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post #391 of 1620
6/28/10 at 5:25am
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Originally Posted by LuxZg View Post

If neither,than why are you so harsh at other owners when you are no better.

Why? See number 5 point of this post:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post18823687

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Originally Posted by LuxZg View Post

Now back to the subject - poster clearly said that there was NO SHAKES at 45 degrees,so your reply was a clear miss. And I agree that up to 45 are often used angle,but 90 degrees DOWN really isn't, and I personaly saw the issue reported before ordering and still made the order. Why? Because even the original report said that only 90 deg down is problematic,and other angles aren't.

Regarding 45 degrees shoot:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post18831015
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post18833834

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Originally Posted by LuxZg View Post

Why don't you test it with your cam,and give us the report? You seem very affraid of it :P

I have already uploaded my 45-degrees clip 7 days ago:
http://www.vimeo.com/12742422
The shaking starts from 3 sec., the initial shaking is because of pressing REc button.

See, my image attached with critical angle.
Some people must know the limitations of their devices.
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post #392 of 1620
6/28/10 at 5:41am
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Originally Posted by myg View Post

Why? See number 5 point of this post:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post18823687



Regarding 45 degrees shoot:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post18831015
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post18833834


I have already uploaded my 45-degrees clip 7 days ago:
http://www.vimeo.com/12742422
The shaking starts from 3 sec., the initial shaking is because of pressing REc button.


Lux is referring to my post, where I mention that I took some footage at 45 degrees, no shake.

my camera is now oscillating at 0 degrees
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post #393 of 1620
6/28/10 at 5:46am
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Originally Posted by LuxZg View Post

At everyone regarding shake- Ken Ross suggested that maybe turning of one option may help. It's the option to to turn off camcorder automatically when pointed down for longer time. Anyone tried that?

If you turn on this option, the camera will turn off immediately when you direct it to the floor.
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post #394 of 1620
6/28/10 at 5:49am
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Originally Posted by Shadowboricua View Post

my camera is now oscillating at 0 degrees

Give me a link to your clip...
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post #395 of 1620
6/28/10 at 8:25am
Sorry to break this thread discussion... is there any difference between the TM700 and TM700K in terms of features? I found a 700K for $820, I'd just like to make sure it's the same cam.
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post #396 of 1620
6/28/10 at 9:04am
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Originally Posted by wheresgrant View Post

Sorry to break this thread discussion... is there any difference between the TM700 and TM700K in terms of features? I found a 700K for $820, I'd just like to make sure it's the same cam.

It's same exact cam. Panasonic uses "K" at end to let you know it's "BLACK" color. But since TM700 is only available as black, you can't go wrong
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post #397 of 1620
6/28/10 at 9:13am
If it's a US model being bought from an online source, you should get it from either Amazon or B&H since it costs $756.95 but if that $820 price is from a local authorized dealer, that's just as good since you can pick it up right away and return it very quickly if you have any problems.
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post #398 of 1620
6/28/10 at 9:21am
True, I got mine from B&H for less than 800$ with shipping.
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post #399 of 1620
6/28/10 at 9:29am
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Originally Posted by myg View Post

Why? See number 5 point of this post:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post18823687



Regarding 45 degrees shoot:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post18831015
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post18833834


I have already uploaded my 45-degrees clip 7 days ago:
http://www.vimeo.com/12742422
The shaking starts from 3 sec., the initial shaking is because of pressing REc button.

See, my image attached with critical angle.
Some people must know the limitations of their devices.

Myg, you're quoting links from other threads, not this one. Secondly, your tripod doesn't seem all that sturdy at all. Are you sure this is not shaking from some other source? (wind, walking, ??). I've seen hand-held videos that are less shaky. Besides, did you see this video? Maybe this isn't 45 degrees, but I can't see shakes: http://vimeo.com/10644225 I'd say this was shot from tripod, and I can't find a fault with it.

