NEW MFW-15 amps (May 2010) *pics* - Page 8

Originally Posted by KlipschHead281

Imagine what it's like to write it, I'm getting tired of this fiasco.

Originally Posted by Mac11700

What I can't fathom is why after all of the amp replacements you have had that you didn't demand your money back completely and demand a call tag from them to return ship them. How many now for you 6? Sorry Bro..to take all of their lame ass excuses and piss poor replacements and keep going back for more is IMHO stupid.

Get on the phone and demand your full amount you paid for them and shipping refunded.Enough is Enough. As long as folks like you keep taking it up the rear without a peep, they will continue screwing folks over,it's as simple as that. If they don't want to accommodate you,start a poll and get as many folks with these POS broken subs in their homes together to try to start a class action lawsuit against them. If they see your willing to do this then you might get your money back in full with the shipping paid for. I would also demand the money before shipping the sub too,hell it might just disappear like all of the post and threads over at their forum when folks complain openly.

Mac

Originally Posted by NicksHitachi

I set the phase on one to get maximum spl, then run both and set 2nd one to achieve maximum spl with both playing test tones.

Originally Posted by crOwcaine

Really Mac? Really? This coming from you? Dude you were the biggest fanboy I have EVER came across in the history of the internet. If one of your Rockets murdered your Paroquets while they were in the middle of singing a song 3 years ago you would have posted it as a good thing. I remember you salivating over the MFW and every other speaker MLS drew on a napkin, do you? Guess what, some of us like the MFW still, politics aside and we want one that works. If they want to ship me 15 amps pre-paid until one works, I'll keep asking for new ones. I'm sure you are really pissed at MLS right now but when a bunch of us used to hint at the smell of his rancid BS, you were always there to attack full force. People want what they paid for, what idiots right? Remember, we didn't all have "personal friendships" with MLS. For Christ sake, if you didn't let yourself get so emotionally involved with the man, you wouldn't be hurt by what's happened. I think of him as a guy who sold me speakers at a great price that turned out to be a WHOPPING DOUCHE BAG and that's where it ends.

Originally Posted by Jed M

But Mac, if they start rightfully refunding people's money like they should have starting with the UFW-12's, how would they have any money to piss away, er... develop their new POS 12" subwoofer?

Originally Posted by jehanzeb

OK thanks!
That works out to about 0 on the first one and 180 on the second one for me.

Originally Posted by Mac11700

Good question Jed, they should be more interested in refunding peoples money for a broken product instead of wasting what little resources they have. Of course this would be something a truly honest and caring CEO of an honest and truly caring company would want to do ,since their reputation was built on the backs of those who purchased from them in the past.Since folks now know that they are anything but honest and caring I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for those leopards to change their spots.

Mac

Originally Posted by crOwcaine

Really Mac? Really? This coming from you? Dude you were the biggest fanboy I have EVER came across in the history of the internet. If one of your Rockets murdered your Paroquets while they were in the middle of singing a song 3 years ago you would have posted it as a good thing. I remember you salivating over the MFW and every other speaker MLS drew on a napkin, do you? Guess what, some of us like the MFW still, politics aside and we want one that works. If they want to ship me 15 amps pre-paid until one works, I'll keep asking for new ones. I'm sure you are really pissed at MLS right now but when a bunch of us used to hint at the smell of his rancid BS, you were always there to attack full force. People want what they paid for, what idiots right? Remember, we didn't all have "personal friendships" with MLS. For Christ sake, if you didn't let yourself get so emotionally involved with the man, you wouldn't be hurt by what's happened. I think of him as a guy who sold me speakers at a great price that turned out to be a WHOPPING DOUCHE BAG and that's where it ends.

Originally Posted by KlipschHead281

Mac,

Let's look at this, we can scream and complain all day, we all know they will NOT refund for the UFW's or MFW's so people have a choice here.

1. Call AV123 and scream and demand and get nothing except maybe more amplifiers or replacement parts for whatever is wrong but wait longer because you screamed into the phone. I doubt MLS loses any sleep when people do this.

2. File a small claims court claim and pay more than you did for the subwoofer and possibly win your case only to be in line with other companies/people who are owed money and still have a dead subwoofer.

3. Sell it, which is fine as long as you are trust worthy enough to let the buyer know that you are selling something they might not be able to fix unless they get creative or if it does work it may not live long. Too often I have read posts from people who complain about how a company lies to them then they themselves lie to sell it to somebody else.

4. Work with the company to get a working product, how long you do this is dependent on the individual.

5. Complain on Internet forums.

Which ever works for you is fine.

