*The Official Samsung PNxxC8000 Owner's Discussion Thread!! - Page 8

Originally Posted by terminaldawn

There there are long pans I swear the screen kind of jerks. But I havent seen anything that appears to be motion blur. Honestly even though I have had the set for almost a week. I have been super busy so have not had a lot of time to really evaluate it as much as I would like. Also I wanted to give a chance for the set to break-in. I just passed over 100 hours use so the set should be ready to go in that regards (I was hoping buzzing would reduce but no dice). I have Avatar on blu-ray so if you let me know a specific scene that you have noticed this blur or whatever I can take a look at it for you tonight.

Originally Posted by ryantiguan

Great! I will play the Avatar blu-ray tonight and give you an exact time to go to where I think I see motion blur...

Originally Posted by Neceo

do you use the cinema mode? or mjc?

Originally Posted by ryantiguan

Movie mode
cinema smooth ON
motion judder OFF

I don't know what time in the movie it is, but basically in the very beginning when the army leader is walking down the aisle and talking to the soldiers and then abruptly turns around, I feel that there is motion blur around his head (he says something about a joo joo bug).

I'll get the exact time tonight so that you guys can try!

Originally Posted by Neceo

when you say motion blur, do you mean pixilation?

Originally Posted by ryantiguan

Okay guys, I'm back at home now and was able to do a few tests with the Avatar blu-ray disc.

Can those of you with PN58C/PN63C/PN50C 8000's do the following:

1) Insert your Avatar disc.
2) Put the TV in BD-WISE or MOVIE mode.
3) Put it on Cinema Smooth Mode (motion judder canceller OFF)

Go to the following time in the disc (during the You're Not In Kansas Anymore chapter):
6:55

You'll see the commander walk down the hall and turn his head around. THAT's where I see the motion blur. I actually had my wife look at this scene and she doesn't call it blur, but rather judder/jumpiness. Can you guys please confirm that you see the same thing?

NEXT:

Please view the same scene with Cinema Smooth mode OFF and Motion Judder Canceller set to STANDARD. During this mode, my wife and I agreed that the same judder/blur wasn't there / nearly as bad!

Can you guys please try this? Is this normal?!

Thanks!

Ryan

Originally Posted by ElectronicTonic

This might work, it worked on my B860. After you check, it might reset your hours too.(no promises, I haven't tried this on my new TV, be careful in the service menu)

* Turn the power off
* Press the {MUTE} {1} {8} {2} {POWER} buttons.

* The Service Menu will be displayed.

* Use the {UP} or {DOWN} buttons to select "PDP OPTION"
* Then press the {ENTER} button to access it.

* The hours used will be one of the items listed.

* To exit, press the {RETURN} button or turn the power off.


NOTE: After exiting, all picture settings will be reset to
default values. So make sure to write down custom
adjustments before accessing the Service Menu.

Originally Posted by CappyDen

That's my point... it's as if Samsung is trying to cover all bases by blaming anything and everything except themselves! The fact that the (buzzing) noise can travel (resonate) through the rear mount and into the wall like a tuning fork, where in theory it could be amplified does makes sense, but Samsung should engineer a way for this NOT to happen! Why then were Kuro's and Pannies buzz free units when wall mounted? I'll tell you why, they found a way around it and Sam couldn't care less!

Originally Posted by CaffeineAddict

Just got an email from ABT. My PN63C8000 has shipped. Maybe I'll get it in time for the world cup.

Originally Posted by creativityrules

I haven't received an email yet... which place were you in line for the pre-orders?

Originally Posted by CaffeineAddict

I don't know what number I was in line. I placed the preorder May 4th. Hopefully, you should be getting your shipping notification soon.

Originally Posted by Topless Stang

That's great! I'm calling today to see if mine will be shipping soon. I'm scheduled to switch from Dish to DirecTV on June 1st so if I get the TV soon i can really be ready for 3D. My new home theater seats will be here in one-two weeks and so will my stand...I may get the TV before they arrive...what an unpleasant surprise!! I don't know though as I was told I'm #23 on the list

Originally Posted by skooba

just chatted online with ABT, CSR said they are still expecting a shipment around mid June.

Originally Posted by CaffeineAddict

Just tracked my shipment online and am expecting delivery 6/3.

