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post #1591 of 1624
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Originally Posted by myg View Post

Please, can you tell me - does HD writer reencodes 1080\50p video when it copies it to external SD card connected to PC? Or it simply creates AVCHD directories and copies m2ts to SD?
HD Writer will copy from the camcorder to any data storage you select without transcoding. You can pick the drive and folder on that drive, including an SD card plugged into the computer. It will copy the m2ts files and a couple other small files created by the camera. They will be exact duplicates.

I'm not aware of an option for HD Writer to create the AVCHD file structure on an SD card that is inserted in a computer's card reader.

However, if you have used HD Writer to copy the video and extra files to your computer, it has the option of putting them back on the camcorder in the AVCHD structure that the camcorder uses. The purpose of this feature in HD Writer is to allow you to use your camcorder as a portable media player.

What exactly are you trying to accomplish? Why are you transferring from an SD card in the camera to an SD card in a computer?

Bill
post #1592 of 1624
Hi Bill,

Thank you for the answer.

I do not know how export option is named in HD writer because I use Russian version.

If you plug in a card reader with SD card to computer USB port, you will see it in HD writer during export.

The reason for me is to play my video on Panasonic dmp-bdt120 player.

This player supports natively 1080\50p video, I have called to Panasonic.

I use SD instead of USB drive because I have found that M2TS files play with problems from USB drives.

According the Panasonic player User's manual they support AVCHD play back from SD card, not from USB drive.


MYG
post #1593 of 1624
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Originally Posted by myg View Post

Hi Bill,
Thank you for the answer.
I do not know how export option is named in HD writer because I use Russian version.
If you plug in a card reader with SD card to computer USB port, you will see it in HD writer during export.
The reason for me is to play my video on Panasonic dmp-bdt120 player.
This player supports natively 1080\50p video, I have called to Panasonic.
I use SD instead of USB drive because I have found that M2TS files play with problems from USB drives.
According the Panasonic player User's manual they support AVCHD play back from SD card, not from USB drive.
MYG
MYG,

Sorry I didn't reply sooner. I was camping in a remote area without internet access for a few days.

The English version calls it "Copy to Media". There are lots of choices. You should be able to "copy" to both an SD card in your computer or to an SD card in the camera if it is connected to the computer.

I have an older version of Panasonic player, the BD30. It does very well accepting SD cards with AVCHD 1.0 files. That does not include 50/60p because it was not included until AVCHD 2.0. I don't know if the 120 player is 1.0 or 2.0.

I'm not where I can try it, but I think I was successful at playing 1080p files from DVD data disks. I used windows to copy the .m2ts to a standard DVD and played it on the Panasonic Player.

If you are not successful, I can try a couple things when I get to my office next week.

Bill

PS: Assuming you are Russian, you may recall we had a "Cold War". During that time your country kept a couple of submarines off our coast that were full of missiles that had nuclear bombs on them. My job was to fly over and drop a torpedo with a nuclear bomb on your submarine before you could launch your missiles. If I had been caught communicating with a Russian back then for anything (including video software) I would have been arrested! Two of our squadron airplanes were equipped with special secret gear that could spy on your surface ships and do things like count the nuclear bombs aboard! So, in a sense, I was even considered a spy! I'm glad those days are over.
post #1594 of 1624
bsprague, thank you for reply.

Very inpressive postscript for me. As your great Henry Ford said: "Only several peolpe in the world begin wars, but millions suffer".

You carry back me to 1960 when American reconnaissance aircraft was shaked down in USSR sky.

The pilot was Francis Gary Powers, I think you know.

Recently I saw on TV that in USA still exists Jackson-Vanik amendment that was introduced during Cold War.

USA farmers protest because they can not sell efficiently with Russia that became a World Trade Organization member this year.

Mitt Romney declared recently that if he will president of USA, he will carry out a severity policy with Russia...

