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post #241 of 4573
5/27/10 at 11:45pm
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a) TS is also used for m2ts files from what i can remember. I`ll check that in an hour and tell for sure, i just woke up

b) How did you extract it? Did you copy it from the ISO file? If so, yes, it has the HD audio. If you want to rip it as BR folder strcuture (to play it back via TMT3) you can use my guide.

c) Well, not everybody whats to ripping on their HTPC. Ripping takes 20-30 minutes and in that time your HTPC will be almost unusuable, because of the huge number of reading/writing to your HDD that takes place during ripping. Others have their movies stored on a mini-server or on a NAS. Others have a faster HDD so doing it on your main PC is faster (my case for ex).


yes i mounted the ISO and copied out the m2ts file.

so looks like there are 3 formats you can rip blu-ray to?
1) ISO
2) Blu-ray folder
3) MKV

what are the file size differences? just minimal? and which one would you say is the best file type to save to if i want to best PQ/audio (HD preferred).
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post #242 of 4573
5/28/10 at 12:53am
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Minimal, 200-300 MB am most. There is no difference between them in terms of video/audio quality because you are remuxing, not re-encoding. You just take the audio/video stream and put it into another container (mkv/m2ts/ts are containers) . Kinda like having a tomato and a carrot in one bowl, and you take the tomato and carrot and put it into another bowl. but they are still the same fruits.

BR folder have the advantage of being played by any standalone player, so if you want to take a BR folder structure and play it on a standalone player you just burn the structure to a Blu ray disk.

MKV has the advantage of being one single file so it`s easier to manage and you can add external subtitles in SRT format. On a BR folder structure you need to remux it again with TS Muxer to insert the sub. Also, MPC-HC lets you modifiy the size of the subtitles, can`t do that in TMT3.
The disadvantage is that subtitles are inferior (quality wise, SRT subs are little more jaggy) because they are text based (SRT) while Blu Ray folder structures use PGS. Support for PSG subs in MKV is coming in the near future. Also, if you want to play MKV on the standalone player, you need to remux it to a Blu ray folder structure.

ISOs i don`t recomend since you have TMT3, it`s just another useless step in the process of playing the file. It takes more time to mount the iso, when you can just play it immediatly from a BR folder structure. PDVD9/10 doesn`t support Blu Ray folders, you only need ISOs for that. But that`s not your case.

Anyway, the mkv ripping guide is finished, if your interested in ripping to MKV.
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post #243 of 4573
5/28/10 at 1:47am
As far as container size I show that with all factors being equal an mkv is the most efficient with space and can result in up to a 1GB difference versus the same m2ts:

http://www.mediasmartserver.net/2009...ger-than-mine/

@ GreenEyez - on your first post you mention that bitstreaming can not be done with the Realtek drive. This is not correct. I think for programs like TMT you need the ATI HDMI driver from CCC, but otherwise the Realtek driver works fine for bitstreaming (that is what I use to bitstream with MPC)
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post #244 of 4573
5/28/10 at 3:47am
Maybe someone can help me figure out what I missed.

I read all the Important notes and did everything in Section 1:1 (install latest DX and Install MPC-HC & ffdshow then followed everything)

I am still only getting DTS passthrough, can not get DTS-HD MA to passthrough.

This is what I'm working with should be everything you need to know.

i3-530 with Intel HD Graphics
Gigabyte GA-H55m-UD2h
Win 7 Home x64
Pioneer Elite Kuro PRO-111FD
Denon 2809CI

Going to reinstall everything and try that out.
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post #245 of 4573
5/28/10 at 4:14am
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Originally Posted by BDestroyer8418 View Post

Maybe someone can help me figure out what I missed.

I read all the Important notes and did everything in Section 1:1 (install latest DX and Install MPC-HC & ffdshow then followed everything)

I am still only getting DTS passthrough, can not get DTS-HD MA to passthrough.

This is what I'm working with should be everything you need to know.

i3-530 with Intel HD Graphics
Gigabyte GA-H55m-UD2h
Win 7 Home x64
Pioneer Elite Kuro PRO-111FD
Denon 2809CI

Going to reinstall everything and try that out.

Have you ever confirmed that your receiver is set up for Bitstreaming (i.e. I have a Pioneer receiver and wasn't getting bitstreaming at first, turns out I needed to change a setting on my receiver). Also, can you confirm that you have grabbed the latest svn/beta ffdshow/MPC HC and not the latest "stable" releases.
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post #246 of 4573
5/28/10 at 4:29am
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

Have you ever confirmed that your receiver is set up for Bitstreaming (i.e. I have a Pioneer receiver and wasn't getting bitstreaming at first, turns out I needed to change a setting on my receiver). Also, can you confirm that you have grabbed the latest svn/beta ffdshow/MPC HC and not the latest "stable" releases.

