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post #331 of 1624
Greetings myg.

FYI, the ae4000 supports x.v.colour. See the attached screen shot.

Best regards.
post #332 of 1624
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Originally Posted by densma View Post

which multiavchd output author 60p mts-file as 59.94-i for blu-ray playback?.
when i tested with the output "for all blu-ray player" didnt play well on my blu-ray

You must use UDF 2.5 file system in your Blu-ray burning software (for example Nero...)
post #333 of 1624
So has anyone noticed jittering in the video when slow unzooming from 12x? Is there a fix for this?
post #334 of 1624
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Originally Posted by mariner888 View Post

And how do you tell if a cable support HDMI 1.3a/b?

I have obtained a HDMI cable recently, and on the box I have read : "HDMI 1.3".


But see the good answer from there: http://boardsus.playstation.com/t5/P...3/m-p/33581229

"The cables themselves don't matter; they just enable the devices communicate with each other. Thus, there is no such thing as a "1.3 HDMI Cable." The designation on the packaging is a marketing tool."
post #335 of 1624
First time posting here and a new Panasonic TM-700 Owner.

I am very disappointed with my new TM-700 when I found out that it shakes badly when mounted with tripod at -90degree (face downward) and optical zoom to around 3x. Image Stabilizer was turned OFF.

After that I switched to my old Sony SR-40 with the same environment & settings and it wasn't shake. Below is the output from my camcorder. However I'm still not sure if all TM-700 shakes or it is just mine.

If anybody in this forum has free time, could you please test yours the same thing? Thanks.

hxxp://vimeo.com/12672873
post #336 of 1624
Just a quick info. I've just tried newest 10.6 Catalyst driver with Splash Lite 1.4.3 on my HD4890 + E4400 computer, and now with Avivo turned on in Splash Lite, I can watch 60p clips almost normally. CPU is at 7-15%, and is even in idle state while the playback is running (2GHz instead 3.2GHz - overclocked). But stutters still appear once in a while, and all that I've noticed is that when it does stutter my CPU jumps momentarily to 20-25%. I should try turning off my antivirus and other background processes, perhaps something is holding it back from being 100% effective. But it's much better than before, and I'm happy because of it. CPU-only mode still works fine on my CPU, but I really want GPU acceleration for these videos. And by the progress I see every few weeks, I think pretty much anything will be playing 60p videos in a few months
post #337 of 1624
Greetings LuxZg.

It seems the UVD in the 4x/5x cards cannot handle the 60P video recorded by the HS700. (perhaps with the exception of your except you friend's 780G). They can deal with Sanyo's clip though.

Mike is getting smooth playback with his GT240, and there's another positive result with a low end Gt220 (see my thread at the HTPC forum). So I think the best hope is with the VP4 GPU.

Best regards
post #338 of 1624
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Originally Posted by Trafalgar_Law View Post

First time posting here and a new Panasonic TM-700 Owner.

I am very disappointed with my new TM-700 when I found out that it shakes badly when mounted with tripod at -90degree (face downward) and optical zoom to around 3x. Image Stabilizer was turned OFF.

After that I switched to my old Sony SR-40 with the same environment & settings and it wasn't shake. Below is the output from my camcorder. However I'm still not sure if all TM-700 shakes or it is just mine.

If anybody in this forum has free time, could you please test yours the same thing? Thanks.

hxxp://vimeo.com/12672873

I have tested right now and found that the video shakes, but less little then on your video.
post #339 of 1624
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Originally Posted by myg View Post

I have tested right now and found that the video shakes, but less little then on your video.

Thanks very much Myg!
post #340 of 1624
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Originally Posted by Trafalgar_Law View Post

Thanks very much Myg!

I think we should write an e-mail with problem to Panasonic support (if support exists, of course)....
post #341 of 1624
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Originally Posted by Trafalgar_Law View Post

First time posting here and a new Panasonic TM-700 Owner.

I am very disappointed with my new TM-700 when I found out that it shakes badly when mounted with tripod at -90degree (face downward) and optical zoom to around 3x. Image Stabilizer was turned OFF.