Unfortunately, I think that Cold War is still a reality frown.gif
post #1595 of 1624
I have a close friend whose father flew the same missions as Gary Powers, but was not shot down. My friend did not know about it until recently when he searched Google for his fathers name. He confronted his father who said, "I couldn't tell you about it because it was a secret." My friend is now working for an airplane company that makes a new variety of spy planes.

So, maybe, if enough of us make friends over internet conversations about fun stuff like videography, the powerful people will loose the ability to continue the cold war stuff.

I watched the speech where Mitt said he would be tougher on Russia. I only have two I could vote for. I'm not sure yet, but he may have lost my vote on that one.

Bill
post #1596 of 1624
Hi, Bill

I think you are right: international cultural exchange is a powerfull instrument that restrict abilites of some powerfull people.


Returning to video... my BD-120 do supports 1080p\50 nativelly and without erors BUT ONLY FROM SD CARD.

When I play AVCHD (M2TS) from tm700 via USB drive there is a lot of interruptions.

Panasonic says that they supports only MKV and MP4 from USB. This is a very strange limitation.

MYG
post #1597 of 1624
Try copying the m2ts file to a DVD. I do not mean to make a video DVD. Copy it with Windows like a backup file. My Sony BD player will play data disks with 1080p60 files on them.

Instead of using a USB connection while playing from the TM700, why not use an HDMI wire to the TV directly from the camera. That works well for me too.

I'm not sure, but I think it is the USB specifications that can't handle the size of the 1080p50/60 files.

Bill
post #1598 of 1624
I have used playback from camcorder via HDMI cable during last 2 years.

This method gives the best quality but it is inconvenient because of I should copy back to camcorder film after video montage and connect

camcorder agian.

When I have obtained BD-120 I have the same quality playback from SD card.

It 's more convenient because I should not connect camcorder - only insert SD card to BD player.

DVD is not convenient because I have large video files > 4 GB and I should devide them into many DVDs.

I think the best way is to playback from network folder of my PC. I think there is no need even a mediaserver for this task.

But first of all I should decide what lossless file format I should use.

Now I struggle with MP4 format. I have tried lossless remuxing m2ts to MKV, it plays without errors but I see little quality degradation.

I have noticed that after remuxing to MP4 there is no video degradation. But the sound is not good after remuxing.

If I will solve problem with sound I will be able to play back my video from metwork share of my PC.

Another way is to use DNLA and mediaserver but I should install codec to support m2ts on PC.

Unfortunately, I have an old core 2 duo PC that playbacks

m2ts 1080p\50 not smoothly as my BD.
post #1599 of 1624
myg,

The way I solved it was to buy a WD TV Live media player. It takes everything, including .m2ts 1080p files, and plays them on my big TV.

Bill
post #1600 of 1624
I have asked WD support about this device 1.5 years ago, they replied:

Dear Mr.,

Thank you for contacting Western Digital Customer Service and Support.

After further reviewing your information, please be informed of the following.

At the moment the H.264 with a Level 4.2 codec is non supported by the WD HD Live Media Player. There is a good chance that you will be able to use files in this format and play them with this device, but Western Digital will not support this, nor we have any further information available regarding this type of files.

If you use the media player for these type of files, they might work and play normally in your device, but, this is at your own risk.

If you have any further questions, please reply to this email and we will be happy to assist you further.

Sincerely,
Western Digital Service and Support


Therefore I have decided to wait untill Panny produces compatible BD player.

MYG
post #1601 of 1624
...to the point, I have solved last evening my problem with sound in MP4 files.

I have found an appropriate codec for Panny.

Lossless MP4 (remuxed without reencoding from tm700 m2ts file) plays with original quality from USB NTFS drive.

I'm ready to put it on my PC and play from netwok or from NAS.


MYG

P..S. I have read today in the Internet news that a Jackson-Vanik amendment will be repealed in USA in September 2012.
post #1602 of 1624
Hi all,

what is at this moment the best mediaplayer for playing 1080/50p back in 50p on a HDTV, as I find a lot of weird specifications about only playing in 24p.

