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post #5821 of 5875
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Originally Posted by GregLee View Post

I just replaced my pn58c8000 with a Panasonic tc-p60st60. The replacement is cheaper and has a much nicer picture.

I was eyeing up the st60. How does the screen filter compare with ambient light, reflections and daytime viewing?
post #5822 of 5875
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Originally Posted by GregLee View Post

I just replaced my pn58c8000 with a Panasonic tc-p60st60. The replacement is cheaper and has a much nicer picture.

I was eyeing up the st60. How does the screen filter compare with ambient light, reflections and daytime viewing?
About the same. I had/have the two in a room with 5 windows, including 2 behind where I sit, and I can see the reflections dimly, but I don't notice them unless I deliberately focus on the reflections. I also have a bright reading light right beside me, and the reflection of that is much more noticeable (so I usually turn it off for TV watching).
post #5823 of 5875
Terminaldawn, my Credit Card warranty let me take the $$$ and keep the C8000. Certainly flawed (especially while watching NHL playoffs) but keeping the C8000 running a while longer removes the pressure to pick something NOW.

Post-shootout/Cnet reviews, I'm starting to feel the this may not be the best year to buy high-end (VT60, F8500) given the premium pricing. The ST60 may be too much value to pass up provided I can look past the drawbacks, namely:
- No HBO GO (wish Panasonic had MHL ports for a Roku stick)
- Step down on picture processing?? (i watch plenty of imperfect cable)
- No full HD 3D
- Vieracast (not a fan of my Blu-ray player's interface)
- Chrome bezel surround (wondering if there's a way to cover this but also look professional)

I likely won't pull the trigger until after I view all models a few times in a showroom (still haven't seen them all together).
post #5824 of 5875
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Originally Posted by GregLee View Post

About the same. I had/have the two in a room with 5 windows, including 2 behind where I sit, and I can see the reflections dimly, but I don't notice them unless I deliberately focus on the reflections. I also have a bright reading light right beside me, and the reflection of that is much more noticeable (so I usually turn it off for TV watching).

That is good to hear that the st60 can perform the same as the c8000 as far as daytime performance. Did you notice any reduction in sharpness compared to the c8000 or video processing such as mentioned below?

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Originally Posted by opus123 View Post

Terminaldawn, my Credit Card warranty let me take the $$$ and keep the C8000. Certainly flawed (especially while watching NHL playoffs) but keeping the C8000 running a while longer removes the pressure to pick something NOW.

Post-shootout/Cnet reviews, I'm starting to feel the this may not be the best year to buy high-end (VT60, F8500) given the premium pricing. The ST60 may be too much value to pass up provided I can look past the drawbacks, namely:
- No HBO GO (wish Panasonic had MHL ports for a Roku stick)
- Step down on picture processing?? (i watch plenty of imperfect cable)
- No full HD 3D
- Vieracast (not a fan of my Blu-ray player's interface)
- Chrome bezel surround (wondering if there's a way to cover this but also look professional)

I likely won't pull the trigger until after I view all models a few times in a showroom (still haven't seen them all together).

Just curious why you think this isnt the best year to buy. This seems like this year has tons of great options. If you are waiting for something to beat out Kuro, I am starting to think that will NEVER happen until oLED. Every year on here someone is claiming, next year will be the year... that year sadly never comes. now, if anyone beats Kuro it will be samsung since panny has stopped r&d on plasma supposedly.

It seems as though the st60 is a no brainer best buy this year. However when I originally bought my c8000 I had the panny vt25 which unanimously won the shootout that year for PQ and the sammy c8000 in my house. I preferred the Samsung picture in comparison because i felt that Panasonic video processing wasn't as good as the Samsung. So if video processing is still not as good on the panasonic then I am sure I would prefer the picture quality of the Samsung f8500.

Also based on the shootout results it almost seems like the f8500 is the overall best. However there is then the matter of price ($600 more for the Samsung and $800 for vt60).