I was using ffdshow_rev3439_20100514_clsid.exe. I see there is ffdshow_rev3452_20100523_clsid_x64.exe it ws hidden is that the one.
Also for the MPC HC I was using whatever came in CCCP. I will just download it from there page and uninstall CCCP.

Yea my Receiver is setup since I have my PS3 Bitstreaming but I will look again might be different for computer.

I'll try this out later and see what happens...thanks
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post #247 of 4573
5/28/10 at 4:32am
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Originally Posted by BDestroyer8418 View Post

I was using ffdshow_rev3439_20100514_clsid.exe. I see there is ffdshow_rev3452_20100523_clsid_x64.exe it ws hidden.
Also for the MPC HC I was using whatever came in CCCP. I will try just using MPC-HC.

Yea my Receiver is setup since I had my PS3 Bitstreaming but I will look again might be different for computer.

I'll check try that out later and see what happens.

Make sure you grab the latest MPC HC from here:

http://www.xvidvideo.ru/media-player...cinema-x86-x64

Also, make sure your version of FFDShow and MPC HC match up (I see you are using W7 x64, so if you grab the x64 version of MPC HC make sure you grab the x64 version of FFDShow. You can also use x32 for both)
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post #248 of 4573
5/28/10 at 6:50am
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

As far as container size I show that with all factors being equal an mkv is the most efficient with space and can result in up to a 1GB difference versus the same m2ts:

http://www.mediasmartserver.net/2009...ger-than-mine/

@ GreenEyez - on your first post you mention that bitstreaming can not be done with the Realtek drive. This is not correct. I think for programs like TMT you need the ATI HDMI driver from CCC, but otherwise the Realtek driver works fine for bitstreaming (that is what I use to bitstream with MPC)

Yes, for TMT3 you need the Ati driver. It confused alot of people (and still does) so i added that remark, but you`re right, i exaggerated with the "useless" remark. I`ll just note that it`s recommended to have the Ati driver for compatibility with certain apps.

1Gb difference? Hmm, that`s more than i expected. Last time i did comparisons it was something something like 200-400Mb.
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post #249 of 4573
5/28/10 at 6:54am
Ok so I am running these 2 builds now and still the same thing.

MPC-HomeCinema.1.3.1959.0.x64
ffdshow_rev3452_20100523_clsid_x64

Once the movie started to play I made sure it was the correct audio track (DTS-HD MA English) and then if you go over to filters it's reading DTS bitstreaming only still not DTS-HD MA. The Denon reads DTS only as well.

So look on the Denon didn't see anything so not sure if its the AVR or a setting on the Motherboard or something else.

In ffdshow Audio Decoder-

Beside checking 16/24 bit integer should I also check 16 bits LPCM.
Also what about Connect as PCM first (it was checked)
Not sure if these mean anything to me to help the problem.

Thanks
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post #250 of 4573
5/28/10 at 7:10am
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Your ffdshow options should look like this (pic below).

Also, the ffdshow audio decoder is reporting DTS even if it`s actually bitstreaming DTS-HD MA.
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post #251 of 4573
5/28/10 at 7:17am
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Guide note : Added pics with 7MC with MB & custom theme and some of the plugins from my HTPC at the end of the guide.
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post #252 of 4573
5/28/10 at 7:37am
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Originally Posted by GreenEyez View Post

Your ffdshow options should look like this (pic below).

Also, the ffdshow audio decoder is reporting DTS even if it`s actually bitstreaming DTS-HD MA.


Yup it was pretty close. I had the 24 bit integer checked and didn't have Allow direct-to-file output check marked.

Also I check to see if Dolby TrueHD was working and it is.

There might be a problem with the Intel Chip. Any movie I play it starts to get a Rainbow effect to the image every few secs about 5 secs (when I 1st put it togther last night I watched a movie and it was not doing this). Not sure if it's a HDD problem going to install the other HDDs and see if they are doing the same thing.

Might be a driver problem too with the Intel I have to look into it or I might need to just go buy a 5XXX HD card, but my settings are correct.

Thanks
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post #253 of 4573
5/28/10 at 7:39am
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Originally Posted by BDestroyer8418 View Post

Yup it was pretty close. I had the 24 bit integer checked and didn't have Allow direct-to-file output check marked.

Also I check to see if Dolby TrueHD was working and it is.

There might be a problem with the Intel Chip. Any movie I play it starts to get a Rainbow effect to the image every few secs about 5 secs (when I 1st put it togther last night I watched a movie and it was not doing this). Not sure if it's a HDD problem going to install the other HDDs and see if they are doing the same thing.

Might be a driver problem too with the Intel I have to look into it or I might need to just go buy a 5XXX HD card, but my settings are correct.