Anyway, I'll try it when I get the cam. I've got a tripod, should do the job although it's ment for my still camera. Than we'll see.
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post #400 of 1620
6/28/10 at 9:49am
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Originally Posted by LuxZg View Post

Besides, did you see this video? Maybe this isn't 45 degrees, but I can't see shakes: http://vimeo.com/10644225 I'd say this was shot from tripod, and I can't find a fault with it.

C'mon. That's not anywhere near 45 degrees and everyone agrees the video is perfectly steady between 0 and at least ±45 degrees.
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post #401 of 1620
6/28/10 at 10:43am
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Originally Posted by ratdoc View Post

C'mon. That's not anywhere near 45 degrees and everyone agrees the video is perfectly steady between 0 and at least ±45 degrees.

I know it's not, but did you see any sample from TM700 out there shot at 45+ from tripod that wasn't specificaly shot for this very test? I didn't, at least not yet. Like someone said, if you bought this cam for that very purpose, that sucks.. But most people haven't. And again, as I've said, as soon as I get the cam I'll try the 45+ angles up and down, to check. I'm not ignorant, and I like to know what I bought. But I also know how to decide if something matters to me personally or not.
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post #402 of 1620
6/28/10 at 10:52am
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Originally Posted by Djizasse View Post

Hardware accel turned on. Have you tried to install the latest ATI drivers, along with avivo?
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Thanks for the reply, Djizasse.

So DXVA playback works in WMP but not PDVD and Splash? Interesting.

Tried MPC, TMT, PDVD and WMP. No success.
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post #403 of 1620
6/28/10 at 1:43pm
I exported as MPEG2-DVD in Premiere and it split the audio and video. Are there any programs that can merge audio files with video files? Or is there a better option for exporting for a DVD that does not split the files?
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post #404 of 1620
6/28/10 at 2:59pm
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Originally Posted by mariner888 View Post

Thanks for the reply, Djizasse.

So DXVA playback works in WMP but not PDVD and Splash? Interesting.

Tried MPC, TMT, PDVD and WMP. No success.

Try the latest version of VLC. It seems it is great.
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post #405 of 1620
6/28/10 at 7:04pm
VLC should be fine since it does not use hardware decoding.
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post #406 of 1620
6/28/10 at 7:06pm
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Originally Posted by HTPCfreddy View Post

It seems that Sony Vegas Movie Studio 9.0b (I haven't tried the new Vegas Movie Studio 10 yet) and Sony Vegas Pro 8.0 has memory management problems when running under Windows XP, Vista and 7 (32 and 64 bit installations).

Using a program called "CFF Explorer" can be used to modify the program executable and the pertinent DLL's used for rendering.

After these "fixes", I was able to render all my projects using Sony AVC and
Mainconcept MPEG2/MPEG4 with no dialogs of "An Error occurred..." anymore.

Here is the link on the Sony forums:

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/...ssageID=697122

I currently use VMS 9.0b and I have tried the free trials Edius Neo and Edius Pro 5.5 The first NLE that can render (hopefully smart render) to AVC Level 4.2 (1080/60p) will get my money. I may have to wait till Vegas Pro 10 or the next version of Edius to be released. Personally, I will never support Adobe - I don't know if CS5 can render AVC Level 4.2 1080/60p

Thanks for the helpful post.
Your link doesn't work...but I found it elsewhere at:
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/...ssageID=697122
It still does not work for me.
Could you list your exact video render settings in VMS?

I select: Render as > Mainconcept Mpeg 2 > Blu-ray 1920x1080 60i template to start > Custom > change the frame rate to 59.94 > change Field order to none (progressive)
Immediately after clicking ok to encode, I get the error.

Please list your steps.
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post #407 of 1620
6/29/10 at 2:06am
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Originally Posted by myg View Post

Hi, Trafalgar_Law!
Have you visited a service center?
Please, post there a service center explanations and advices.
Thank you!

Hi Myg,

I have my camcorder serviced a week ago and just got the first response from them today. They call me and told me that the camcorder is fine while being held by hands. (Of course it is!) Unfortunately they don't have any tripods in the service center but they promise to find one. I bet this will take long time though. I also sent a support ticket on panasonic.com a week ago but still no response from them yet.