Originally Posted by Mac11700

Being patent is one thing,continuing to be screwed over is another matter entirely.If you willings accept what is given,then that is on your shoulders,just as it was when I supported that company.
Mac

Originally Posted by Chu Gai

I understand and sympathize where you're coming from. With respect to small claims, the cost to file is nominal but you have to be present at the hearing and hearings have a way of getting turned into subsequent hearings. If the company (MLS) doesn't settle up assuming you win, he'll have to file paperwork listing assets and debits to substantiate the non payment. This approach was used successfully by Sean Parque, aka the Skiing Ninja, to finally obtain not only two LS-6's but a financial settlement (paid) to compensate him for assembling them himself.

Another approach can be to go to the Colorado AG's webpage and file a complaint with their consumer division. This can be a lengthy process but at least one person that I know of was able to do so successfully.

At this time, I'm skeptical that any complaints on any forums will result in speedier resolution nor is it likely that Longmont will engage the issues publicly. Do the best you can and choose the approach that works for you.

Originally Posted by KlipschHead281

Being sent bad amplifiers is never on the customers shoulders. Being patient is not something to hold against somebody, you don't want to be, great don't be, but because I choose to wait it out doesn't mean anything to anybody but me.

I know this is a forum where everybody shares opinions, you have now stated people are basically stupid for not thinking as you do, how about moving on.

Originally Posted by Mac11700

Not on the backs of customers you say for being sent repeatably bad amps you say,perhaps if it was in your case 2 or even 3 times,I agree allow them to attempt to make it right. Anymore than that it's time to demand a complete full refund or your just allowing them to screw you over.

Your not quite right..I do think anyone who has gone through as many amp replacements as you have with out going about getting their money back is kinda stupid.Especially en light of what is taking place with the company's CEO. Just how long do you think you have left to resolve your amp issue?

I wish you best of luck trying it your way and continue forcing them to ship you amp after amp until you get one that works as originally promised. I don't think it will do much good until they are forced to deliver what was originally promised and what was paid for by the customer. Allowing any company,not just this one a free pass to continue doing what they are is doing, is wrong. It is up to the consumer to stand up and demand satisfaction,if the consumer doesn't do this,then in this case, this company hasn't any compelling reason to do so.They will force you or anyone else in the same situation to just accept what they come out with,no matter how much cheaper the cost or what features they choose to remove,or how undewhelming the performance loss.

I really do understand the WHY of your wanting a fully functional mfw-15,honestly I do,and I have always comended you on your willingness to wait it out and see it through,but if they were going to make things right,not just for you,but for the countless others in the same situation you are in,they would have done so already long before now.Your not dealing with a company who puts the customers first,like another well know ID company,your dealing with a company tetering on self destruction. Get your money back any way you can as soon as you can.


Mac

Originally Posted by KlipschHead281

Are you going to wash, rinse and repeat or can we agree that we won't agree?

Mac,

Let's look at this, we can scream and complain all day, we all know they will NOT refund for the UFW's or MFW's so people have a choice here.

1. Call AV123 and scream and demand and get nothing except maybe more amplifiers or replacement parts for whatever is wrong but wait longer because you screamed into the phone. I doubt MLS loses any sleep when people do this.

No,actually call AV123 and tell them that unless you receive a full refund of what you originally spent inclusive of all shipping charges,that you will turn the matter over to your States Attorney to work in conjunction with the Colorado States Attorneys office. If they scoff or refuse,make good on your statement to them.

2. File a small claims court claim and pay more than you did for the subwoofer and possibly win your case only to be in line with other companies/people who are owed money and still have a dead subwoofer.

See #1's answer,a phone call or 2 isn't going to cost you much

3. Sell it, which is fine as long as you are trust worthy enough to let the buyer know that you are selling something they might not be able to fix unless they get creative or if it does work it may not live long. Too often I have read posts from people who complain about how a company lies to them then they themselves lie to sell it to somebody else.

If you sell it and try to cut your losses that way,your not doing anything except letting them off the hook for your financial loss and aggravation

4. Work with the company to get a working product, how long you do this is dependent on the individual.

Under normal circumstances I would agree with you,but what has transpired with this company is by no means normal.Look,they have gone through 3 complete revisions of the amp for this sub. Had they just used quality components in it as designed from the on set,this thread most likely wouldn't exist.There was no need to change the design of the sub from the original Seaton design.They went the cheap parts and cheap labor to keep the manufacturing cost lower than what they were supposed to be on these subs,just so they could maximize profits.What are they doing now with them.?

