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post #301 of 1624
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Originally Posted by CactusJackSlade View Post

Hello All,

New owner of the TM700 and to this forum, thanks :-)

Question: I need to be able to view the TIME STAMP while watching the video on my TV. (I need to review race results on a cycling event and need to see what time the racers pass by the camera)

I've read the manual, done searches and I cannot find where to get it to show.

I've got what I think are all the time and display features turned "on" but to no avail...

Any help would be appreciated.

Why do you need time stamps when most players have counters?
post #302 of 1624
In TM700 playback mode, first make sure you have date/time enabled, use the physical MENU button below the LCD viewscreen. MENU->SETUP->DATE/TIME and select D/T.

Now when playing a clip, there are the four square control buttons that appear at bottom center of the screen (stop, rev, play/pause, ff), and an arrow at bottom right, and an downward diagonal-pointing arrow marked "F" at bottom left. When I touch the arrow at bottom left, the control buttons go away and the time and date appear at lower right in this format HH:MM MMM DD YYYY.

For cycling I'd guess you want seconds, but I don't see that. The "clip elapsed time" at the top of the screen does show seconds, but it is not synchronized with real time clock seconds. If you want to, you can figure out the offset between clip elapsed time and wall clock time, by watching for the frame where the TIME/DATE minute display increments to the next minute.

One other note: like many AVCHD camcorders, the TM700 actually stores 3 data streams in its .m2ts (MTS) files: AVC Video Stream, Dolby Digital Audio Stream, and Presentation Graphics Stream (PGS subtitle). This last stream is a constantly running subtitle which shows the record time and date on every frame. Some mpeg viewing programs can turn this subtitle stream on, so you can see your time/date during playback. For example, Media Player Classic Homecinema from http://mpc-hc.sourceforge.net/ (see example MPC screenshot with time/date, enclosed. To view time/date, select: Navigate/Subtitle Language/xxx-Presentation Graphics Stream, then stop and restart playback.)
LL
post #303 of 1624
For those who own a PS3... Most have probably figured this out, but I had not tried it until now.

You can download RAW 1080p/60p and AVCHD videos by directly connecting the camera to the PS3. Like I said, probably most of you have thought about it but I am sharing it just in case. It is an nice option since I can bypass the use of the computer, play directly onto the HDTV from the PS3 HD, save the video to an external HD from the PS3, and use it later in the PC to edit if needed.
post #304 of 1624
I measured the SNR of the TM700 mic input at -30 dB sensitivity (AGC off) to be 86 dB which is not bad at all. I was driving in a line-level signal from my Echo Audio MIA soundcard, through an XLR adaptor/attenuator (Studio 1 XLR-PRO) into the mic input. I saw more THD (distortion) than expected but it might be something about my XLR adaptor box. I believe the noise and dynamic range are real values, though.

At first I wondered about the effect of AC3 audio compression, but I tried a purely digital test: compress the 48 kHz 16bit WAV test file to AC3 at 256 kbps, the audio bitrate the TM700 uses in stereo mode, then back to WAV and found the AC3 codec is good enough not to worry about.

More details and charts here:

http://bealecorner.org/best/measure/...TM700-RMAA.htm

edit: Added a second try, slightly lower input level; showed worse SNR but better THD, a typical tradeoff. http://bealecorner.org/best/measure/...ower_level.htm
post #305 of 1624
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Originally Posted by rpwooste View Post


............

FINALLY, now I can play the unedited (albeit converted) 60P files in Windows Media Center on my Core2Quad@3.6GHz. The CPU averages around 48% utilization, with spikes as high as 62%, so this should work on pretty much any Core2Quad.

............

So, with a $129 cost, this sounds like a final solution to getting playback to work in Windows Media Center (Holy Grail Part 1 for me).


Has anyone successfully used CineForm 60P AVI files in Premiere?

Thanks, Roland.

Hi, Roland!

I have played yesterday with CS5 and Neoscene in my Core 2 Duo 2,13 GHz 4GB RAM PC with Windows 7 64-bit.

First of all, when I import into CS5 native m2ts files from camcorder I can do simple editions very well: trim, cut, delete, etc. But the line above timeline is RED.

When I import Cineform avi-files, the timeline is yellow. That means that no rendering required.