I am in a predicament where my c8000 seems like its on the verge of failing. So I can either try to offload it to someone local with the existing warranty I still have on it and try to buy a replacement (this seems shady, however its still working fine, only videophiles would notice any issues with current state, i am being pretty picky). Or wait for it to break (if it breaks) and see what the warranty is willing to replace it with... OR just buy something and stick the other panel in the basement or somewhere.
post #5825 of 5875
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Originally Posted by terminaldawn View Post

Did you notice any reduction in sharpness compared to the c8000 or video processing such as mentioned below?
Sometimes the st60 is less sharp. Generally speaking, though, for the programming I watch -- HD satellite, occasionally a BD -- the st60 has a much better picture. For the few BDs I've watched, and for HD videotaped material by satellite, the st60 shows a sharper and more detailed picture than my c8000 ever did. Movie transfers on HD satellite channels tend to be a little fuzzy, but usually no fuzzier than they'd be in a movie theater. Good shadow detail.
post #5826 of 5875
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Originally Posted by terminaldawn View Post


Just curious why you think this isnt the best year to buy. This seems like this year has tons of great options. If you are waiting for something to beat out Kuro, I am starting to think that will NEVER happen until oLED. Every year on here someone is claiming, next year will be the year... that year sadly never comes. now, if anyone beats Kuro it will be samsung since panny has stopped r&d on plasma supposedly.

It seems as though the st60 is a no brainer best buy this year. However when I originally bought my c8000 I had the panny vt25 which unanimously won the shootout that year for PQ and the sammy c8000 in my house. I preferred the Samsung picture in comparison because i felt that Panasonic video processing wasn't as good as the Samsung. So if video processing is still not as good on the panasonic then I am sure I would prefer the picture quality of the Samsung f8500.

Also based on the shootout results it almost seems like the f8500 is the overall best. However there is then the matter of price ($600 more for the Samsung and $800 for vt60).

I am in a predicament where my c8000 seems like its on the verge of failing. So I can either try to offload it to someone local with the existing warranty I still have on it and try to buy a replacement (this seems shady, however its still working fine, only videophiles would notice any issues with current state, i am being pretty picky). Or wait for it to break (if it breaks) and see what the warranty is willing to replace it with... OR just buy something and stick the other panel in the basement or somewhere.

In a word, price. No doubt the VT & F are great TV's but IMO the flaws already identified shouldn't exist at these price points, and seem likely to be addressed in next year's models at more attractive price points. I paid $2500 for my 58C8000 (with free BD player, glasses, and set of Shrek movies). I'd be a willing buyer of the 60F8500 at that price... but no more, primarily because i'm only 2.5 years removed from my original purchase. The "G"8500 may have better blacks, but more likely would fix the floating blacks (at film cadence) and skintone banding. The VT60 is more bothersome at it's price without HBO Go, no MHL port, and what i'm told is input lag on games. I consent these are minor, but I don't want to feel like i'm settling at $3k only 2.5 years removed from spending $2500. The warranty money does helps offset, but would you buy a new car at retail if you couldn't get the color you wanted?

I'm also getting pretty curious about the xbox 720... if it has blu-ray, it might work well paired with the ST60 (provided video processing can match the C8000, and input game lag is manageable). Would limit clutter (replace 360, dump BD C6900, avoid Roku) and provide a VieraCast alternative. If money were no issue, I'd probably go for the F8500 by default.

Separately, I think Samsung and Panasonic are now comparable to Kuro in their own way. Kuro owners have enjoyed the satisfaction of a shrewd purchase, but don't think any would honestly feel shortchanged adopting a top 2013 plasma before OLED is ready.
post #5827 of 5875
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Originally Posted by opus123 View Post

In a word, price. No doubt the VT & F are great TV's but IMO the flaws already identified shouldn't exist at these price points, and seem likely to be addressed in next year's models at more attractive price points. I paid $2500 for my 58C8000 (with free BD player, glasses, and set of Shrek movies). I'd be a willing buyer of the 60F8500 at that price... but no more, primarily because i'm only 2.5 years removed from my original purchase. The "G"8500 may have better blacks, but more likely would fix the floating blacks (at film cadence) and skintone banding. The VT60 is more bothersome at it's price without HBO Go, no MHL port, and what i'm told is input lag on games. I consent these are minor, but I don't want to feel like i'm settling at $3k only 2.5 years removed from spending $2500. The warranty money does helps offset, but would you buy a new car at retail if you couldn't get the color you wanted?

I'm also getting pretty curious about the xbox 720... if it has blu-ray, it might work well paired with the ST60 (provided video processing can match the C8000, and input game lag is manageable). Would limit clutter (replace 360, dump BD C6900, avoid Roku) and provide a VieraCast alternative. If money were no issue, I'd probably go for the F8500 by default.

Separately, I think Samsung and Panasonic are now comparable to Kuro in their own way. Kuro owners have enjoyed the satisfaction of a shrewd purchase, but don't think any would honestly feel shortchanged adopting a top 2013 plasma before OLED is ready.

