Originally Posted by DocuMaker
I must have missed your question, and you must not have read much in the 6500/7000/8000 thread, because I have commented on the differences on several occasions. There is no short answer to your question, but there is a simple one. Here goes:
1) Not all Samsung LED's have the same black levels. You said "high-end". Does this include last year's locally dimmed B8500, or are you only referring to 2010 models? The C6800 and the C8000 have deeper blacks than the entry-level LED's.
2) Not all Samsung PDP's have the same black levels. It seems that for whatever reason the larger panels (58/63) often tend to measure deeper black levels than the smaller ones (42/50). There are also variances among the different model lines.
3) When you want to know which has deeper black levels, you must specify whether or not you are talking about in a totally blacked out room or in a bright sunny room with windows, or somewhere in between? Do you keep the lights on when you watch TV or not? How many lights? Where are they located, and which direction are they positioned?
4) Would you be watching the LED or PDP straight on, or off to the side? The black levels will degrade rather quickly more than 10-15° on the LED in a dark room. In a bright room the blacks should still look inky deep from even further off-axis. Sensitivity to flashlights, clouding, blooming and rising blacks off-axis goes up in a dark room.
You are not going to get the best possible answers to help you if you don't take the time to describe in detail your viewing situation for us.
When I say "high end" I am talking of both 2009 and 2010 models. For 2010, it would be c8000 and some lower grade units, b8500 for 2009, b750 (the one I have), etc.
As for my viewing habits. I do not watch movies except when it gets darker. At that time, I have no lights on, except a bias light behind the tv to heighten the perception of darker blacks. For normal TV viewing, I do both day and night, but more in the evenings/nights. During daytime, my room gets plenty of light (there are two large windows, one behind, and one to the side), but I can use the blinds to cut out the direct light. However, there is still diffuse light in the room. With the blinds on, I would rate the room as a bit bright, but not overly so. Viewing angle is not much of issue right now as I watch from mostly center.
You see, the problem is that I understand there is no perfect TV. Right now, I have the 52b750. I love the picture, but motion artifacts bother me especially some motion smear that happens on certain circumstances, but I do see it several occasions when I watch a movie. Also hockey looks bad. I have got a exchange offer from BB, but I am debating what I should do. I definitely do not want to get another TV and realize it is harder to live with than this one. If the motion smear was not present with b750, I would be fine.The following issues bother me about LEDs
1. Flashlighting / clouding (I know this would bug me as much as the motion smear)
2. I am not confident that I would not have some or the same motion issues with a LED.With plasma the things I am worried about):
2. If the picture is going to have the same sharpness as the high end LCD/LEDs (I have seen the VT series and seems like it will, but the c8000 seemed a bit softer, but I can't be sure since I was not able to play with the settings much)
3. If they will lose all the pop and deep blacks in a not so dim room during daytime.
4. Banding & flicker (I have only read about them, but have not experienced it to know if it will be bothersome).
I am leaning towards a 54vt25 or a c8000 plasma, but I am still quite uncertain. About LEDs if I knew any model that would be solid in terms of motion performance I would not have an issue. I have 2 - 3 weeks by which I need to decide if I want an exchange or just live with the flaw in my b750. I am willing to spend more to get better quality.