After that I switched to my old Sony SR-40 with the same environment & settings and it wasn't shake. Below is the output from my camcorder. However I'm still not sure if all TM-700 shakes or it is just mine.

If anybody in this forum has free time, could you please test yours the same thing? Thanks.

hxxp://vimeo.com/12672873

I tested mine and I don't see the shaking. I see your mother says "Japan", are you in Japan? or is it gray market? Have you tried doing the same test on HA (AVCHD) with the TM700? just curious
post #342 of 1624
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Originally Posted by mariner888 View Post

Greetings LuxZg.

It seems the UVD in the 4x/5x cards cannot handle the 60P video recorded by the HS700. (perhaps with the exception of your except you friend's 780G). They can deal with Sanyo's clip though.

Mike is getting smooth playback with his GT240, and there's another positive result with a low end Gt220 (see my thread at the HTPC forum). So I think the best hope is with the VP4 GPU.

Best regards

Don't know if I quite understand your statement, but my XFX HD 5870 XXX works great..

Rick
post #343 of 1624
I'm a new TM700 owner and wondering if the O.I.S. is functioning correctly. I notice when tilting the camera up and down slowly at 12x zoom, the stabilizer seems to recenter itself once the movement stops. Sometimes the "rebound" is pretty abrupt. Anyone else experiencing this with their TM700?
post #344 of 1624
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Originally Posted by Shadowboricua View Post

I tested mine and I don't see the shaking. I see your mother says "Japan", are you in Japan? or is it gray market? Have you tried doing the same test on HA (AVCHD) with the TM700? just curious

It is just a sticker came with the camcorder says made in Japan. It is brand new so everything still on it.

I don't think adjusting the recording resolution would help since the camcorder was shaking ONLY when face downward, but yes I did test it too and the camcorder was shaking on all resolutions.

Can I have your tripod model? It is possible that bigger and more stable tripods will be able to stop the shaking. I couldn't test it out since I have only two tripods and my TM-700 shaked on all of them but Sony SR-40 didn't shake on any of them.

My tripods: Slik U9000, and custom made Quad-pod with Manfrotto 391RC2 Panning Head.
post #345 of 1624
Update my situation:

I have an android mobile phone with gyroscope sensor application that can tracking the stability very accurate. When set to maximum sensitivity and put the phone on many places: on the floor, on the table, on Slik U-9000 tripod, on my custom made Quad-pod, on Sony SR-40, on TM-700 LCD pane, and on the battery of TM-700.

The result is obvious since the result on all of the surface ARE THE SAME. It has to be something inside the camcorder. I'm going to the service center tomorrow.
post #346 of 1624
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Originally Posted by rich121 View Post

Don't know if I quite understand your statement, but my XFX HD 5870 XXX works great..

Rick

Greetings Rick.

Do you get smooth playback with 5870 using DXVA? Can you post a screen shot?

Thanks.
post #347 of 1624
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Originally Posted by MaXGTS View Post

I'm a new TM700 owner and wondering if the O.I.S. is functioning correctly. I notice when tilting the camera up and down slowly at 12x zoom, the stabilizer seems to recenter itself once the movement stops. Sometimes the "rebound" is pretty abrupt. Anyone else experiencing this with their TM700?


Here is a short video showing the issue in question. Notice at the end of each downward swing, there's a noticeable "rebound". It's not my hand doing that, it's the OIS. Is this normal?

post #348 of 1624
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Originally Posted by bowmah View Post

So has anyone noticed jittering in the video when slow unzooming from 12x? Is there a fix for this?

I have tried a slow zoom out (what I think you call "unzoom") from 18x to 1x on a medium-weight tripod, with both types of stabilization on, and also no stabilization. This was a cloudy day near sunset, not very bright. I watched in the viewfinder, on a small 37" HDTV and on a PC monitor zoomed in to very high magnification (4x or larger; individual pixels become visible blobs). I did not see what I consider significant jittering. On the PC monitor especially, there is some pixel-level judder visible which I attribute to the combination of in-camera noise removal, H.264 compression, and my hand touching the camera, but it's not something that really jumps out at me, or that I would be surprised by in any camera.

