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post #1 of 18
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So, I am looking into buying an HTPC. I am not looking to build my own for various reason (time, energy, etc). So ideal I would like to either have it built for me, or get an out of the box solution.

I have seen a lot of the small form factor PCs like Zino HD and the Zbox. With all the upgrades you can get in the them, they are pretty pricey. And generally there isn't a lot of room to upgrade them down the line.

I found this website (via Ebay) that sells pre-built HTPCs (www.lycomputers.com) and was wondering if anyone has bought anything from them before, and if this PC I am looking at would work for what I want it to do. I am doing mainly HTPC media, but also some gaming.

Here are the specs:
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LYHTPC20 Custom Media Center HTPC Computer


Processor [ CPU ]: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9400 Quad-core [2.66GHz per Core] - $99.99
Memory [ RAM ] : 8GB DDR2 240-Pin SDRAM Desktop Memory - $154.99
Hard Drive [ HDD ]: 500GB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive
Optical Drive [ DVD ]: 24X DVD/CD Rewritable Drive
Video Card [ Graphics ]: Radeon HD5770 [Dedicated Ram 1GB D-Sub,DVI,HDMI] - $129.99
Sound Card [ Audio ]: Onboard 6-Channel HD Audio
Network Card [LAN/WLAN]: Onboard 100Mbps
Media Drive: Card Reader
Power Supply: 550W High Efficiency Dual Fan Power Supply - $9.99
Operating System: None
2nd Hard Drive: 500GB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive - $59.99
2nd Optical Drive: Blu-ray Reader & DVD Reader Combo Drive
TV Tuner Card: TV Tuner with Remote Control
Keyboard & Mouse: None
It comes to ~$1000 for this build (the prices on there are additional to the base build).

Is this a reasonable/cost effective build for what I want to do? Most of the stuff I read about the components seems positive. Obviously not top of the line stuff, but able to handle HD media and some gaming (as long as I am not looking to max everything out).

Any help, suggestions, comments would be appreciated!
post #2 of 18
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Originally Posted by new@HTPC View Post

So, I am looking into buying an HTPC. I am not looking to build my own for various reason (time, energy, etc). So ideal I would like to either have it built for me, or get an out of the box solution.

I have seen a lot of the small form factor PCs like Zino HD and the Zbox. With all the upgrades you can get in the them, they are pretty pricey. And generally there isn't a lot of room to upgrade them down the line.

I found this website (via Ebay) that sells pre-built HTPCs (www.lycomputers.com) and was wondering if anyone has bought anything from them before, and if this PC I am looking at would work for what I want it to do. I am doing mainly HTPC media, but also some gaming.

Here are the specs:
Code:
LYHTPC20 Custom Media Center HTPC Computer


Processor [ CPU ]: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9400 Quad-core [2.66GHz per Core] - $99.99
Memory [ RAM ] : 8GB DDR2 240-Pin SDRAM Desktop Memory - $154.99
Hard Drive [ HDD ]: 500GB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive
Optical Drive [ DVD ]: 24X DVD/CD Rewritable Drive
Video Card [ Graphics ]: Radeon HD5770 [Dedicated Ram 1GB D-Sub,DVI,HDMI] - $129.99
Sound Card [ Audio ]: Onboard 6-Channel HD Audio
Network Card [LAN/WLAN]: Onboard 100Mbps
Media Drive: Card Reader
Power Supply: 550W High Efficiency Dual Fan Power Supply - $9.99
Operating System: None
2nd Hard Drive: 500GB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive - $59.99
2nd Optical Drive: Blu-ray Reader & DVD Reader Combo Drive
TV Tuner Card: TV Tuner with Remote Control
Keyboard & Mouse: None
It comes to ~$1000 for this build (the prices on there are additional to the base build).

Is this a reasonable/cost effective build for what I want to do? Most of the stuff I read about the components seems positive. Obviously not top of the line stuff, but able to handle HD media and some gaming (as long as I am not looking to max everything out).

Any help, suggestions, comments would be appreciated!

It would be helpful if you could also explain in more detail what activities you want to perform with your future HTPC.
post #3 of 18
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It is my main PC, but it is hooked up to my TV.

I am looking for from a media stand point:
HD movie playback (1080p hopefully)
mid to high end gaming
Blu-Ray watching

I will also be using it for internet, office application, etc.

I want something that will handle HD well, without bogging down. I don't do much HD recording, but would like to try out the TV tuner option, as I have never had one.

I also want something that I won't have to upgrade too often.
post #4 of 18
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Originally Posted by new@HTPC View Post

I want something that will handle HD well, without bogging down. I don't do much HD recording, but would like to try out the TV tuner option, as I have never had one.