I have not performed large projects yet, but it seems that Premiere "thinks"
that Cineform files are really more easy to edit.

I have found recently that on the Videoguys site Cineform Neoscene costs less then 100$:
http://www.videoguys.com/Item/CineFo...435F454E4.aspx
post #306 of 1624
Thanks, Jbeale That does work to some extent. Having seconds would be very nice though, funny all my older cams have this function...

Shadowboricua: I need the time of day so I can find a rider when a problem or protest comes up. We match the time of day with the RFID chip read to verify a particular problem in our scoring. ALso, I need/want to watch this on my large HiDef TV so it is easier to see the number plates.
post #307 of 1624
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Originally Posted by Mjolle View Post

Hi!

I'm in the market for a camcorder, and the XX700 seems like a good piece of equipment.

A few questions!



Last question.. Will my computer die?

Thanks for any feedback!

Yes! Your computer will die a slow painful death!
Just read the previous 10 posts, we've talked about all of this already, no need to repeat it 20x
post #308 of 1624
Oh, oh, and BIG NEWS! (for me ) TM700 is ordered and I should have it in my hands in next 2 weeks I hope nothing goes haywire Ordered from B&H as panasonic.com said that estimated shipping time is 4 weeks :-O

EDIT: I've also been in contact with a company from UK about replacement batteries, as soon as I have camcorder I'll order batteries as well. They say that they've got new replacement batteries that will be more compatible with TM700 and can even be charged in original charger. If anyone is interested I can post their email when I get home.
post #309 of 1624
In this thread (http://discussions.info.apple.com/me...ageID=11625142) a man checked x.v.color with tm700 and TV compatible with this color schema.
He said that picture looks more realistic in colors. Bit no support inside modern NLEs, yet... So, if you shoot and not edit - this feature for you, otherwise - do not turn it on, because color mismatch problem on incompatible monitors\\TVs....
I will try this feature within next few days...
post #310 of 1624
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Originally Posted by jogiba View Post

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post #311 of 1624
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Originally Posted by rpwooste View Post


Has anyone got 1080P60 to play smoothly in Windows 7 Media Center yet?

Roland.

Works fine on my laptop in Win 7 media center and media player. (Win 7 64 bit Core 2 Duo 2.4ghz and 4 gig ram)
post #312 of 1624
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Originally Posted by jbeale View Post

PS Bowmah: I will try to have a look for pixel jitter when I get some free time.

Thx in advance. The more time I spend shooting with the TM700, the more I am noticing the jitters during unzoom footages. Ugly and not acceptable for a camcorder capable of producing such good video quality when NOT unzooming!
post #313 of 1624
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Originally Posted by bowmah View Post


Thx in advance. The more time I spend shooting with the TM700, the more I am noticing the jitters during unzoom footages. Ugly and not acceptable for a camcorder capable of producing such good video quality when NOT unzooming!

I don't experience the jitter. Do you have sample videos? What do you mean by jittering? The only time I see jittering us if I have OIS on, but that is understandable.t
post #314 of 1624
I am a new owner of the TM700, and new to the forum.
I am very impressed with the quality of the camera, and I have compared footage shot in all the different modes available. Clearly, the 1080 60 p mode takes the sharpest, smoothest footage.

For playback on my Windows 7 PC, I also had difficulties just playing the 1080 60 p clips with Windows Media Player. They were very choppy.
I found a great solution - PowerDVD 10 Ultra.
It plays the 1080 60 p clips perfectly, with no choppiness.
I simply copy the .MTS files from my SDHC card to my computer, and drag them onto PowerDVD 10. For viewing these files on a PC, this is the solution.
(I have an Intel Quad Core, 2.93 Ghz, with 8 GB Ram).

As for video editing, I need some advice.
I am a bit confused with how to edit 1080 60 p, and then save the files.
I have tried Corel Videostudio X3, and it imports and handles the video files no problem. However, the max output options are only 1080i (1920x1080, 29 fps, interlaced, max 20,000 bps).

I have also tried the demo for Vegas Studio HD 10 Platinum.
It imports the files ok, and you seem to be able to select custom render settings.
I have tried setting it to MPEG-2, 1920x1080, 59.940 fps, Progressive, VBR average 25,000, but it displays an error when I try to launch it to encode.
Has anyone been able to re encode 1080 60 p, and output in the same original format with Vegas? What settings do you use?

