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post #1081 of 1447
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+1!. When I saw Margaret's reaction to Owen's body and Nucky's reaction to Margaret's shock and dismay, I was convinced to a moral certainty that Nucky knew that Margaret and Owen had been engaged in hanky-panky.

I really don't see that at all...so just because she was hysterical and upset that automatically means that she was having an affair with him?...I guess when I go to a funeral if I see a female getting too emotional then that automatically means that she was having an affair with the deceased biggrin.gif

if anything the only way that works is if Nucky had already suspected something beforehand and seeing Marge's reaction only served to confirm his suspicions
post #1082 of 1447
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I really don't see that at all...so just because she was hysterical and upset that automatically means that she was having an affair with him?...I guess when I go to a funeral if I see a female getting too emotional then that automatically means that she was having an affair with the deceased biggrin.gif

if anything the only way that works is if Nucky had already suspected something beforehand and seeing Marge's reaction only served to confirm his suspicions

Not necessarily. It's all a matter of degrees and what is considered reasonable behavior under the circumstances. Margaret's hysterics were way beyond that of someone viewing the dead body of her husband's employee, albeit shocking and grisly. Her reaction was much deeper and more personal and that's what Nucky noticed. It didn't fit his pre-conceived notion of what Margaret and Owen's relationship was. It would only make sense if there had been something going on.
post #1083 of 1447
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I really don't see that at all...so just because she was hysterical and upset that automatically means that she was having an affair with him?...I guess when I go to a funeral if I see a female getting too emotional then that automatically means that she was having an affair with the deceased biggrin.gif
if anything the only way that works is if Nucky had already suspected something beforehand and seeing Marge's reaction only served to confirm his suspicions

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Not necessarily. It's all a matter of degrees and what is considered reasonable behavior under the circumstances. Margaret's hysterics were way beyond that of someone viewing the dead body of her husband's employee, albeit shocking and grisly. Her reaction was much deeper and more personal and that's what Nucky noticed. It didn't fit his pre-conceived notion of what Margaret and Owen's relationship was. It would only make sense if there had been something going on.

Although as noted in my last post, I tend to agree with Bruce, I think you both have a point, which goes to show how subtle and compelling Boardwalk Empire is.smile.gif
post #1084 of 1447
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OT: I'm hoping to see a new trailer for Game of Thrones: Season 3 (with some actual footage) during the Boardwalk Empire finale next week...usually HBO debuts big trailers during season premieres/finales of their popular shows (True Blood, GoT, Boardwalk Empire etc)

yes!...HBO showed an extended Behind the Scenes feature on Season 3 of GoT with actual footage! smile.gifsmile.gif ...perfect appetizer for what is sure to be an exciting finale of Boardwalk Empire
post #1085 of 1447
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

Can't wait for the surprise twist miracle in the last episode.

Wow it was literally a twist to the gut-surprise Gyp taken out by his right-hand man.

Nucky has set up Rothstein and squared himself with Masseria...so crafty.

Chalky and Al get to do some fighting and killing....

Got to wonder what Lucky and Meyer will do next...

Richard Harrow....what a tactical feat..legendary.

Bravo....Excellent end to a great season.
post #1086 of 1447
I enjoyed the outcome of Nucky's play. Clever stuff. I did expect Gyp to get killed by his commander as soon as Gyp put away his gun. Payback for the shovel.

One thing that did confuse me. Did we see Richard assembling his armory last week or was it in a preview for this week? I thought I rembered seeing it in the preview but the scene wasn't in tonight's episode.

As good as Richard is with a gun, tonight only made me wonder just how good he was when he had two eyes. biggrin.gif
post #1087 of 1447
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Wow it was literally a twist to the gut-surprise Gyp taken out by his right-hand man.
Nucky has set up Rothstein and squared himself with Masseria...so crafty.
Chalky and Al get to do some fighting and killing....
Got to wonder what Lucky and Meyer will do next...
Richard Harrow....what a tactical feat..legendary.
Bravo....Excellent end to a great season.

Amen! Richard continues to fascinate me. His bloody faced scene with Julia and her father broke my heart. Poor Richard! As predictable as it was,I really enjoyed seeing Richard take out the thugs who were occupying Gillian's house and rescue Jimmy's son from that environment.

Nucky has really and truly learned that you can't be half a gangster. After first conning Rothstein into having Masseria end his alliance with gyp in return for Nucky turning over his interest in the Overholt distillery, Nucky neatly double crossed Rothstein by notifying the feds of the illegal liquor operation at the distillery. Then, Nucky co-opted Gyp's principal lieutenant into killing Gyp. Clearly, it's as big a mistake to cross Nucky as it is to cross Richard.smile.gif

I continue to rather like Margaret. She has made the best of a bad hand. I was particularly moved by her trip to the abortionist. That couldn't have been easy for a 1920s Irish Catholic lady but what else was she to do?