What is the source/provider for your HD recording?
post #5 of 18
you are paying to much for what your are getting. meaning you will be better spent looking around for a more refined build.. for instance you don't need two optical drives (one bluray is fine), 8g of ram is way too much, you should be getting a bigger second hdd, and make sure you get a windows license...
post #6 of 18
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Originally Posted by swoon! View Post

What is the source/provider for your HD recording?

Well, I guess I should say, I don't do ANY HD recording right now other than DVR on DirecTV. Ideally, I would be able to do it through my HTPC. Never had a TV tuner so, not exactly sure how much I would use it.
post #7 of 18
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Originally Posted by new@HTPC View Post

Well, I guess I should say, I don't do ANY HD recording right now other than DVR on DirecTV. Ideally, I would be able to do it through my HTPC. Never had a TV tuner so, not exactly sure how much I would use it.

If you are married to DirecTV, your best option for recording in HD to your PC is going to be using the Hauppauge HD-PVR, so you'll want to buy something without a tuner so you can purchase that.

I agree that the build does seem to be a little overpriced for what you are getting.

You also might want to consider getting at least a 1 TB drive as they are really cheap now and will come in handy if you decide to record anything or store any media.
post #8 of 18
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Originally Posted by mike_311 View Post

you are paying to much for what your are getting. meaning you will be better spent looking around for a more refined build.. for instance you don't need two optical drives (one bluray is fine), 8g of ram is way too much, you should be getting a bigger second hdd, and make sure you get a windows license...

Good suggestion on the optical drive, both come standard on the build. I can take one of them off, to decrease price.

The 8gbs of RAM is something I wanted to overkill on a little bit, just because I don't want to have to upgrade to often. How much do you think would be necessary?

I got 2 500gb hard drives in this one, and also have roughly 3TBs worth of external storage, so I am OK on that front.

I also have a copy of windows 7 that isn't being used right now, so I am OK there as well.

So with this build, taking this post into consideration, what would be a good price for someone else to build this for me?

I priced out the parts, and it came to ~$850, though I didn't check anywhere but at Newegg. I figure I don't have the time or desire to build it myself, I don't mind paying a little premium for it. I also figured this was a better option than buying an out of the option like the Zino HD because the components are better (at least from what I can tell).
post #9 of 18
You might want to give this post a read and try to find a similar pre-built system to the one you want with a premium you can accept.

It's going to be difficult to use your Win7 license going pre-built.
post #10 of 18
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Originally Posted by swoon! View Post

You might want to give this post
It's going to be difficult to use your Win7 license going pre-built.

Why will it be difficult?
post #11 of 18
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Originally Posted by new@HTPC View Post

Why will it be difficult?

Usually, OEMs preinstall a version of Windows and configure the system.
post #12 of 18
Thread Starter 
So based on this thread, and other suggestions, I am now looking at:

LYHTPC20 Custom Media Center HTPC Computer

Processor [ CPU ]: Intel Core i5 750 Quad-Core [2.66GHz per Core] - $119.99
Memory [ RAM ] : 8GB DDR3 240-Pin SDRAM Desktop Memory - $179.99
Hard Drive [ HDD ]: 1000GB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive - $39.99
Optical Drive [ DVD ]: Blu-ray Reader & DVD Burner Combo Drive - $79.99
Video Card [ Graphics ]: Radeon HD5770 [Dedicated Ram 1GB D-Sub,DVI,HDMI] - $129.99
Sound Card [ Audio ]: Onboard 6-Channel HD Audio
Network Card [LAN/WLAN]: Onboard 100Mbps
Media Drive: Card Reader
Power Supply: 650W High Efficiency 120mm Fan Power Supply - $24.99
Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium
2nd Hard Drive: None
2nd Optical Drive: None
TV Tuner Card: None
Keyboard & Mouse: None

for just a little over $1000.

Went with the i5 750, instead of the Core 2 Quad Q9400. I decided to take out the TV tuner, and add a copy of Windows even though I have a copy. Took out the second optical drive, just went with one. Took out the second HDD and upgraded to a single 1 TB HDD. Went with 8 GBs of DDR3, instead of the DDR2, because of the CPU.

How does this look? I know the CPU and RAM might be a little overkill, but like I said, I am hopefully not going to have to upgrade for a few years.

Is this hugely over priced for ~$1000?
post #13 of 18
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Originally Posted by new@HTPC View Post

How does this look? I know the CPU and RAM might be a little overkill, but like I said, I am hopefully not going to have to upgrade for a few years.

Is this hugely over priced for ~$1000?