5. Complain on Internet forums.

Complaining on this forum can do some good if you have enough people to make a impact.It has worked before,it can work again.The problem is as long as people keep making excuses for a shoddy sub,and company,and holding out in hopes of them correcting their own caused problems,then nothing will change.There is an appropriate saying for folks doing this, Wish in 1 hand and crap in the other,then see which fills up first



Which ever works for you is fine.

If you are happy getting screwed over and over and over and over by the same company for the same sub,or have resigned yourself to doing nothing about it except posting on forums about it,then why complain at all.

Originally Posted by Mac11700

Agree on we won't agree ? You said this to me earlier

Mac,

Let's look at this, we can scream and complain all day, we all know they will NOT refund for the UFW's or MFW's so people have a choice here.

1. Call AV123 and scream and demand and get nothing except maybe more amplifiers or replacement parts for whatever is wrong but wait longer because you screamed into the phone. I doubt MLS loses any sleep when people do this.

No,actually call AV123 and tell them that unless you receive a full refund of what you originally spent inclusive of all shipping charges,that you will turn the matter over to your States Attorney to work in conjunction with the Colorado States Attorneys office. If they scoff or refuse,make good on your statement to them.

2. File a small claims court claim and pay more than you did for the subwoofer and possibly win your case only to be in line with other companies/people who are owed money and still have a dead subwoofer.

See #1's answer,a phone call or 2 isn't going to cost you much

3. Sell it, which is fine as long as you are trust worthy enough to let the buyer know that you are selling something they might not be able to fix unless they get creative or if it does work it may not live long. Too often I have read posts from people who complain about how a company lies to them then they themselves lie to sell it to somebody else.

If you sell it and try to cut your losses that way,your not doing anything except letting them off the hook for your financial loss and aggravation

4. Work with the company to get a working product, how long you do this is dependent on the individual.

Under normal circumstances I would agree with you,but what has transpired with this company is by no means normal.Look,they have gone through 3 complete revisions of the amp for this sub. Had they just used quality components in it as designed from the on set,this thread most likely wouldn't exist.There was no need to change the design of the sub from the original Seaton design.They went the cheap parts and cheap labor to keep the manufacturing cost lower than what they were supposed to be on these subs,just so they could maximize profits.What are they doing now with them.?

5. Complain on Internet forums.

Complaining on this forum can do some good if you have enough people to make a impact.It has worked before,it can work again.The problem is as long as people keep making excuses for a shoddy sub,and company,and holding out in hopes of them correcting their own caused problems,then nothing will change.There is an appropriate saying for folks doing this, Wish in 1 hand and crap in the other,then see which fills up first



Which ever works for you is fine.

If you are happy getting screwed over and over and over and over by the same company for the same sub,or have resigned yourself to doing nothing about it except posting on forums about it,then why complain at all.


Is this what you mean?

Mac

Originally Posted by stevo238

Let me try and sum up what Mac is trying to say.

It isn’t pollution that is hurting the environment, it’s the impurities in our air and water that are doing it. ~ Dan Quayle

Quayle - One word sums up probably the responsibility of any vice president, and that one word is 'to be prepared'.

Biden - Look, John's last-minute economic plan does nothing to tackle the number-one job facing the middle class, and it happens to be, as Barack says, a three-letter word: jobs. J-O-B-S, jobs. or how about this gem - A man I'm proud to call my friend. A man who will be the next President of the United States — Barack America!

Obama - On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes -- and I see many of them in the audience here today...

Originally Posted by Im2sexy

Ahhh I think the best one was Barack saying CorpsEman instead of Corpsman over and over and over

Mac,

Just wow. I could state the sky is blue and I honestly think you'd argue the point. I have made my points, you have made yours and at this point, I don't care about yours so argue with somebody who cares what you have to say from here on ok.

Originally Posted by tesseract67

I wish we knew for sure if the proper EQ was implemented. Of course if one were to ask them, the answer would almost certainly be the one we would want to hear.

I hope they truly take the time to troubleshoot your amp, KH. And I hope you can get a properly functioning one, I think you deserve it.

Originally Posted by tesseract67

Holy cow, dude. That is some serious SPL, sounds like fun.

I have a new neighbor that moved in next door. He came over with 2 beers and asked me if I could keep it down. Then he asked if he could take a listen. He left wanting to buy my mains and my MFW-15.

Originally Posted by KlipschHead281

Dual MFW's can definately pound the hell out of a house.