*The Official Samsung PNxxC8000 Owner's Discussion Thread!! - Page 65

Yes they are both tied to the colour accuracy. The white balance controls can be thought of as brightness controls for each of the sub pixels individually. So if you increase, say, red brightness then everything on screen will now be tinted towards red.

The colour space adjusts each primary and secondary colour individually. So lets say you have a problem where only your yellows are tinted red, you could fix that by reducing the amount of red in the colour yellow. Now your yellows would be fixed and none of your other colours would be affected.

Also the white balance needs to be set before the colour space is adjusted because white balance will affect the colour space, but not vice versa. For more info check this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...php?p=10632798


Without a meter you couldn't do that to any degree of accuracy but you can try adjusting the colour of Yellow as skin tones are close to that area on the chart. Also there is a Flesh Tone adjustment in the menu which changes the amount of red in the range of colours used for skin tones.


Yes you definitely need a colourimeter to do that. It's pretty much impossible to do by eye although there are a few people who claim to be able to do it.

I used ColourHCFR (freeware) and an Eye One Display 2 colourimeter.

Here is a guide for using that equipment: http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10457

Awesome, thanks!

Sonic,

My wife can do it. She has the visual equivalent of perfect pitch. Show her a color from a paint swatch and the next day she will pick out the right one. It astounds me when she does it.

Larry

Question about price trends:

Any insight on a good time to buy? I haven't been following the price trends because I was waiting all this time for Vizio's 72" that never happened. I know after the holidays are over prices will be down, but what about between now and Thanksgiving? I've found some of the online retailers who have an email only price (without the extras) to be reasonable, and Samsung's 3d starter kit can be picked up from eBay pretty cheap. Any other tips about where to look for affordable 3d glasses? Also, anyone find a physical store that will price match the online stores?

To those who have an Xbox 360 or a PS3 and set it to Game mode, do you see clipping / sync issues that I show in this video?

(watch it in 720P and Full screen, about 29 seconds in).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8RJnJtDWCQ

Looks like the game is breaking vsync when the framerate drops. Unfortunately this is normal for a lot of ps3/360 games. But, if you're only getting it in Game mode and not other picture modes then the TV is at fault.

Hmm. I've never noticed it on my old LCD. Plus I dont know if the framerate is even dropping.

If it's tearing like that in games that you know are vsync'd and don't tear, then something is up with the TV. I was playing Forza 3 for a few hours this afternoon which is 60fps vsync'd and never get any tearing, it's rock solid.

Strange how you say it happens once every 10-15 minutes, that does not sound right because if it was the game then it would be doing it more often.

Perhaps something else can be ruled out before saying this is a TV problem. Cables, for example?

It happens on all PS3 and 360 games. Happened in NHL 11, Halo Reach, and Trials HD. Happened on Flower for PS3 and Uncharted 2. I've tried different HDMI cables, tried running the cables directly into my TV, have also used my 360's component wire directly into the TV and the same thing happens.

Should I contact Samsung before I contact Best Buy?

I've had my PN50C8000 for a couple of weeks now and I just recently noticed a dark spot in the top left corner of the screen. I've tried using the scrolling black to white screen wiper for a couple hours but it didn't make a difference. Has anyone else noticed anything similar on their TV? It's not very noticeable when watching things full screen. I first noticed it while watching a letterbox blu-ray.

I don't think this is burn in since I've been careful of leaving static images on the screen, and I don't see problems anywhere else on the screen. The attached image shows what the spot looks like with a pure black image on the screen. I'm thinking I should contact Samsung as this seems like a screen defect to me.

I wall mounted my my 63" and it is the same. I assume over time it will rest more flush. I had to take mine off the wall because the buzzing was like two times worse and it is already really bad to begin with.

Do you have an unshielded speaker close to the upper left corner? I know it's a reach but reminds me of having a big magnet near an older CRT tube tv. I have no idea if you get the same effect on a plasma.

I have a shielded speaker near the lower left corner but not the upper left. The lower left corner looks fine.

care to elaborate?

Def a defect! But. sorry to be burden of bad news, you wont be able to get a replacement for a while. I've been waiting for about 6 weeks now. But then again you may have better luck since mine is 63" I guess too many ppl are returning these sets for one reason or another. They are out of stock and a back order list for replacements. Mine has banding. Atleast samsung is going to give me a pretty good extended warranty for my wait but I did spend $600+ on the extended at BB. Way I look at it is if my tv goes bad in four yrs I'll get a better 3D tv just because technology will improve by then.