Ronald
post #1603 of 1624
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Originally Posted by ronaldstark View Post

Hi all,
what is at this moment the best mediaplayer for playing 1080/50p back in 50p on a HDTV, as I find a lot of weird specifications about only playing in 24p.
Ronald
The $90 WD TV Live plays AVI (Xvid, AVC, MPEG1/2/4), MPG/MPEG, VOB, MKV (h.264, x.264, AVC, MPEG1/2/4, VC-1), TS/TP/M2T (MPEG1/2/4, AVC, VC-1), MP4/MOV (MPEG4, h.264), M2TS, WMV9, FLV (h.264).


Additional Notes:
  • MPEG2 MP@HL up to 1920x1080p24, 1920x1080i30 or 1280x720p60 resolution.
  • MPEG4.2 ASP@L5 up to 1280x720p30 resolution and no support for global motion compensation.
  • WMV9/VC-1 MP@HL up to 1280x720p60 or 1920x1080p24 resolution. VC-1 AP@L3 up to 1920x1080i30, 1920x1080p24 or 1280x720p60 resolution.
  • H.264 BP@L3 up to 720x480p30 or 720x576p25 resolution.
  • H.264 MP@L4.1 and HP@4.1 up to 1920x1080p24, 1920x1080i30, or 1280x720p60 resolution.

Website: http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=330
post #1604 of 1624
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Originally Posted by bsprague View Post

The $90 WD TV Live plays AVI (Xvid, AVC, MPEG1/2/4), MPG/MPEG, VOB, MKV (h.264, x.264, AVC, MPEG1/2/4, VC-1), TS/TP/M2T (MPEG1/2/4, AVC, VC-1), MP4/MOV (MPEG4, h.264), M2TS, WMV9, FLV (h.264).
Additional Notes:
  • MPEG2 MP@HL up to 1920x1080p24, 1920x1080i30 or 1280x720p60 resolution.
  • MPEG4.2 ASP@L5 up to 1280x720p30 resolution and no support for global motion compensation.
  • WMV9/VC-1 MP@HL up to 1280x720p60 or 1920x1080p24 resolution. VC-1 AP@L3 up to 1920x1080i30, 1920x1080p24 or 1280x720p60 resolution.
  • H.264 BP@L3 up to 720x480p30 or 720x576p25 resolution.
  • H.264 MP@L4.1 and HP@4.1 up to 1920x1080p24, 1920x1080i30, or 1280x720p60 resolution.
Website: http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=330

Bsprague, thanks for the quick reply.
This is what I meant, I can not figure out what exactly the format is my SD-700 produces in 1080/50P mode. Can the WD TV Live play it in 50P output or not?

Thanx ,

Ronald
post #1605 of 1624
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Originally Posted by ronaldstark View Post

Bsprague, thanks for the quick reply.
This is what I meant, I can not figure out what exactly the format is my SD-700 produces in 1080/50P mode. Can the WD TV Live play it in 50P output or not?
Thanx ,
Ronald
Your camera, if it is like mine, in the default mode will shoot in "AVCHD", which means it makes files that end in ".m2ts". The highest quality level will be 50p. Your camera may have an option to take video that have files ending in .mp4 for Mac owners. No need for that.

My workflow starts with using HDWriter to move the files to the computer because it does a good job of cataloging, previewing and clipping (as necessary). Then I copy the file to an old external HDD, rename the file in Windows Explorer so that it has plain english in it, like "Softball game.m2ts". Then I plug the HDD into the USB on the WD TV.

Later some of my clips will turn into real videos with Adobe Premier Elements and it will make all sorts of finished files that will play on the WD TV live, my computer or iPod.

The reviews of the WD TV Live can be mixed regarding WiFi streaming or internet movie watching (as compared to a Roku). But, it always gets top marks for playing back homemade video and photos.