I also am a bit confused about what to do with this when I am done.
I can keep the 1080 60 p files on my PC, and watch them there with PowerDVD 10 now -fine.
But I have a Blu-ray burner, and an HDTV with Sony BDP-S500 Blu ray player. I would like to be able to burn these 1080 60 p videos to Blu ray, and watch them on my TV.

What are the formats available for Blu-ray? Can I burn a 1080 60 p Blu Ray?
Interestingly, the manual for my blu ray player says it can play 1080 24 p and 60 p. So is this a Blu ray compliant format? Why then would it be listed as a supported format?

If not, what resolution are most people converting there 1080 60 p video to?
1080 60i, 30 p, or 24 p?

Any other software out there that will edit and re encode 1080 60 p?
post #315 of 1624
I don't think the BluRay spec currently includes 1920x1080p60. If your player supports it, it goes beyond the official spec. The PS3 and many computers do handle 1080p60 footage (not always completely smoothly, depending on the system). A few pages back in this thread someone mentioned a $89 standalone player that does 1080p60, which is the cheapest known option.
post #316 of 1624
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Originally Posted by dptempid View Post


For playback on my Windows 7 PC, I also had difficulties just playing the 1080 60 p clips with Windows Media Player. They were very choppy.
I found a great solution - PowerDVD 10 Ultra.
It plays the 1080 60 p clips perfectly, with no choppiness.
I simply copy the .MTS files from my SDHC card to my computer, and drag them onto PowerDVD 10. For viewing these files on a PC, this is the solution.
(I have an Intel Quad Core, 2.93 Ghz, with 8 GB Ram).

See posts above. A smooth play is available on PCs that have less power then your PC. It depends on combination of codec, video driver version, software video player and OS.

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Originally Posted by dptempid View Post

I also am a bit confused about what to do with this when I am done.
I can keep the 1080 60 p files on my PC, and watch them there with PowerDVD 10 now -fine.
But I have a Blu-ray burner, and an HDTV with Sony BDP-S500 Blu ray player. I would like to be able to burn these 1080 60 p videos to Blu ray, and watch them on my TV.
What are the formats available for Blu-ray? Can I burn a 1080 60 p Blu Ray?
Interestingly, the manual for my blu ray player says it can play 1080 24 p and 60 p. So is this a Blu ray compliant format? Why then would it be listed as a supported format?

Blu-ray is not compatible with 1080\\50p or 60p.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc#cite_note-126
But you can write an original Panasonic TM-700 mts-files to Blu-ray disk with Blu-ray structure (files and folders) and play it
on your player. You can prepare structure with free multiAVCHD utility (http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/). But your Blu-ray player will play 60p mts-file from Blu-ray disk as 59.94-i.

You can play this footage natively only on hardware or software media player (tank).
Your TV\\monitor also must have Full HD 1080\\50 or 60p support.


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Originally Posted by dptempid View Post

If not, what resolution are most people converting there 1080 60 p video to?
1080 60i, 30 p, or 24 p?
p?

it depends on type of media that will store your footage and type of player that will play it.

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Originally Posted by dptempid View Post

Any other software out there that will edit and re encode 1080 60

Media Mainconcept's codec in Premiere CS4\\5 can export to H.264 level 4.2 file.
post #317 of 1624
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Originally Posted by dptempid View Post

I am a new owner of the TM700, and new to the forum.

For playback on my Windows 7 PC, I also had difficulties just playing the 1080 60 p clips with Windows Media Player. They were very choppy.
I found a great solution - PowerDVD 10 Ultra.
It plays the 1080 60 p clips perfectly, with no choppiness.

As for video editing, I need some advice.

But I have a Blu-ray burner, and an HDTV with Sony BDP-S500 Blu ray player. I would like to be able to burn these 1080 60 p videos to Blu ray, and watch them on my TV.

What are the formats available for Blu-ray? Can I burn a 1080 60 p Blu Ray?
Interestingly, the manual for my blu ray player says it can play 1080 24 p and 60 p. So is this a Blu ray compliant format? Why then would it be listed as a supported format?

If not, what resolution are most people converting there 1080 60 p video to?
1080 60i, 30 p, or 24 p?

Any other software out there that will edit and re encode 1080 60 p?