I think he was joking.....if not, that's awesome!

Yeah, I was seeing how much he truly wanted to vent! LOL

I didn't think Larry was joking. It is genuinely difficult to calibrate the grey scale by eye as you have no reference point for colour.

Well considering your eyes adjust to your environment without your control there is no way to get a perfect 65K. If you sit in front of 75K or 55K for a few minutes your eyes will adjust. Also your room lighting changes the way your tv will look. Not to mention there are 3 color to balance and our eyes are more sensitive to some colors.

When I purchased my PNC8000 it was after the bundle included the Blu Ray Disc player...so the only thing I got was the 3D Starter Kit which included Monsters vs. Aliens and the 2 pairs of glasses. This bundle was a tad cheaper because the Blu Ray player wasn't included.

I have a PS3 so I was looking forward to the update that will allow it to play 3D discs...making the fact it didn't come with a 3D Player irrelevant. That being said....

I downloaded the update last night and my PS3 won't even read Monsters vs. Aliens. I then put in the Blu Ray of "Halloween" and it works...I put in "Batman Begins"...it works. Then I put back in the 3D disc....nothing. I was looking forward to this update. Has anyone else tried it?

I have the original PS3...the HDMI cables I started with were hooked up at first. I'm sure they weren't 1.4 or whatever. Then I switched to the ones I bought with my tv that were overly expensive/waste of money/but very high speed in preparation for 3D so I'm confident they were fast enough. I really thought that would solve the problem....but nothing.

Any ideas?

Mine works from the ps3 to the tv using older cables just fine but if I send it to my sc-25 receiver first it's a no go. Make sure you have run the automatic video check in display settings.

Are you using a receiver?

I could have swore I always had automatic on. I'm at work now so I can't look. I have two things hooked up to my tv....my Directv receiver (which I've watched Directv 3D channels with) and my PS3. That's all. I had the download going and had it marked to where the system would shut off after it is downloaded....anyway....wouldn't even read the disc.

Seems like some other people are having similar problems:

http://forum.blu-ray.com/blu-ray-pla...-now-live.html

Have a 58C8000 for 2.5 months now (amazing tv overall).

During the process of wall mounting the tv last weekend, I came across a bizarre hdmi situation. I had obviously unplugged all hdmi, power etc cables, took off stand, mounted tv with cables re-plugged in. I have 2 hdmi in (BD, STB), no avr yet so a simple setup. Once mounted, turned it on, all worked Ok. Was using hdmi input 2(ARC)for STB & hdmi4 for BD. Then I noticed a very light amount of artifacts on the STB input (BD perfect) and thought of switching the cables from their respective sources: BD to input 2, STB on 4 (simple switch, to rule out a bad hdmi cable). Strangely, neither worked. Replugged back into STB in hdmi2(ARC) and BD into 4 and worked! Unplugged and retried the switch and neither worked, again. Am I missing something? As mentioned, I am getting some artifacts (snowing a bit...?) only on my STB input as you can really see it on dark scenes - most likely a bad cable or bad STB. I believe the tv is ok since when I unplug hdmi from STB, artifacts/snow completely disappear thus, I believe, ruling out a bad tv hdmi input.

Anyhow, any advice you could provide is welcome. I know there have been some unexplained hdmi issues, but could not find a similar situation as this.

the update is out today sept 21... make sure u have every thing set up hdmi
and 3d mode on the ps3 i have yet to down load this new update

One thing I found interesting about using Samsung Ultra Thin All Mount is that you can't keep on the ferrite core near the panel.

Mine does the exact same thing, if you have time, when you get it resolved please post your results. A BB geek came by to check this for me, but it didn't do it while he was here, so he blamed my consoles --- witch i don't think it is because it didn't do it with the LED I had previous to this one

Try showing them this video. Personally I've decided to have the set swapped at BB. I'm going there tomorrow. If the next set does it, I am going to return it for a refund.

I don't know if I feel better or worse knowing that you are experiencing the same thing.

On one hand, I'm glad I'm not the only one with the issue, but on the other hand I hope that not ALL units have this issue and people just don't notice. It happens in all games and its pretty obvious so Im not sure how anyone can miss it.