Originally Posted by ryantiguan

Okay guys, I'm back at home now and was able to do a few tests with the Avatar blu-ray disc.

Can those of you with PN58C/PN63C/PN50C 8000's do the following:

1) Insert your Avatar disc.
2) Put the TV in BD-WISE or MOVIE mode.
3) Put it on Cinema Smooth Mode (motion judder canceller OFF)

Go to the following time in the disc (during the You're Not In Kansas Anymore chapter):
6:55

You'll see the commander walk down the hall and turn his head around. THAT's where I see the motion blur. I actually had my wife look at this scene and she doesn't call it blur, but rather judder/jumpiness. Can you guys please confirm that you see the same thing?

NEXT:

Please view the same scene with Cinema Smooth mode OFF and Motion Judder Canceller set to STANDARD. During this mode, my wife and I agreed that the same judder/blur wasn't there / nearly as bad!

Can you guys please try this? Is this normal?!

Thanks!

Ryan

Originally Posted by terminaldawn

I tried both scenarios out.

The option with Cinema Smooth on and MJC Off. I didnt notice any blur really. More like the focus was lost on his face as he turned it for a split second. I think that is just inherint to the fact that its running at 24 FPS. I am not knowledgeable in this area so someone please correct me if I am wrong.

WHen I turn MJC on, everything is super smooth and soap opera like. In some ways I kind of like this affect but overall its just too weird because I am not used to this affect.

I wonder if this smooth Soap Opera affect will ever catch on and future movies will have this instead of the 24 FPS?

Originally Posted by creativityrules

I haven't received an email yet... which place were you in line for the pre-orders?

Originally Posted by creativityrules

Mine's shipping today. Woohoo!
Crossing my fingers and toes that the set has no dead pixels or broken screen upon delivery!

Originally Posted by rhinoballz

Everyone, our couch is 9ft from our TV (currently a 58inch plasma). I want to get the 63 inch but worry about it being 'too large' in frame and also the change to expose the pixels/grainness to us during playback. Also, the 58inch price is 1k less than the 63. Is is worth it to get those 5 extra inches?

Originally Posted by CaffeineAddict

My couch is 10 ft from our tv. I currently have a 43" plasma, and it is too small. This is why I'm getting the 63". I think the bigger the better. Of course, I doubt I'll see pixels or grainness 10 ft away. Plus I'm not planning to buy another tv for at least 5 more years, so might as well go for a big one.

Originally Posted by dandaroy

I probably would have given the b8500 a shot if it was still available at BB. Since this is an exchange, I have to get the TV if I choose to at BB.

Regarding the smear, it is independent of settings. I think I am much more knowledgeable than a novice (bit of a audiophile myself ), and I have tried every settings. The artifact happens with any settings on AMP and even off. I have even turned off every processing and I still see it. During motion (sometimes even moderate to slow), the adjacent colors tend to blur together a bit and/or I would see a trail or smear behind the moving image. It happens mostly on dark objects (like people's suit, head with dark hair, etc) against lighter backgrounds mostly brown/gray, etc. However, I have noticed that this smear is more pronounced when the subject is slightly off focus. Like for example, if someone's head is moving against a light brown wall and it is slightly out of focus (typical 24p movie blur), instead of seeing a normal blur at the trailing edge of his/her head, I would see a slight dark trail which is not normal. I have seen the same scene on a Sony LCD and it shows a normal blur and not a trailing effect. Similarly if someone's face is moving sideways and is slightly out of focus, the part of the lighter skin next to their hair looks darker than usual (due to the trailing effect from the darker hair) while the head is in motion and it immediately reverts back to the original lighter color when the head stops moving. Finally, when I watch hockey, I think the white ice background, exacerbates this issue, where I clearly see smearing/streaking of their jersey/helmet colors as they are skating from time to time. I see this mostly during movies because the situation I discussed shows up all the time in scenes. I have had all the electronics changed in my TV except the power supply and also went through two panels and the problem is still there. Therefore, I am convinced that it is a design artifact of this TV. Not sure, if it is a panel artifact or a processing artifact.

Typically I have every processing off, sharpness all the down and movie settings (I calirbrated using S&M disc) and AMP at blur 10 and judder 2 or 3. But like I said, it happens regardless of settings.