Bill
post #1606 of 1624
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Originally Posted by ronaldstark View Post

I can not figure out what exactly the format is my SD-700 produces in 1080/50P mode

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post #1607 of 1624
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Originally Posted by bsprague View Post

Your camera, if it is like mine, in the default mode will shoot in "AVCHD", which means it makes files that end in ".m2ts". The highest quality level will be 50p. Your camera may have an option to take video that have files ending in .mp4 for Mac owners. No need for that.
My workflow starts with using HDWriter to move the files to the computer because it does a good job of cataloging, previewing and clipping (as necessary). Then I copy the file to an old external HDD, rename the file in Windows Explorer so that it has plain english in it, like "Softball game.m2ts". Then I plug the HDD into the USB on the WD TV.
Later some of my clips will turn into real videos with Adobe Premier Elements and it will make all sorts of finished files that will play on the WD TV live, my computer or iPod.
The reviews of the WD TV Live can be mixed regarding WiFi streaming or internet movie watching (as compared to a Roku). But, it always gets top marks for playing back homemade video and photos.
Bill

Thanks Bill. I have indeed the European version, so highest quality is indeed 50P. I was looking for a mediaplayer, so I don't have everytime copy my files back to SD when I want to see my files on my HDTV. At this moment I have't done any editing, so I have the original files on my HD, transferred with HDWriter. do I need to merge all files together to one m2ts file to play it with the WD TV live?

Ronald
post #1608 of 1624
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Originally Posted by ronaldstark View Post

so I have the original files on my HD, transferred with HDWriter. do I need to merge all files together to one m2ts file to play it with the WD TV live?
Ronald
No. Don't merge anything together. Copy them on to a generic portable USB drive of some sort, even a thumb drive. Then plug it into the WD TV player and a nice menu shows up with all your video clips.

Bill
post #1609 of 1624
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Originally Posted by bsprague View Post

No. Don't merge anything together. Copy them on to a generic portable USB drive of some sort, even a thumb drive. Then plug it into the WD TV player and a nice menu shows up with all your video clips.
Bill

so even if one event I shot in several pieces don't need to be merged? does it works the same way as in HDWriter?

Ronald
post #1610 of 1624
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Originally Posted by ronaldstark View Post

so even if one event I shot in several pieces don't need to be merged? does it works the same way as in HDWriter?
Ronald
We may be talking about two different things.

My understanding is that you are keeping your video files on your computer. When you want to watch them, you copy them back to your camcorder's SD card and use the camcorder as a "media player" by plugging it into a TV. That process has been hard for some due to SD card files structures. HDWriter has that feature built in and makes it easy to copy files to the camcorder or SD card.

HDWriter is a NLE (Not Linear Editor). If you are merging or joining video clips, it never changes the original files. Instead it makes new copies. If you have taken 5 (or 100) clips at an event, you can put them together as a new single video. While you are doing that, it allows you to trim out parts you don't want. As an NLE, it is unique in one way. Since it will only work with files from certain models of Panasonic camcorders, the output to final files can be a perfect technical match to the originals. It can also make lower quality (Standard Definition) output if you need it.

WD TV Live is a box that plugs into your TV. Into the box you can plug any USB device (like an external HDD or memory stick) that has video, photo or music files. If you put 5 (or 100) video files in it, it will play them one at a time or in sequence, depending on you menu choices and settings.

Bill
post #1611 of 1624
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Originally Posted by bsprague View Post

We may be talking about two different things.
My understanding is that you are keeping your video files on your computer. When you want to watch them, you copy them back to your camcorder's SD card and use the camcorder as a "media player" by plugging it into a TV. That process has been hard for some due to SD card files structures. HDWriter has that feature built in and makes it easy to copy files to the camcorder or SD card.
HDWriter is a NLE (Not Linear Editor). If you are merging or joining video clips, it never changes the original files. Instead it makes new copies. If you have taken 5 (or 100) clips at an event, you can put them together as a new single video. While you are doing that, it allows you to trim out parts you don't want. As an NLE, it is unique in one way. Since it will only work with files from certain models of Panasonic camcorders, the output to final files can be a perfect technical match to the originals. It can also make lower quality (Standard Definition) output if you need it.
WD TV Live is a box that plugs into your TV. Into the box you can plug any USB device (like an external HDD or memory stick) that has video, photo or music files. If you put 5 (or 100) video files in it, it will play them one at a time or in sequence, depending on you menu choices and settings.
Bill

Ok, that last part is what I meant, copy my files to an external HDD, connect the HDD to the WD and play a couple of files in a seemless sequence ( so that it looks I'm watching a complete movie)

Thanks for the good explanation, I know now what and how to do.