As a result of being drugged by Gyp and seeing the carnage in her house,, Gillian seemed to have a psychotic break but then seemed to pull herself together. I'm anxious to see how all that plays out.

This season's Boardwalk Empire was a great, great season of television. Even three years in, the show got better all the time.
post #1088 of 1447
This episode did reinforce my belief that Van Alden is a superfluous distraction now. His actions had no bearing on anything of consequence this season.
post #1089 of 1447
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This episode did reinforce my belief that Van Alden is a superfluous distraction now. His actions had no bearing on anything of consequence this season.
Which is a shame as Michael Shannon is a terrific actor, if he is still part of the cast next series I do hope they use him in a much larger role, I thought he was outstanding in Take Shelter. Shea Whigham(Eli Thompson) was also in the film.
post #1090 of 1447
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Which is a shame as Michael Shannon is a terrific actor, if he is still part of the cast next series I do hope they use him in a much larger role, I thought he was outstanding in Take Shelter. Shea Whigham(Eli Thompson) was also in the film.

he was very good in that and Im looking forward to seeing him in "The Iceman" (or Iceman) I forget the actual name of the movie.....We should know by now that, sometimes actions taken by characters reach beyond the current season, Van Alden is in Chicago, which only had a minor role this season...I have a feeling whent he show comes back he will have a bigger role to play in how things go down in Chitown ;-)

Great ending to the season I think they wrapped up things up very nicely on multiple fronts....Nucky will get back the distillery once Rothstien is taken care of since he has a promise to keep....Rosetti meets a fitting end just as he menally has full on break...Margaret for all that people hate her had some very good scenes this week IMO....What can I say about Richard hes a bad man! He honored jimmy by taking his son out of that situation only to walk away becasue he knew that it wouldnt be safe around him......
post #1091 of 1447
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Wow it was literally a twist to the gut-surprise Gyp taken out by his right-hand man.
I expected Gyp would get a shot in the back, rather than die by the blade.

Nucky has set up Rothstein and squared himself with Masseria...so crafty.[/quote]I am not sure exactly how Masseria will forgive Nuck for the loss of the dozens of muscle he lost on the highway.

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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

Payback for the shovel.
I had the impression he was ordered to from Masseria/Nucky.

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As good as Richard is with a gun, tonight only made me wonder just how good he was when he had two eyes. biggrin.gif
How could he be so accurate shooting a pistola with his LEFT hand when he is blind in the RIGHT eye?confused.gif
post #1092 of 1447
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

I continue to rather like Margaret.
I can't believe the showrunners decided to have Nuck forgive her and Eli.
It's NOT credible....by a long shot.

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As a result of being drugged by Gyp and seeing the carnage in her house,, Gillian seemed to have a psychotic break but then seemed to pull herself together. I'm anxious to see how all that plays out.
After the injection, I thought she was dead.
Thank God Miss Gillian will be back next year.wink.gif

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This season's Boardwalk Empire was a great, great season of television. Even three years in, the show got better all the time.
+10000000

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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

This episode did reinforce my belief that Van Alden is a superfluous distraction now. His actions had no bearing on anything of consequence this season.
Hopefully, next season he will become a full-time gangster.
post #1093 of 1447
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I had the impression he was ordered to from Masseria/Nucky.

Clearly that was the case, but I don't think it took much convincing on his part to kill Gyp.
post #1094 of 1447
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

I can't believe the showrunners decided to have Nuck forgive her
It's NOT credible....by a long shot.

Well after all, it's only words! No guarantee that Nucky wouldn't return to his old ways, which I guess is what Margaret realizes. Of course, the writers can still start next season with Margaret back at "home" with Nucky - we don't know how much time will have elapsed between this season's ender and the beginning of next season.
post #1095 of 1447
IMHO it is very important to remember that Nucky really loves his step-children. I think that fact has great weight when he considers his actions with regard to Margaret.

Nucky always thinks about the angles. That's why he is so good at what he does.
post #1096 of 1447
Boardwalk Empire Season 3 Post Mortem

Terence Winter: Interview

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/boardwalk-empire-postmortem-kind-gangster-nucky-now-030000879.html

Ties up loose ends/answers lingering questions....
post #1097 of 1447
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

Boardwalk Empire Season 3 Post Mortem
Terence Winter: Interview
http://omg.yahoo.com/news/boardwalk-empire-postmortem-kind-gangster-nucky-now-030000879.html
Ties up loose ends/answers lingering questions....