Yes!
Well, not in itself but for your application.
There's no such thing as "future-proof" or "upgrade-proof". It all depends on your application. I still have a machine that I built in 2004 with a single-core P4. It still does what I want, including HD playback (with a newer video card).
Even 4 GB ram is overkill for most people. Unless you do a lot of photo & video editing which needs to move large files during processing, 8 gigs is completely useless. Its just spending money on something you won't be using. A DVD drive is the least expensive component in a build, you can have one more drive to use as a dedicated burner if you do a lot of disc burning.
One suggestion for high speed would be to use a SSD for the OS. This would make a considerable difference in performance.
post #14 of 18
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Originally Posted by hirent View Post

Yes!
Well, not in itself but for your application.
There's no such thing as "future-proof" or "upgrade-proof". It all depends on your application. I still have a machine that I built in 2004 with a single-core P4. It still does what I want, including HD playback (with a newer video card).
Even 4 GB ram is overkill for most people. Unless you do a lot of photo & video editing which needs to move large files during processing, 8 gigs is completely useless. Its just spending money on something you won't be using. A DVD drive is the least expensive component in a build, you can have one more drive to use as a dedicated burner if you do a lot of disc burning.
One suggestion for high speed would be to use a SSD for the OS. This would make a considerable difference in performance.

I could drop down to 4GB of DDR3, and it would bring it to about $960.00...

At that price, is this an alright build? I am getting pretty much everything I need out of it, and it has room to upgrade things as need be in the future.
post #15 of 18
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Originally Posted by new@HTPC View Post

I could drop down to 4GB of DDR3, and it would bring it to about $960.00...

At that price, is this an alright build? I am getting pretty much everything I need out of it, and it has room to upgrade things as need be in the future.

4GB of ram should cost around $80-$100.
Also, there is no mention of the case nor the motherboard.
There's no point in the seller listing onboard audio and network since all boards come with HD audio and Gigabit network nowadays. Your list mentions only 100 Lan, make sure you get 1000 (gigabit).
Get the board model no.
Since you are paying someone to build it, maybe the price is ok for you.
But not for me (or others who build their own).
What kind of warranty and support are they offering?
Also look into a local PC shop for a custom build like this; a local in-town shop would be able to provide better support.
You might also want to look at refurbished PCs from Tigerdirect, Newegg etc.
You can get really great deals for real cheap.
post #16 of 18
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Originally Posted by hirent View Post

4GB of ram should cost around $80-$100.
Also, there is no mention of the case nor the motherboard.
There's no point in the seller listing onboard audio and network since all boards come with HD audio and Gigabit network nowadays. Your list mentions only 100 Lan, make sure you get 1000 (gigabit).
Get the board model no.
Since you are paying someone to build it, maybe the price is ok for you.
But not for me (or others who build their own).
What kind of warranty and support are they offering?
Also look into a local PC shop for a custom build like this; a local in-town shop would be able to provide better support.
You might also want to look at refurbished PCs from Tigerdirect, Newegg etc.
You can get really great deals for real cheap.

I looked all over at the local shops, and for this type of build they are all $300-500 more than what this shop is quoting.

The motherboard is an ECS P55, not sure of actual model number.

The only reason they have the audio listed, is because I copied this from their drop down boxes, and they have other options. I elected not to get a dedicated sound card, for the reasons you mentioned.

Warranty on parts and labor is 3 years, one year of full tech support. I am rather computer savvy, and probably could build this myself, as I use to build PC for fun 8-9 years ago. Granted the landscape has changed a bit. This is my first foray into HTPCs, and I don't feel comfortable building, nor do I really have the time and energy to put into it. I don't mind paying a premium to have it built.

From just pricing out the parts, they would cost me between $800-900, the final cost on the above build is $960.00. I am not sure I could do it much cheaper myself, could I?
post #17 of 18
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Originally Posted by new@HTPC View Post


From just pricing out the parts, they would cost me between $800-900, the final cost on the above build is $960.00. I am not sure I could do it much cheaper myself, could I?

The advantage of building yourself is you can pick quality parts. Do you know what they use for a power supply? Personally I'm not a fan of ECS boards, although their itx h55 looks promising. I would personally pick one of Renethx's builds, and have a local shop put it together as his selections are always top notch. All my local shops charge between $100-$150 if you bring the parts to them. Just grab them at newegg. If you built in the past, you must have common sense and I'm confident you wouldn't have trouble. ...And if you did, you have the forum for assistance. Instead of 1 year tech support, you have lifetime support for free via us.
post #18 of 18
Yes I read your first post. I'm still doing to suggest you build it yourself. There's about 10 components in a computer and they only fit together one way. It's a matter of <20 screws and <10 wires to plug in.
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