Note: If you want to see if it's related to the H.264 compression, have someone do the zoom while you watch live via HDMI to your TV screen (that signal is not compressed when used live).
post #349 of 1624
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Originally Posted by MaXGTS View Post

Here is a short video showing the issue in question. Notice at the end of each downward swing, there's a noticeable "rebound". It's not my hand doing that, it's the OIS. Is this normal?

I have seen this on all cameras with image stabilization. The amount and the speed of the "rebound" varies, but it's always there. I don't think you can avoid it, when you think about what stabilization is supposed to do. Bottom line is, there's no clear dividing line between motion you may want (intended pan/tilt) from motion you don't want (hand shake that results in random pans and tilts).

1) Traditionally, good camera technique advises against camera motions this fast. Yes, you can break the rules, but there are consequences.

2) This is also one reason the manuals advise to turn stabilization off when using a tripod, so you can do accurate pans and tilts.
post #350 of 1624
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Originally Posted by Trafalgar_Law View Post

I am very disappointed with my new TM-700 when I found out that it shakes badly when mounted with tripod at -90degree (face downward) and optical zoom to around 3x. Image Stabilizer was turned OFF.

I tried this, on a Manfrotto 3221W tripod with 3130 head, tilting the camera 90 degrees down to view the floor underneath. Very interesting! The image has a small, roughly circular motion which suggests to me the optical stabilizer assembly may be swinging loose. I tilted up to shoot horizontally at the same zoom setting and got a rock solid image. In both cases, image stabilization was off.

I will guess that Panasonic did not test this camera pointing straight down. I suspect the optical stabilizer (which has to move quickly when in use) sits on some pivoting element that is braced when off and the camera is held normally, but has some freedom to twist when pointed straight down.

You may have to resort to using a mirror at 45 degrees to shoot vertically. If you use a good quality, clean front-surface mirror, the image quality will not be affected. Obviously it would have been better if that wasn't necessary. By the way I think there are 45 deg. mirrors available to thread on to DSLRs & video cameras, sold as "spy lenses" to shoot sideways from where the camera seems to be pointed.

http://photojojo.com/store/awesomene...aphy-spy-lens/
post #351 of 1624
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Originally Posted by myg View Post

So, if you shoot and not edit - this feature for you, otherwise - do not turn it on, because of color mismatch problem on incompatible monitors\\TVs\\Youtube....

I am just starting to experiment with the x.v.Color mode (of course Panasonic didn't like Sony's name and uses their own, "Digital Cinema Color").

Sony's page about this is limited, but still more detailed than anything I've found yet (see below). If I understand it right, the new color mode is EXACTLY THE SAME as the existing standard, for those colors that could be displayed by the old standards BT.601 or BT.709. So the same old colors match to the same old numbers. Some new colors, which could not be displayed before, are represented by previously unused Cr, Cb color values (1..15 and 241..254). So it seems like the new system should be "mostly" compatible with the old system. Is it actually not compatible, or is that an assumption?

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# The conversion matrix from RGB (color signals) to YCC (luminance/color-difference signals) for xvYCC709 is the same as for BT.709, and that for xvYCC601 is the same as for BT.601.

# With 8-bit quantization of luminance and color-difference signals, definition formula are set and the color gamut is expanded by using values between 1 and 15 and between 241 and 254 as picture signals. Definitions over 8 bits are also used to support precise gradation.

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/technol...01.html#page01
post #352 of 1624
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Originally Posted by MaXGTS View Post

Here is a short video showing the issue in question. Notice at the end of each downward swing, there's a noticeable "rebound". It's not my hand doing that, it's the OIS. Is this normal?


