Originally Posted by Ken Ross
Congrats Lux! So who did you wind up ordering it from?
Well, I'm planning a whole complicated order.. I've got few friends that have family in USA, and I'm planning to make an order (and payment) in their name on Panasonic website using that corporate perks code.. Than when it's shipped to their US address, they will either bring it or send it to me in Europe.. I've got 2 people that can send it to me, but that means probably 30%+ in taxes and customs duties, which is a lot, so I'm still looking for someone that will be coming personally, so that they can bring it in as personal luggage.. A whole lot of complication.. But I can't afford almost exact double price that is being offered in Croatia
Originally Posted by Shadowboricua
Yeah, I was worried I was going to have to shell $1000+ for an i7 core computer. Glad I did not have to do that. Today I have taken more than an hour of 1080p/60p video and it is just amazing. Have been playing with the settings and macro recording, it is all great. The fan is not an issue at all. I don't hear it on my recordings.
Like I've said several times in the other thread, I could play and convert raw TM700 files (that I got from Vimeo and similar places) on Intel Core 2 Duo E4400 CPU, which is easily trumped by new 50-60$ CPUs.
Actually, I've built a new low-end computer for a relative of mine, with current specs:
AMD Athlon II X2 240 2.8GHz - around 55$ at newegg
DDR2 800 - 2x 1GBGigabyte GA-MA785GM-US2H motherboard
- around 80$ at newegg
As can be clearly seen, very low end. Dual core CPU, only 2GB of RAM, and microATX motherboard with integrated graphics. Windows XP SP3 were on it, and it played 60p video using ATI AVIVO decoder (integrated graphics) with ~15% CPU, smooth as it gets.. Actually, it was much smoother playback than anything I could get on my own computer that has HD4890 graphics, at least at that time.
Now, if that computer played back 60p video just fine, than any computer can do it. If you've got problems it's probably due to operating system, drivers, or something similar.
On the other hand, like I've said, my computer had problems with playback. I got it to play silky-smooth using PowerDVD trial, but I was hoping for a free solution. Than I've heard about that Splash Lite
player, and it plays back 60p just fine even on my computer. Unfortunately, there are obviously issues with my ATI card and/or drivers, so I have to use CPU-only to do playback, which means ~80-90% CPU being used when doing playback.. But it plays, and is smooth. I've also found out (with all players) that hitting play, than pause, and than play from start produces stutter-less video, while just playing it can cause few stutters at start. Must be a problem of buffering, or slow disc system or something like that.
Anyway, point of all this is - hardware is not a problem. Low end hardware can do the job. Software on the other hand can be a problem for some people.
As for editing, I did editing in everything from PowerDirector and Premiere CS5, to free Windows Live Movie Maker and PowerPoint 2010. It works just fine, though I have to mention that this is on Windows 7 which supports MTS files natively, so maybe that helps a bit.
Originally Posted by rpwooste
True we're not talking workstation class (dual socket) computing needs, but it really does seem that Core-i7 is needed, would you not agree? I have read through 2/3 of the 2500 posts in the other thread trying to look for tips on how to smoothly playback 1080p60, what formats to convert it into, or how to smoothly edit in Premiere Pro. And although I've tried coversion to MP4 and H.264 and plenty of other options, I still can't get smooth playback of high motion 1080p60 in anything other than HD Writer AE, and that's a poor editing option.
I would love to be corrected on this
I'll correct you. Just read what I wrote above. If a 2.8GHz Athlon X2 (dual core, low end, no cache) can do it, than your quad can do it as well. Try Splash Lite for a start, or if you want a more advanced player, try with PowerDVD. First is free, second can be downloaded as trial, so no problems there.
As for editing, unless you've already bought Premiere, I'd tell you to try PowerDirector or Edius before buying Premiere. I've tried PowerDirector and it worked great, and it's simple to use, yet powerful enough (for me at least). Many people suggest Edius Neo 2, Ken included, and it seems as most effective editor for higher-end segment. Premiere CS5 works, but it's not as fast as I'd expect from such a powerful (and expensive) product.
Originally Posted by bowmah
I think the fan noise is definitely there. Also, it depends on who you speak with and more importantly, their ability to hear this noise. but it's there if you know what to look for (and I also used Adobe Soundbooth to "see" the noise spectrum at which the fan buzzes at (800Hz to 1000Khz).
You've just said it yourself:
- depends on your hearing abilities
- and the environment to be low-noise
- and you have to concentrate to hear it
- and you still have to "know what to look for"
I did hear noise on several samples, but I just had to listen to it, and look for it. There is one video in particular, where I could hear a person breathing, yet I never noticed the fan noise until I specifically knew what to look for, and until I was listening just to hear that noise. And that's on speakers put on way too loud for comfortable listening of normal video, as just 10 seconds later in the video wind blows over the mic, and it's huge noise compared to anything else in the video. And certainly when watching that video with family, I'd never put speakers that loud or everyone would start yelling at me after wind would start blowing.
Except that video, there was only one other where I could hear it, and again, I was hearing leaves and small branches cracking under the feet of a person recording the video, so I'd say I've put speakers to quite loud setting, just to hear the fan.
IMHO - at those settings, I don't find fan disturbing at all. If I put speakers to normal loudness, where human speach is heard clearly, I doubt I'd hear fan even in the quietest environments.