I already saw your 45 degree shaking video. Wow it has to be an OIS bug for sure. Panasonic TM-700 does shake!

I bought this TM-700 on purpose to shoot -90 degree downward to the floor How-To videos. Everything is setup ready and waiting for this TM-700 camcorder. If it can't do this simple task, so I have to find another solution. At this point what I hope for is it just happen only in the first lot. If not, I will have it refunded, so I can buy another one that doesn't shake.
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post #408 of 1620
6/29/10 at 2:17am
This "shake" is starting to smell fishy.
I'll test this today.
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post #409 of 1620
6/29/10 at 5:34am
I've just found this thread on dvinfo.net posted by Yuriy Med.

http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/panasoni...-shooting.html

Yuriy said that it happens on BOTH upwards and downwards. My camcorder is currently at the service center so I couldn't try it myself. Can someone test this too?
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post #410 of 1620
6/29/10 at 6:31am
First time posting, thank you to everyone for the great information on this forum. My question is, are these Panasonic camcorders equipped with gps funcion. thanks for your answer and sorry if I missed it on another prior post.
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post #411 of 1620
6/29/10 at 6:37am
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Originally Posted by LuxZg View Post

I know it's not, but did you see any sample from TM700 out there shot at 45+ from tripod that wasn't specificaly shot for this very test? I didn't, at least not yet. Like someone said, if you bought this cam for that very purpose, that sucks.. But most people haven't. And again, as I've said, as soon as I get the cam I'll try the 45+ angles up and down, to check. I'm not ignorant, and I like to know what I bought. But I also know how to decide if something matters to me personally or not.

Big Sucks for me since I'll use it for this very purpose all the time.

Have you seen my video?
http://vimeo.com/12672873
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post #412 of 1620
6/29/10 at 7:57am
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Originally Posted by joe10 View Post

Are these Panasonic camcorders equipped with gps funcion.

No GPS on the Panasonic cameras. As far as I know the only camcorders with built-in GPS are made by Sony. I have one of them, the XR500V, it's a "cool" feature but I've never made real use of it.
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post #413 of 1620
6/29/10 at 8:16am
I compared two video cards for playback of 1080/60p .MTS video files created by the TM 700.

GeForce 8800 GTX vs GeForce GTX 470

All I can say, is night and day.
I thought my 8800 card was good, but the 470 blows it out of the water.

Video now plays smoothly on all my applications:
- preview in Adobe CS5
- preview in Sony Vegas Movie Studio 10, and Vegas Pro
- preview in Corel Videostudio Pro X3
- splash lite
- power DVD ultra

For all those people debating about what settings to use to playback 1080/60p video - the answer may be to simply upgrade your videocard. It's an expensive option, but if you want to edit and render AVCHD video, and preview it smoothly, this really helps. Encoding the massive files also is much faster.
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post #414 of 1620
6/29/10 at 11:03am
I've just tested my TM700. I mounted it on my tripod and tried to replicate the shake. 80º up (can't go to 90ºup), 90º down, 45º up and down, ia, manual, no stabilization, stabilization mode 1, mode 2, AGS on, off.

The camera was connected through HDMI to my 52" LCD. Any shaking should be noticeable with this size.

I could not see any shacking whatsoever.

There might be some units that have this anomaly, which I believe that is enough to send the camcorder back to the factory for repair. Mine does not exhibit this malfunction.

Yuriy Med? Who the hell is Yuriy Med? Just some guy with 2 posts on DVInfo and an incomplete link that does not lead anywhere. And videos on Vimeo made by users that only have clips about the 700 series and seem to only be there for reporting problems are also ignored. 640x480 compressed clips also don't seem credible.

I personally don't believe any reports by new users. Never had, never will. I've seen employees registering on a site just to bash a competitor's product or to praise his own (anyone remembers the Belkin's foul play at Amazon?).