If you are in US you can get f8500 for less than 2.5k. If you must buy local. Find a local retailer that will match online. I have got best buy to do this before after reasoning with manager. Just tell them you prefer to buy local but you are not willing to compromise on price and be willing to walk. i also ALWAYS buy extended warranties on TVs. So mentioning you will buy warranty will typically get you the price you can find online and the peace of mind you are covered by a local retailer.

Anyways. I haven't been looking into all the issues on the other TVs vt60, st60 and f8500. What is this about skin tone banding? For me the film cadence inst a big deal. I could really care less about 24p since I am so used to 4 3 pulldown and watching movies that way my whole life.

So if I get this right the issues are as follows?
F8500 - floating blacks and skin banding
st60 - lack of hbo go and lag
vt60 - lack of hbo go

HBO Go is a huge Dangle Tease. I cant stand the fact they dont sell it without cable and also its not on every streaming device (ps3, apple tv, etc..). I am a cord cutter, so not getting HBO shows easily really frustrates me, but damn do I love their content.

BTW I am sure I am not stating anything you don't know, but Rokus are so small and cheap, what would be the big deal about getting one and hiding it away for HBO Go?

Also I would be shocked if Xbox will have bluray. They want people to buy from their marketplace. I am betting they will have there own proprietary format for discs. However I guess we will know for sure 5/21.
post #5828 of 5875
I need a little more time, but your pricing advice is useful food for thought. My issues are more than you listed for the 2013 models, but I really need to see them first hand a bit longer before i determine what really matters. The 'flesh tone banding' was something i heard mentioned in the shootout, so I've no firsthand reference yet. I'm an HBO subscriber, and been incredibly impressed by the improvement in video quality over the past 6 months. Regarding Roku, I'm done with frankensteining numerous devices together where more elegant integration is available (another power cord, another 'box' to hide, etc)... heck, sometimes i feel i might chuck my TiVo because of their ridiculous external wifi adapter. I'm speculating on xbox, but it would seem spiteful not to include blu-ray if MS truly wants it to be the central TV/entertainment device. I use my bedroom BR player for streaming MUCH more than playing discs, so i don't think BR functionality undermines their business model.

A bit off-topic, but i'm guessing a 2nd generation Kinect will outperform and remove the need for any of the current built-in tv cameras.
post #5829 of 5875
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Originally Posted by opus123 View Post

I need a little more time, but your pricing advice is useful food for thought. My issues are more than you listed for the 2013 models, but I really need to see them first hand a bit longer before i determine what really matters. The 'flesh tone banding' was something i heard mentioned in the shootout, so I've no firsthand reference yet. I'm an HBO subscriber, and been incredibly impressed by the improvement in video quality over the past 6 months. Regarding Roku, I'm done with frankensteining numerous devices together where more elegant integration is available (another power cord, another 'box' to hide, etc)... heck, sometimes i feel i might chuck my TiVo because of their ridiculous external wifi adapter. I'm speculating on xbox, but it would seem spiteful not to include blu-ray if MS truly wants it to be the central TV/entertainment device. I use my bedroom BR player for streaming MUCH more than playing discs, so i don't think BR functionality undermines their business model.

A bit off-topic, but i'm guessing a 2nd generation Kinect will outperform and remove the need for any of the current built-in tv cameras.

I am suprised you tolerate Tivo due to needing the Switch Digital Video Tuning adapter as well. I have a TiVo and when I had cable I had to have the tuning adapter in order to get many of the channels. This was one of the many reasons I got rid of cable.

I hear you about all the different devices etc... It would be nice to have just one device that did everything. However I need 4 different devices to do everything i need. PS3 for Amazon and Bluray, AppleTV for premium TV shows (Im invested in the iTunes Market place, TiVo for OTA TV and a HTPC to play my ripped BluRay Collection. Technically I could do all of this with my HTPC but even XBMC doesnt bundle all of this together nices, especially when considering the Wife Adoption Factor.
post #5830 of 5875
My TiVo gets all of my cable channels without a tuning adapter, but yes it would be a deal-breaker for me if one were needed. Plan on some sort of XBMC or PLEX set-up in the next year or so, which is another reason I favor more consolidation of the items i currently employ.
post #5831 of 5875
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Originally Posted by JCUMV View Post

So the tech came out on Friday. He took a look at the set and said, "yep, pink banding issue, you need a new panel.". He made a call, ordered one, handed me a receipt and said they would be calling in 5-7 days when the panel came in.