Ronald
post #1612 of 1624
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Originally Posted by ronaldstark View Post

Ok, that last part is what I meant, copy my files to an external HDD, connect the HDD to the WD and play a couple of files in a seemless sequence ( so that it looks I'm watching a complete movie)
Thanks for the good explanation, I know now what and how to do.
Ronald
I have an "old" version of a WD TV Live that they called the "Plus" version. There is a pause between videos played in sequence. So, it is not quite "seemless". The current model is supposed to be much quicker.
post #1613 of 1624
Thanks to all good advice in this topic (and of course Bill) my wife bought for my birthday last friday a WD TV Live (latest version) with a 2TB HDD. just installed it and tried allready some footage. now printing out the manual and going to discover all the possibilities of it. first impression is very positive.

Is it possible to use the HDMI for connecting with my HDTV and the composite cable from the WDTV Live to my Audio receiver, so that the sound can be played on my stereo speakers?

Ronald
post #1614 of 1624
Please advice, I just noticed that the video output form my camcorder is all black and white but its like high contrast black and cant see anything but like deep blacks.
not sure why. The picture taking is fine in color. I was doing some settings on AGS for the mic and maybe that?
post #1615 of 1624
"Is it possible to use the HDMI for connecting with my HDTV and the composite cable from the WDTV Live to my Audio receiver, so that the sound can be played on my stereo speakers?"


Yes, while the HDMI carries both audio and video, the WDTV Live also outputs the audio from the analog port (and the toslink port).
post #1616 of 1624
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Originally Posted by markr041 View Post

"Is it possible to use the HDMI for connecting with my HDTV and the composite cable from the WDTV Live to my Audio receiver, so that the sound can be played on my stereo speakers?"
Yes, while the HDMI carries both audio and video, the WDTV Live also outputs the audio from the analog port (and the toslink port).
I live in a condo and noise control is important. I set up my system so that I could use either wireless headphones or a soundbar with woofer.

My first hookup was with HDMI cables. I didn't like the HDMI automated choices that would turn everything on in coordination.

My second hookup worked better for me. The TV feeds the soundbar audio system with the "optical audio" method and the headphones with the RCA plugs. I feed the TV with HDMI cables from the DirecTV box, the WD TV Live and a Blu-Ray player. The TV speakers are disabled.

So, instead of feeding the audio system directly from the WD TV, it goes through the TV. Since it is all digital, I don't think anything is lost. At least I don't hear any loss.

Bill
post #1617 of 1624
Hi all,
I just wanted to respond to the M2TS files stored on a USB external Hard-drive (HDD).

I download my TM700 Video files to two computers (HTPC)
On one HTPC (Main puter in Bedroom) I connect the TM700 via USB and then go into "Windows Explorer" to the "Stream" folder, in either the TM700's Internal HDD or my 32GB or 64GB SDXC Card.
I then "Drag & Drop" from TM700 to Folder in my HTPC's connected USB 2.0 WD 2TB "My Book" HDD.
Video from TM700 transfer's without a hitch to HTPC's external WD My Book USB 2.0 HDD and plays back seamlessly via Cyberlink's PowerDVD 10 Ultra Mark II video player.
I just added a USB 3.0 card into this HTPC and bought a WD My Book 3TB USB 3.0 External HDD, the USB 3.0 is much faster than USB 2.0.
This HTPC that does not use Panny's HD Writer's software but just transfers the raw video, is where I join and edit my TM700 videos.
I use Cyberlinks, Power Director 10 for editing and to just easily merge my TM700 Video's, I use Aunsoft's "Final Mate"

On my other HTPC (living room) I use Panasonic's HD Writer AE 2.1 for transferring Video from my TM700 Camcorder to the HTPC's WD 2TB Internal HDD
I use Mirilles Splash Pro EX as the Video Player and again it plays back my videos perfectly.