If anyone is feeling offended, don't. I'm not calling anyone a liar.
If you're truly having this problem just return the camcorder and get a new one. If the replacement has the same problem, send it back. If there's a problem with a batch or even batches of units, the best way to get Panasonic's attention is to make them notice the returns.
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post #415 of 1620
6/29/10 at 11:41am
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Originally Posted by Trafalgar_Law View Post

I've just found this thread on dvinfo.net posted by Yuriy Med.

http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/panasoni...-shooting.html

Yuriy said that it happens on BOTH upwards and downwards. My camcorder is currently at the service center so I couldn't try it myself. Can someone test this too?

Yeah, I mentioned that earlier.
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post #416 of 1620
6/29/10 at 11:47am
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Originally Posted by Djizasse View Post

I've just tested my TM700. I mounted it on my tripod and tried to replicate the shake. 80º up (can't go to 90ºup), 90º down, 45º up and down, ia, manual, no stabilization, stabilization mode 1, mode 2, AGS on, off.

The camera was connected through HDMI to my 52" LCD. Any shaking should be noticeable with this size.

I could not see any shacking whatsoever.

There might be some units that have this anomaly, which I believe that is enough to send the camcorder back to the factory for repair. Mine does not exhibit this malfunction.

Yuriy Med? Who the hell is Yuriy Med? Just some guy with 2 posts on DVInfo and an incomplete link that does not lead anywhere. And videos on Vimeo made by users that only have clips about the 700 series and seem to only be there for reporting problems are also ignored. 640x480 compressed clips also don't seem credible.

I personally don't believe any reports by new users. Never had, never will. I've seen employees registering on a site just to bash a competitor's product or to praise his own (anyone remembers the Belkin's foul play at Amazon?).

If anyone is feeling offended, don't. I'm not calling anyone a liar.
If you're truly having this problem just return the camcorder and get a new one. If the replacement has the same problem, send it back. If there's a problem with a batch or even batches of units, the best way to get Panasonic's attention is to make them notice the returns.

Well, how about a clip then?
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post #417 of 1620
6/29/10 at 1:48pm
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Originally Posted by Trafalgar_Law View Post

Hi Myg,
..............
I bought this TM-700 on purpose to shoot -90 degree downward to the floor How-To videos. Everything is setup ready and waiting for this TM-700 camcorder. If it can't do this simple task, so I have to find another solution. At this point what I hope for is it just happen only in the first lot. If not, I will have it refunded, so I can buy another one that doesn't shake.

Hi, Trafalgar_Law!

Good news for you and others. Today I have received a reply from Russian Panasonic service (I live in Russia).

They wrote:

"The problem with shaking video caused by AUTOFOCUS. Try to select manual mode, and adjust MANUAL FOCUS in your video shooting conditions"

I have tried and at 45 and 90 degrees with manual focus - the video is rock solid.

See my videos on vimeo:
http://www.vimeo.com/12954518 (90 degrees with O.I.S.)
http://www.vimeo.com/12955896 (90 degrees without O.I.S)

Please, confirm if it works for you.

Keep in touch.

MYG
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post #418 of 1620
6/29/10 at 1:54pm
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Originally Posted by Djizasse View Post

Yuriy Med? Who the hell is Yuriy Med?

Hi, detective!

Yuriy Med is MYG. This is my account on that site. This is the same person, this is me.

If did not see shaking then you was in manual focus mode. Panasonic just replied me, see my post above.

Good luck.

MYG
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post #419 of 1620
6/29/10 at 2:23pm
myg,

Although my panny didn't seem to have this issue, the reply is good news for those who did. Hopefully this issue can now be put to bed.
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post #420 of 1620
6/29/10 at 2:37pm
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Originally Posted by myg View Post

Hi, detective!

Yuriy Med is MYG. This is my account on that site. This is the same person, this is me.

If did not see shaking then you was in manual focus mode. Panasonic just replied me, see my post above.

Good luck.

MYG

I wasn't able to put the camera in Manual Focus and iA at the same time
Glad you found the problem. Fortunately, my auto focus seems to work fine in any circumstance
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