Thanks

The issue is because MPC filters does not play well with the core i3/i5, you need to use other filters. Try using the Microsoft DTV Video Decoder or PDVD 10 Video decoder for h264 and Arcsoft for VC-1.
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post #254 of 4573
5/28/10 at 8:29am
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Originally Posted by GreenEyez View Post

FFdshow is set as the secondary (backup) video decoder in Section 1.1. The MPC-HC internal filters are used for DXVA compliant videos, and ffdshow (software decoding) will kick in only if you have a non-DXVA compliant video. The reason behind this is that the ffdshow ffmpeg-mt is better optimized than the internal MPC-HC decoder when it comes to software decoding, at least from what i have seen.

Thanks for the help. In the process of testing this, but now my next problem has arisen. How do I get WMC to see .mkv files in the Videos Library when using the process in B]Section 1.1[/b]? I use My Movies for movies so that should be a non-issue, but my home movies which I've converted from avchd to mkv don't show in my Videoos Library now.
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post #255 of 4573
5/28/10 at 8:49am
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Install the haali media (MKV) splitter : http://haali.su/mkv/

Be sure to unselect "disable Gabest Matroska splitter" & "disable internal MPC internal splitter" when asked during the install.
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post #256 of 4573
5/28/10 at 9:33am
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Originally Posted by GreenEyez View Post

Install the haali media (MKV) splitter : http://haali.su/mkv/

Be sure to unselect "disable Gabest Matroska splitter" & "disable internal MPC internal splitter" when asked during the install.

If I understand that logic when I play a video from the Videos Library in WMC it will use window's codecs and Haali's and not MPC-HC/ffdshow? Which is fine as I'll still get DVXA and dont' need sub's for my home movies.
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post #257 of 4573
5/28/10 at 9:51am
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Yes, unless you asociated ffdshow as the default H.264 decoder like it says in the Optional section of 1.1 :
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Optional - Associating ffdshow with video streams outside of MPC-HC, for use with the internal 7MCE player (for your videos library, for ex)

Win7DS filter

Preffered DirectShow decoding filters tab
->set ffdshow to handle H.264/VC-1 (and Xvid/DivX if needed). Click Apply (3 times) and exit.

If you did, it will use ffdshow software decoding. In this case, you can reasociate the default MS H.264 by running the Win7DS again.
And yes, the MS decoder has DXVA.
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post #258 of 4573
5/28/10 at 10:02am
greate resource.
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post #259 of 4573
5/28/10 at 10:57am
Thread Starter 
Thanks .

News : media browser plugin repertory is down for maintanence and upgrades (for the upcoming Cronos aka 2.2.4) so if you can`t get plugins, don`t be afraid, it`s not your HTPC.
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post #260 of 4573
5/28/10 at 5:31pm
Well just wanted to say thanks for help and great info here.

I found my problem everytime I would DL Media Player Classic HomeCinema x64 (Complete package) it had a old BUILD in the package. I had to DL the Media Player Classic HomeCinema x64 (Only EXE file) and it works now.

Running - mpc-hc64.exe.r-1976.x64

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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

The issue is because MPC filters does not play well with the core i3/i5, you need to use other filters. Try using the Microsoft DTV Video Decoder or PDVD 10 Video decoder for h264 and Arcsoft for VC-1.

I got Microsoft DTV Video Decoder working. Where can I find PDVD 10 and Arcsoft ones.

thanks
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post #261 of 4573
5/29/10 at 12:32am
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If you have the MS decoder and it`s working fine, you don`t need the other.
So bitstreaming work`s now,right?
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post #262 of 4573
5/29/10 at 12:43am
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Media browser 2.2.4 (Cronos) Just got released.

Download link : http://code.google.com/p/videobrowser/downloads/list

Change log :

* The Media type is now retrieved from locally stored metadata.
* Better support for using MyMovies and Media Browser side-by-side. The user can now set the preferred order of local artwork.
* Watched status indicators are working normally again.
* It is now possible to Clear the Cache from the Media Browser Configuration Wizard.
* Various sort-order bugs for Media Collections have been fixed.
* Lots of other bugs have been fixed.
* You can use SQLite and share playstate settings & display settings.
* Better rotating backdrop support. It is now possible to randomize the order in which they appear.
* Using the custom entrypoints no longer results in a full library refresh.
* Improved installer interface that can create optional shortcuts to Media Browser.
* Overall performance increase due to various changes to the cache mechanism.
* Last but not least, Media Browser can now be localized by theme developers and the community.

I`ve also tested the release candidate a couple of days ago and it`s very stable, and faster than previous releases, so i suggest upgrading to everybody.
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post #263 of 4573
5/29/10 at 3:59am
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Originally Posted by BDestroyer8418 View Post

Well just wanted to say thanks for help and great info here.