That's about it but I love my TM700 and except for a glitch over Christmas, when I had to re-format the Internal HDD, it has worked perfectly.

I hope this helps or at least gives a different FYI.

Bud B
post #1618 of 1624
I have the Panasonic HDCHS700 camcorder.I have loaded the Panasonic software and edited 1080/50p with my computer without issues and transferred the edited recordings to USB via dongle.The recordings playback fine through the computer via the USB port but will not play back via the TV USB port.I have tried Samsung,Panasonic and Toshiba 2012 models.The screen shoes the files but when I press play I get the message that says that this file is not supported.What I am doing wrong please?
post #1619 of 1624
Charles,

It may be that the only thing you're doing wrong is expecting too much from technology!

1080p50/60 files continue to be a challenge. I have a brand new Samsung TV that says it will play movies if I plug in to the USB. It won't. It gives me a warning something like 30fps is the highest it will go.

Considering that the goal is to watch on a big TV, the following have worked for me:

1. The best is using a thing made by Western Digital, called the "WD TV Live". It is known for and reviewed for being able to play back almost digital graphic or music format on anything plugged into it's USB port. In the USA (the 60p world) it will also work as a Neflix player but I don't care about that.

2. I have a Sony Blu-Ray player that will play 1080p60 files copied to DVDs as data files. Creating the rarely used AVCHD disk in the Panasonic software works too.

3. My laptop has an HDMI port. Plugging it into my TV provides a duplicate of what is on the laptop display. For playing video, I like the free SplashLite media player software.

4. Recently I got a Blu-Ray burner and have completed a single project where I wanted Blu-Rays for relatives. The "Blu-Ray Standard" seems to require that the "p" files are converted to "i" files.

5. Using Adobe Premier Elements 11, I can input 1080p50/60 clips and make video output optimized for any playback device from iPods to YouTube, including what will play on my obstinate Samsung TV.

Bill
post #1620 of 1624
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Originally Posted by bsprague View Post

Charles,

It may be that the only thing you're doing wrong is expecting too much from technology!

1080p50/60 files continue to be a challenge. I have a brand new Samsung TV that says it will play movies if I plug in to the USB. It won't. It gives me a warning something like 30fps is the highest it will go.

Considering that the goal is to watch on a big TV, the following have worked for me:

1. The best is using a thing made by Western Digital, called the "WD TV Live". It is known for and reviewed for being able to play back almost digital graphic or music format on anything plugged into it's USB port. In the USA (the 60p world) it will also work as a Neflix player but I don't care about that.

2. I have a Sony Blu-Ray player that will play 1080p60 files copied to DVDs as data files. Creating the rarely used AVCHD disk in the Panasonic software works too.

3. My laptop has an HDMI port. Plugging it into my TV provides a duplicate of what is on the laptop display. For playing video, I like the free SplashLite media player software.

4. Recently I got a Blu-Ray burner and have completed a single project where I wanted Blu-Rays for relatives. The "Blu-Ray Standard" seems to require that the "p" files are converted to "i" files.

5. Using Adobe Premier Elements 11, I can input 1080p50/60 clips and make video output optimized for any playback device from iPods to YouTube, including what will play on my obstinate Samsung TV.

Bill
Thank you for your detailed reply.It seems as though I am expecting too much!The Panasonic has very good editing capabilities on the camcorder and the only reason for downloading to the computer was to do overlap fades from one scene to the next which is something I cannot do on the camcorder.I think I will forget about this idea since it appears that a usb device is going to present problems unless I am using a computer.
Charles
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