As you're new to this forum, I'd like to welcome you, and ask you to read last few pages. You will get answers for "what other software" and many good tips and information. You'll also find a free alternative to PowerDVD 10 (which is great player, if you bought it already, keep using it). Alternative is called Splash Lite.

As for BluRay, 60p is actually part of a new specification, together with 3D and some other stuff. But if your player's manual says it supports 60p - give it a try. Burn a BluRay and try playing it. If it doesn't, you can rain hell on Sony for telling you false information ;D But there are BluRay players out there that already support new (draft?) specification, so perhaps yours is one of them.
If it doesn't support it, than you can convert to 1080i, that will work for sure.

Oh, and if your player supports USB drive and/or SD cards, try putting a clip or two on a stick, and play it from there.. so you save on burning a disc for testing.
post #318 of 1624
Can the tm700 be used as a webcam?
post #319 of 1624
What bag fits the most on this camera ?

Anyone has this panasonic bag : http://www.pixmania.com/pt/pt/498002...vw-ph82xe.html

How is it inside? Can find any pics on the web ....

Thanks.
post #320 of 1624
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Originally Posted by Jim Conrad View Post

Can the tm700 be used as a webcam?

The TM700 has live analog and HDMI output, but as far as I know, you can't get video live through USB. So you need either analog or HDMI video input capture on your computer.

I'm not sure if a webcam implies leaving it on all the time? The following text appears on the owner's manual, p. 142:

Do not use the unit for surveillance purposes or other business uses.
≥ This unit was designed for consumer intermittent use. It was not intended for continuous use, or for any industrial or commercial application resulting in prolonged use.
≥ In certain situations, continuous use could cause the unit to overheat and cause a malfunction. Such use is strongly discouraged.
post #321 of 1624
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Originally Posted by jbeale View Post

≥ In certain situations, continuous use could cause the unit to overheat and cause a malfunction. Such use is strongly discouraged.

No wonder 2 hours of time lapse using 1 min increments left my tripod mount very hot to the touch. I can only imagine the insides must be burning up. Camera body and even bottom of the camera was not that hot though.
post #322 of 1624
Has anyone purchased extra lenses yet? Not the Panasonic ones, I don't want to spend that much on them. If so where did you get them from and are you satisfied with the quality. Looking to purchase soon but don't know which ones to go with. There are some on Amazon but don't know much about them and was wondering if anyone out there gave them a chance. Thanks.
post #323 of 1624
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Originally Posted by Huskerguy55 View Post

Has anyone purchased extra lenses yet?

Are you looking for wide-angle, telephoto, or close-up lenses? I haven't looked any any specific lenses, but in general I know some people like Raynox for wide-angle. I am sure that the cheapest lenses will not preserve the image quality the TM700 is capable of. As you pay more for a lens, I would expect to see less distortion (straight lines stay fairly straight) and better sharpness at edges and corners.

I got a cheap no-name fisheye for another camcorder, and the image quality at the edges was pretty sad.
post #324 of 1624
I don't have a display capable of x.v.Color, but at least I did confirm the TM700 is able to record something outside the normal gamut. I recorded a vivid dark red rose, and played back through Avisynth using histogram("levels") to see the actual range of YCbCr values on a histogram. Sure enough, on the lower Cr plot, I see at least a few pixels do extend into the solid red beyond the normal 16..240 limit for Cb, Cr video color components.

Just for fun, I measured the color at several spots on this rose with a reflectance spectrophotometer at work. I found the lighter red tips on the inner part of the rose measure L*a*b* = (30.7, 60, 25.1) (D50/2deg.obs) which converts to RGB with a negative green component in most of the normal color spaces (sRGB, Adobe RGB, NTSC RGB etc). So that color cannot be properly displayed on any normal-gamut computer monitor or TV. However, I could view the clip normally on my PC and the rose looked quite normal, although slightly overexposed in some areas which it probably was. As expected, my monitor display does not reproduce the true color. In person, the rose appears a velvety dark red with violet highlights on some the inner petal tips, which you can probably see suggested by the spectrum plot. It's not a color I've ever seen on a TV screen.
LL

 

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post #325 of 1624
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The TM700 has live analog and HDMI output, but as far as I know, you can't get video live through USB. So you need either analog or HDMI video input capture on your computer.