I found my problem everytime I would DL Media Player Classic HomeCinema x64 (Complete package) it had a old BUILD in the package. I had to DL the Media Player Classic HomeCinema x64 (Only EXE file) and it works now.

Running - mpc-hc64.exe.r-1976.x64



I got Microsoft DTV Video Decoder working. Where can I find PDVD 10 and Arcsoft ones.

thanks

If the Microsoft DTV Video Decoder is working I would stick with that as it is very good for h264. Arcsoft or Babgvant's VC1 Tweak works best for VC-1, although I am experiencing some issues with playback now that I am trying to sort out
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post #264 of 4573
5/29/10 at 7:55am
Hello,

I've been using MM3 which is great, and decided to give MB a try. All my bluray are ripped to ISO on WHS. Playback has been smooth with MM3 and TMT3.

I installed MB last night and was surprised that all the movies were found with metadata. However, I get this message when trying to play a bluray.

After about 10 seconds, TMT3 will kick in and play the ISO. IS this a glitch in the program, or do I have something configured incorrectly?

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post #265 of 4573
5/29/10 at 8:13am
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Originally Posted by bellaireroad View Post

I installed MB last night and was surprised that all the movies were found with metadata. However, I get this message when trying to play a bluray.

After about 10 seconds, TMT3 will kick in and play the ISO. IS this a glitch in the program, or do I have something configured incorrectly?

In the extenders + iso tab in configuration, make sure Use Autoplay is checked.
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post #266 of 4573
5/29/10 at 8:17am
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Originally Posted by ilovejedd View Post

In the extenders + iso tab in configuration, make sure Use Autoplay is checked.

Wow, that works like a charm, thanks so much!
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post #267 of 4573
5/29/10 at 8:19am
What command do I set the Exit key on my Harmony 720. No Browser_Back is available. I do have the Exit command set to Browser_Back in MPC-HC. imon has no Exit command available for the MPC-HC program.

So, exit is the one command that I really need but I need some help in setting it up.

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Originally Posted by Example of key mapping :

Command -> App Command

[TABLE View Post

Play -> Media_Play
Pause -> Media_Pause
Stop -> Media_Stop
Exit -> Browser_Back *
Next Subtitle -> MCE_Red
Next Audio -> MCE_Blue
Increase Rate -> Media_Fast_Forward
Decrease Rate -> Media_Rewind[/table]

When you press the return button, it automatically closes MPC-HC and returns to the 7MC interface

Otherwise, thanks for the guide. I have greatly improved my set up of media browser by finding more meta data and using the diamond theme and using ffd show with mpc-hc.
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post #268 of 4573
5/29/10 at 8:38am
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Originally Posted by GreenEyez View Post

If you have the MS decoder and it`s working fine, you don`t need the other.
So bitstreaming work`s now,right?

Yes Bitstreaming works right now. I had to just DL the new Build and replace in the Program Folder and it's working fine now. I didn't even catch it was the old build (that was in the complete package or atleast the movies were opening in the old build) til I was taking a screen shot and saw the build date in the bar on top.

Yea MS Decoder is working fine just need something for VC1

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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

If the Microsoft DTV Video Decoder is working I would stick with that as it is very good for h264. Arcsoft or Babgvant's VC1 Tweak works best for VC-1, although I am experiencing some issues with playback now that I am trying to sort out

That's what I am having trouble with only now is VC1 (not sure how to explain other than the movie plays in slow motion kind like it's skipping). I will try Babgvant's VC1 Tweak see if that works.

Thanks again for the help - GreenEyez and dbone1026
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post #269 of 4573
5/29/10 at 9:02am
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Originally Posted by Postmoderndesign View Post

What command do I set the Exit key on my Harmony 720. No Browser_Back is available. I do have the Exit command set to Browser_Back in MPC-HC. imon has no Exit command available for the MPC-HC program.

So, exit is the one command that I really need but I need some help in setting it up.



Otherwise, thanks for the guide. I have greatly improved my set up of media browser by finding more meta data and using the diamond theme and using ffd show with mpc-hc.

Use Media_Stop, that is what I assign t o the Exit command in MPC
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post #270 of 4573
5/29/10 at 9:04am
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Originally Posted by BDestroyer8418 View Post

Yes Bitstreaming works right now. I had to just DL the new Build and replace in the Program Folder and it's working fine now. I didn't even catch it was the old build (that was in the complete package or atleast the movies were opening in the old build) til I was taking a screen shot and saw the build date in the bar on top.

Yea MS Decoder is working fine just need something for VC1



That's what I am having trouble with only now is VC1 (not sure how to explain other than the movie plays in slow motion kind like it's skipping)

Thanks again for the help - GreenEyez and dbone1026

Did you try using the VC1 Tweaker I linked to? The other option is the arcsoft video decoder which for some reason is not working on my HTPC all of a sudden. Let me research a little more and then I will write back.
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