That is normal function of the OIS. If you Pan that fast the OIS tries to compensate. You should shouldn't be panning that fast. Sometimes it happens in other occassions, for example, at the beginning of a scene... usually you can edit it out.
post #353 of 1624
Does the Digital Cinema mode really make video look like movies? I will be trying it out later today, but I don't want to waste too much footage to find out later that it looks the same as regular video.
post #354 of 1624
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Originally Posted by Shadowboricua View Post

Does the Digital Cinema mode really make video look like movies? I will be trying it out later today, but I don't want to waste too much footage to find out later that it looks the same as regular video.

The short answer is no, the "Digital Cinema" color mode allows displays compatible with the x.v.Color standard to display certain more-saturated colors like a deep red rose, a vivid cyan sea, etc. On most displays (all but the newest HDTVs) it doesnt help at all.

Having shot actual film, I was surprised to see "wasting footage" on a digital camera where it doesn't cost anything but your time. I understand you mean "wasting time" but in truth, to get your video to look like a movie, it will probably take a great deal of time experimenting! I suggest lighting and composition techniques will make the most difference.
post #355 of 1624
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Originally Posted by Trafalgar_Law View Post

It is just a sticker came with the camcorder says made in Japan. It is brand new so everything still on it.

I don't think adjusting the recording resolution would help since the camcorder was shaking ONLY when face downward, but yes I did test it too and the camcorder was shaking on all resolutions.

Can I have your tripod model? It is possible that bigger and more stable tripods will be able to stop the shaking. I couldn't test it out since I have only two tripods and my TM-700 shaked on all of them but Sony SR-40 didn't shake on any of them.

My tripods: Slik U9000, and custom made Quad-pod with Manfrotto 391RC2 Panning Head.

Did you try turning off the circuit that's supposed to turn the unit off if pointed at the ground for too long?
post #356 of 1624
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Originally Posted by jbeale View Post

I am just starting to experiment with the x.v.Color mode (of course Panasonic didn't like Sony's name and uses their own, "Digital Cinema Color").

Sony's page about this is limited, but still more detailed than anything I've found yet (see below). If I understand it right, the new color mode is EXACTLY THE SAME as the existing standard, for those colors that could be displayed by the old standards BT.601 or BT.709. So the same old colors match to the same old numbers. Some new colors, which could not be displayed before, are represented by previously unused Cr, Cb color values (1..15 and 241..254). So it seems like the new system should be "mostly" compatible with the old system. Is it actually not compatible, or is that an assumption?

Keep in mind that "x.v.Color' or whatever the name that some other manufacturer gives it, is not in compliance with the accepted HD standard, REC709.
post #357 of 1624
Does anyone have a case for their TM700 they'd recommend? I'm hoping to find someting minimal, that fits the camcorder well but doesn't make it substantially larger.

TIA
post #358 of 1624
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Originally Posted by postman View Post

Does anyone have a case for their TM700 they'd recommend? I'm hoping to find someting minimal, that fits the camcorder well but doesn't make it substantially larger.

I have a Lowepro Edit 110 which fits the TM700 with attached standard (very minimal!) lens hood with no room to spare along the length of the camera, and just enough space above it and in the three exterior pockets for the power supply + cables. It's ok, but I think it actually has too much padding; I'd prefer something less bulky. If you need a case for the camera only, not power supply, you might find a neoprene lens bag for a SLR zoom lens to be the right size.
LL
post #359 of 1624
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Originally Posted by Trafalgar_Law View Post

Update my situation:

I have an android mobile phone with gyroscope sensor application that can tracking the stability very accurate. When set to maximum sensitivity and put the phone on many places: on the floor, on the table, on Slik U-9000 tripod, on my custom made Quad-pod, on Sony SR-40, on TM-700 LCD pane, and on the battery of TM-700.

The result is obvious since the result on all of the surface ARE THE SAME. It has to be something inside the camcorder. I'm going to the service center tomorrow.

Hi, Trafalgar_Law!
Have you visited a service center?
Please, post there a service center explanations and advices.
Thank you!
post #360 of 1624
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Did you try turning off the circuit that's supposed to turn the unit off if pointed at the ground for too long?

Hi Ken,

Can you explain in detail this? It's not clear about circuit turning off...
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