that I am lazy because I chose to experiment with editing in a way that I usually don't in a suite that is created to make things simple for casual users is quite pompous if I say so myself.

Before berating a newbie's first attempt, you may want to be constructive. I have harsher words, but I'll keep it civil.

I am not berating anything, I simply express what I think, I just don't put sugar in it. Isn't it what you asked for? I am not saying that I can do better, in fact I cannot. But I don't try to make a mundane home video to look like an NBA promo. This is what kitsch is.

If you want to capture all the action to improve strategy and such, you need to have longer takes, not short flashes.

Being closer to the action will help to get these chairs out of the way, on another hand you want wide angle to capture the whole field. Solution? A high chair or maybe a ladder or something to shoot from above. Or a wide-angle adapter. Or both. And another camera or two to shoot from the edge of the field. Combining the three will make a great video. For that you need some helpers. I personally have no one. Neither my wife nor my friends are interested in video, only one friend of mine is doing still photography.

I agree on the higher angles. That gym was HORRIBLE for that. I do have the luxury of another parent who tapes, so maybe i'll be able to do the other shots while they keep the wide ones.

Again, though, that trailer was done with a premade trailer from Apple. They have all the timing, I just tried to put the right action in it.

What I learned is what you and I are both saying. the action has to vary to give the movie life. Taping from the stands is pretty much just that, lifeless (although I did catch a kid punching another on film that way).

I do have a wide angle lens adapter, but the G10's lens is already quite wide. The positioning in that gym just was not optimal.

The problems filming in a gym are monumental. If you look at all sports they are now covered by a ton of fixed and moveable cameras so you rarely get anything more than a short pan or a zoom in on some action.
That's the advantages of having millions of dollars of equipment and a broadcast booth.
You simply have to decide if you want interesting video which allows you to switch between angles and shots or get one overall shot of the entire game.
The overhead shot is more clinical and up close stuff more interesting that is why a blend is neccesary.
Ideally you could put a B-cam up on a pole where you can see everything and it's fixed that way. Just press REC and let it run until half time then change out the SD card and battery and spend your time getting those up close shots that make the game so interesting.
Like all videographers you have to know what you want for a shot and go out and get it. Ideally a steadicam like the Hague is ideal because you can move quickly and the video will be smooth. Then edit in overhead shots when appropriate and focus more on the action.

At least that is what I would do, but then you'd need a cam for your fixed shots and a good position for it ideally on the 50 yard line dead center and high enogh up that you get what's going on and mounted so it won't get knocked over. PVC pipe and a Ball mount would work wonders here.

Of course this requires money for a steadicam and another camcorder.

Recently I bought two used HD camcorders for about $200 each on eBay, not mentioning the SD600 that I've got for $300 and which I am very reluctant to sell. I don't need that many camcorders, but $300 for 1080p60, come on ;-)

Yep, using footage from the fixed cam as a base track, and adding closeup shots on top of it, you may get some nice video. On another hands, for closeups you will have to work really hard with smooth panning and with proper focusing on a particular player.

No one ever said it was easy, but it is worthwhile. Taking those first steps is the hardest thing to do.

I actually have three cams, although one is only going to be around for a little while. My TM900 is good for outdoors, actually great for that. I used it filming my girls playing soccer and was more than happy with the final edits. My HFG10 is in the hands of Canon right now and who knows when they will give it back. Finally, I picked up and HV40 for dual purpose - archiving and editing HDV and DV footage. Once I'm done with the archives, though, it is going back up on ebay.

I like filming from center court high in the stands for game tape purposes. I've filmed with the WA from the corners (my XA10 movies showed that, earlier) and now, I think I'll start moving around with my recently purchased Halorig (star trek, anyone).