Yes, I do remember reading the warning and thanks for the clarification on the webcam question.

On of my summer projects is to get all my VHS's on DVD which would require the video capture hardware.

I played around with transfering short clips to DVDRW. With all the different DVD types (RW, RAM, R, etc), which is recommended and what are their advantages? You may gladly supply a link since this is off topic.
I want to add clips to the DVD without having to re-copy everything. I understand this can be done with +RW. Is that correct?
post #326 of 1624
which multiavchd output author 60p mts-file as 59.94-i for blu-ray playback?.
when i tested with the output "for all blu-ray player" didnt play well on my blu-ray

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Originally Posted by myg View Post

Blu-ray is not compatible with 1080\\50p or 60p.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc#cite_note-126
But you can write an original Panasonic TM-700 mts-files to Blu-ray disk with Blu-ray structure (files and folders) and play it
on your player. You can prepare structure with free multiAVCHD utility (http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/). But your Blu-ray player will play 60p mts-file from Blu-ray disk as 59.94-i.
post #327 of 1624
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Originally Posted by jbeale View Post

I don't have a display capable of x.v.Color, but at least I did confirm the TM700 is able to record something outside the normal gamut. I recorded a vivid dark red rose, and played back through Avisynth using histogram("levels") to see the actual range of YCbCr values on a histogram. Sure enough, on the lower Cr plot, I see at least a few pixels do extend into the solid red beyond the normal 16..240 limit for Cb, Cr video color components.

Just for fun, I measured the color at several spots on this rose with a reflectance spectrophotometer at work. I found the lighter red tips on the inner part of the rose measure L*a*b* = (30.7, 60, 25.1) (D50/2deg.obs) which converts to RGB with a negative green component in most of the normal color spaces (sRGB, Adobe RGB, NTSC RGB etc). So that color cannot be properly displayed on any normal-gamut computer monitor or TV. However, I could view the clip normally on my PC and the rose looked quite normal, although slightly overexposed in some areas which it probably was. As expected, my monitor display does not reproduce the true color. In person, the rose appears a velvety dark red with violet highlights on some the inner petal tips, which you can probably see suggested by the spectrum plot. It's not a color I've ever seen on a TV screen.

Greetings jbeale.

Is there other way of fining out if x.v.color is in use? My PT-AE4000 doesn't seem to know.

Many thanks and best regards.
LL
post #328 of 1624
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Originally Posted by mariner888 View Post

Is there other way of fining out if x.v.color is in use? My PT-AE4000 doesn't seem to know.

I think if you play back directly from the TM700 over HDMI out, there is supposed to be some kind of signal from the camera to the display about what gamut is in use. The display has to support HDMI 1.3 and it probably only works direct from the camera; most other playback devices don't yet support it. I don't know much about it, but here's a note:

Quote:
Broader color space: HDMI 1.3 adds support for x.v.Color (which is the consumer name describing the IEC 61966-2-4 xvYCC color standard), which removes current color space limitations and enables the display of any color viewable by the human eye.

from http://www.hdmi.org/learningcenter/faq.aspx
post #329 of 1624
Thanks for the reply jbeale.

Tried playback from the cam and also a 5670 which support x.v.colour, with same result.

And how do you tell if a cable support HDMI 1.3a/b?

Thanks again.
post #330 of 1624
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Originally Posted by mariner888 View Post

Thanks for the reply jbeale.

Tried playback from the cam and also a 5670 which support x.v.colour, with same result.

And how do you tell if a cable support HDMI 1.3a/b?

Thanks again.


Hi!

HDMI 1.3 cable does not guarantee that you can play x.v.Color video on your monitor or TV.
You must have 3 things to play the such video correctly:
1) a camcorder with x.v.Color support (you have it)
2) TV\\monitor with x.v.Color support
3) HDMI 1.3 interface\\cable

There is no support inside modern NLEs (even in Sony Vegas), yet...

So, if you shoot and not edit - this feature for you, otherwise - do not turn it on, because of color mismatch problem on incompatible monitors\\TVs\\Youtube....

I have a Panasonic plazma TV and tm700 camcorder. I can shoot and see x.v.color video only directly from camera (blu-ray does not support x.v.Color).
But I cannot exchange my video to my friends, they did not obtain x.v.color TVs yet.
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