He said my calibration setting would stay the same as they are on the mother board. I realize the setting are for my current panel, but I would have to think those are better than nothing.

The tech wasnt even at my house 10 mins and he was gone. I'll keep you guys posted.

So the tech came out on Friday and replaced the panel. Amazing how good the picture looks on the new one. The pink banding had really taken over half the screen. Tech says it's 50/50 that the new one (probably a refurb) holds up. At least I have 18 months left on the extended warranty. I'll keep you guys posted.
post #5832 of 5875
Interesting twist that might help some stuck with the "pink banding" issue.

If you live in the province of Quebec, in Canada, it is the LAW that a broken plasma should be replaced after only a few years of use, EVEN IF you have no extended warranty. It is called the "legal warranty", under the Consumer Protection Act. Article 38 states that: "Goods forming the object of a contract must be durable in normal use for a reasonable length of time, having regard to their price, the terms of the contract and the conditions of their use." (Consumer Protection Act: http://www.opc.gouv.qc.ca/en/opc/loi-reglement/laws-regulations/)

Samsung Canada consumer experience seems worse than the one in the US and they won't budge. I have planned a meeting with the manager of where I bought my TV next week. Hope it will go well.
post #5833 of 5875
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Originally Posted by Muthafodder View Post

Well ... the pink is back ... after a panel replacement less than 6 months ago ... the damn pink band is back ... sigh.

Annoyed.

Did the action of Samsung replacing the panel extend the warranty on the new panel?

What should I do now?

Well, finally got around to contacting both Samsung and the retailer I purchased the television from.
I also uploaded a new video of the banding issue:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg5GbzadiQQ

Why hasn't there been a class action for this yet?
post #5834 of 5875
I've been blessed that my PN63C7000 has not developed the pink banding. I've had it since 2010 and it has about 9000 hrs on it. I'm curious how many users have not had problems and if I will inevitably develop the "pink"?
post #5835 of 5875
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Originally Posted by Muthafodder View Post

Well, finally got around to contacting both Samsung and the retailer I purchased the television from.
I also uploaded a new video of the banding issue:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg5GbzadiQQ

Why hasn't there been a class action for this yet?
I've been wondering why there has not been a class action lawsuit as well! I would jump on that bandwagon faster than you can say red rash! I'm not sure anyone really knows how to, or what process to go through...
post #5836 of 5875
Well they can no longer state that they're "unaware" of the problem as someone found a link of an officially released Samsung Service Bulletin dated May 28th 2013. Maybe a class action has been filed...somewhere.

www.encompassparts.com/newsletter_docs/pink_banding_July2013.pdf
They even labeled it as "pink banding"

If you've not signed the petition in my signature, please do so.
post #5837 of 5875
I purchased my PN63C8000 in August 2010 also. No pink banding.
post #5838 of 5875
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Originally Posted by Raddle View Post

I purchased my PN63C8000 in August 2010 also. No pink banding.
Just out of curiosity, did you adjust the picture settings at all after you purchased it? If so, what did you use. Also, how frequent do you use the television. ThAnks!
post #5839 of 5875
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Originally Posted by walke108 View Post

Just out of curiosity, did you adjust the picture settings at all after you purchased it? If so, what did you use. Also, how frequent do you use the television. ThAnks!

Raddle and I seem to be the minority. No Pink for me like a well done steak. I used D-Nice settings from the beginning so I never ran it in torch mode. I have about 9000 hrs on mine. Very curious to what the "pink" percentage is.
post #5840 of 5875
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Originally Posted by wal-dog View Post

Raddle and I seem to be the minority. No Pink for me like a well done steak. I used D-Nice settings from the beginning so I never ran it in torch mode. I have about 9000 hrs on mine. Very curious to what the "pink" percentage is.
I can't remember what DNice's settings were. I went with the Cnet ones, never did torch mode either and have had the pink banding on two panels (one was replaced and currently have pink banding).
post #5841 of 5875
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Originally Posted by Muthafodder View Post

Well, finally got around to contacting both Samsung and the retailer I purchased the television from.
I also uploaded a new video of the banding issue:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg5GbzadiQQ

Why hasn't there been a class action for this yet?

Any response from Samsung or the retailer? Did the posted repair document give you any leverage?
post #5842 of 5875
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Originally Posted by walke108 View Post

Just out of curiosity, did you adjust the picture settings at all after you purchased it? If so, what did you use. Also, how frequent do you use the television. ThAnks!

