Originally Posted by rajdude
Good idea about the comparison screenshots....
By the way, since this is OT..........you may want to start a seperate thread about it. That way others can chip in with their own experiences.
Also, if possible, could you take screenshots while playing an actual BD disk or mounted ISO.....not rips? I still don't trust those rips. Some kind of encoding / transcoding may happen inadvertently.
But then again.......for the purpose of this comparision........it does not really matter, does it.
Also one more thing........the extra sharpness you are referring to........are you sure it is not just artificially added edge enhancement.........which may be percieved by our eyes as "looking sharper"?
TVs add sharpness all the time............just the make the video pop out in the stores.....but it gets tiring fast. And of course , the video is no more an accurate representation of the original video.
Another thing.......WMC does not , by default play blu-rays........so this comparison is not really WMC vs MPC.
It is rather WMC + some codec vs MPC.
Then again..........it is the codec which is rendering the picture, right? So it may not really WMC which is [supposedly] making the pic soft.
Maybe the codec you install to play those BD rips does not play well with WMC.......but plays better in MPC.
A more fair test would be to use a DVD [which both players can play by default....out of the box]
Like I said....this is all OT!
PS: by the way, I always have used PDVD to play Blu-ray ISOs and I have compared it with stand-alone players.........I feel PDVD on a HTPC gives a better PQ
OT? You mean offtopic ? Not quite, since it relates to the players used in my guide, a comparison between them doesn`t hurt for the readers.
But i`ll do a separate thread and add the results here also.
As you said, WMP12 can`t play Bu rays disks or Blu ray folders or ISO images. MPC-HC can, but it`s limited when it comes to menus (last i heard, anyway).
They are both used for playback of rips in my guide, namely rips in MKV or m2ts containers.
The rips have untouched video and HD audio, believe me. TS Muxer/ Clown BD and Another EAC3to gui are just remuxing
applications, they cannot touch the video stream in anyway, even if they wanted to. They would need an encoder like x264 to do that. They were designed to extract streams from 1 container and put them in another (from m2ts to mkv), they can`t modify or alter those video/audio streams in any way. Only the subs are converted from Sub to SRT (since mkv does not support PGS subtitles).
Like moving a titanium bar from one bucket to another. You can`t modify that bar unless you have specilized cutting equipment.
As for DVDs, i threw most of them in my attic, i`m going to try to find a couple and put them in the test, i hope i find somethign since it`s a jungle in there
As for the sharpening, yes i think MPC-HC maybe throwing some edge-enhancement post processing on the video (and no, i don`t use shaders like sharpen complex), that`s what i suspected too. PQ seems the same between using the MPC-HC decoder & the MS decoder, used with WMP12. But i`ll add the MS decoder to the testing.
So basically this is want i`m going to do
-> MPC-HC with its decoder
-> WMP 12 with its decoder
-> WMP 12 with the MPC-HC decoder
-> Avatar - m2ts container
-> Saving Private Ryan - mkv container
-> Black Hawk Down - mkv container
-> Terminator 4 Salvation - mkv container
-> War of the Worlds - m2ts container
-> 2 or 3 DVDs, i`m going to see what i find in the "jungle"
Hope i have time to finish it tonight, since my fridge just went crazy and i think something blew in it and i`m a little busy trying to figure out what happend