I ran break-in slides then used mantisboxer's settings. My cell light is set to 16 in CAL-NIGHT mode. I use Standard mode if I watch something during daylight. I have a lot of natural light in my room.

Many say the break-in slides are unnecessary but I figured, there's nothing to lose in running them.
post #5843 of 5875
I just had my PN63C8000 sent in for service. I got it ~2 years ago with a 5 year extended warranty from PC Richards.
I had purple flickering / banding on white and near-white scenes as well as horizontal banding/ghosting.
The PC Richards service guys took one look at it and said "bad panel," wrapped the TV up and took it out the door. It was so fast, it felt more like a heist than a service call.

I called today, and apparently they have ordered a new panel for the TV. Under the terms of the warranty, I have to accept repair until they cannot repair it.

Has anyone had their panel replaced recently? are these issues any better?
post #5844 of 5875

I found the 2009 Samsung plasmas to be plenty sharp, but then I am not up to speed on the 2010s yet.EoRNcT It was the 2009 Pannys that seemed a bit softer to me. I suppose a plasma might not look as sharp if you are very close to the screen, but from regular viewing distances this should not be an issue. Don't forget that size is a factor. The larger the size of the display the less sharp it will appear given the same distance, because the pixels will be larger. After all, 1080p = 2.1 million pixels (6 million sub-pixels), and if you must squeeze 2 million pixels in a 20 inch puter moniter, the pixels and the spacing between pixels will have to be a lot smaller than on say a 58 inch display. So 50 inch plasmas tend to look sharper than say a 65 inch plasma from the same distance. Artifacts in the signal are more easily noticeable the larger the screen as well. So just make sure when you are evaluating the sharpness of displays, that you are comparing similar sized models, to make it fair. Don't compare a 63 inch C8000 to a 50 inch VT25 and expect the same sharpness, or vice versa.

post #5845 of 5875

Hi,

I have a PN58C8000 (as well as a PN50C8000) and the 58" TV just stopped working a few minutes ago.  I was watching and the picture just went blank (still had sound coming out the AV receiver).  I tried turning it on/off and it seems like it is not turning on properly.  The startup sound comes on though no picture and the power light sometimes stays red (meaning it's off).

 

Strangely, a few minutes after it stopped working, my cable box restarted unexpectedly, too.

 

Any ideas on how to resolve this?  Is it a simply reset perhaps?

 

I bought this from Crutchfield around the spring of 2010 - don't believe I have an warranty left, though not sure.

 

Thanks in advance!


Edited by jsfitz22 - 10/8/13 at 5:23am
post #5846 of 5875

I had a guy come and check it yesterday (called Crutchfield and Samsung and it needed to be looked at) - he tested and said it's the logic board.  It will be about $370 all in to fix ($65 to diagnose, $100 for part, $195 for labor to replace).  I just looked at new TV options - to get a new TV of this caliber is still so expensive so think I'll fix this one.  A bit worried, though, about other issues in the future - have read about purple lines problems, etc...thoughts?

post #5847 of 5875
will they guarantee the repair will fix the problem? If so I would say its worth it to just have it fixed.
post #5848 of 5875

I have had the pink banding for over a year now and just lived with it but it has gotten way too bad.  I just called Samsung and they are going to cover the parts but I have to pay for the labor (whatever that may be).  Either way, I want to sign this petition to you have mentioned.  Can you respond with the link to it?  Thanks

post #5849 of 5875
So I'm confused as to how the optical out works. I have my Xbox One connected to my receivers hdmi in and I have my receivers hdmi out connected to my tvs hdmi in (arc). If I output dolby digital through optical on the tv to my Astro headset will it output 5.1 sound or only stereo? The reason I ask is because Xbox One doesn't output Dolby Digital through it's own optical port, only DTS. mad.gif
post #5850 of 5875
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Originally Posted by wrathloki View Post

So I'm confused as to how the optical out works. I have my Xbox One connected to my receivers hdmi in and I have my receivers hdmi out connected to my tvs hdmi in (arc). If I output dolby digital through optical on the tv to my Astro headset will it output 5.1 sound or only stereo? The reason I ask is because Xbox One doesn't output Dolby Digital through it's own optical port, only DTS. mad.gif
I thought the only way the tv output Dolby digital was through the arc function. If i remember correctly it doesn't output Dolby through the optical out. Is your headset connected to the optical? I am a little confused?
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