What in the world?
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Rosetti escaped his brothel headquarters without being killed by Nucky's assassin Richard Harrow

Harrow used to work for Nucky via Jimmy but he hasn't since - is this a mistake in writing or did I miss a major sub-story that Harrow somehow was contacted by Nucky. I WANTED Harrow to become Owen's replacement but I didn't see that at all in the episode. I was sort of questioning why/how Harrow ended up there just as Masseria pulled his men out - was that orchestrated or coincidence? Did Harrow go simply to rescue the boy or did he have a major part in the plan. For Eli and Nucky to arrive on scene and find the bodies and be shocked led me to believe Harrow was acting alone. Winter himself refers to Harrow's actions as a "commando mission" so I see it as a solo effort out of love for the boy and that's it. Video Interview with Winter HBO Interview

As for the episode's cliff hanger, I guess since we see Gyp taken out the biggest hanging plot point aside from Nucky himself is Gillian making it out alive and how Harrow's relationship with Julian will proceed.
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Harrow coming back and delivering the kid to the house. Unfortunately, even though his relationship with Julia is going well, generally when you show up covered in blood in the middle of the night with no explanation it's going to take a little while to rehabilitate that relationship. Without saying where that all goes, that's as far as we can take Harrow and Julia at that moment.

The advice given by Julia's father to Harrow leads me to believe there is a future there still for them and the boy's absolute trust in Harrow demonstrated by his obeying the instructions to close his eyes makes me think the bond is far too strong to just walk away which was my fear at first glance of that scene. How in the hell the boy stays separated from Gillian since she's still alive should be a good tale. I really wish that heroin had just done her in.

I love the major table turn on Rothstein too - not only the distillery but the taking out of Masseria's men since Nucky made no deal with Masseria directly. Like Eli said, "all the angles".

Overall a great episode and one of the less frustrating season finales for me in a long time. Would have liked an update on Eddie though - he was a major part of the last episode but the interview above indicates he's going to make a full recover. smile.gif
post #1098 of 1447
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I love the major table turn on Rothstein too - not only the distillery but the taking out of Masseria's men since Nucky made no deal with Masseria directly. Like Eli said, "all the angles".

Rothstein was warned by Nucky last week that Nucky wouldn't forget his actions, so I expected some kind of payback. It was very cleverly done though and I didn't see the flip coming.
post #1099 of 1447
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

Boardwalk Empire Season 3 Post Mortem
Terence Winter: Interview
http://omg.yahoo.com/news/boardwalk-empire-postmortem-kind-gangster-nucky-now-030000879.html
Ties up loose ends/answers lingering questions....

Great link....thanks. Looks like Van Alden will may get a bigger role next season.
post #1100 of 1447
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I was sort of questioning why/how Harrow ended up there just as Masseria pulled his men out - was that orchestrated or coincidence? Did Harrow go simply to rescue the boy or did he have a major part in the plan. For Eli and Nucky to arrive on scene and find the bodies and be shocked led me to believe Harrow was acting alone. Winter himself refers to Harrow's actions as a "commando mission" so I see it as a solo effort out of love for the boy and that's it.

Harrow lived there, correct? So he was there all along.

There was no indication that it was anything other than him acting alone.
post #1101 of 1447
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Harrow lived there, correct? So he was there all along.
There was no indication that it was anything other than him acting alone.

No he was kicked out of the house by Gillian last week.
post #1102 of 1447
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Originally Posted by bruce73 View Post

Not necessarily. It's all a matter of degrees and what is considered reasonable behavior under the circumstances. Margaret's hysterics were way beyond that of someone viewing the dead body of her husband's employee, albeit shocking and grisly. Her reaction was much deeper and more personal and that's what Nucky noticed. It didn't fit his pre-conceived notion of what Margaret and Owen's relationship was. It would only make sense if there had been something going on.

Exactly. Gore and violence is much more common/accepted/visible today, but in the 1920s, seeing Owen in that state--even for someone as educated as Margaret--would be a huge emotional shock. And for something that horrific, the natural reaction would be to shriek and run AWAY from the ghastly sight. Instead, she becomes hysterical and goes TOWARDS Owen and stays by his side.
post #1103 of 1447
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Hopefully, next season he [Van Alden] will become a full-time gangster.

Yep, Van Alden needs to learn what Nucky has already learned well, you can't be half a gangster.
post #1104 of 1447
Great episode, need to watch it again tonight. Nucky's words to Eli about not letting anyone near us was telling as was Eli's reaction....Tim "Salami" Van Patten did a masterful Directing job...Brilliant...
post #1105 of 1447
overall great episode and provided good season closure.

but... i can't see the double-cross with nuck, mellon, rothstein, and the feds. why would mellon turn the authorities on his own interests in overholt? to do nucky a favor? don't see that as a possibility, being they hardly know each other. maybe i'm missing something here...
post #1106 of 1447
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Originally Posted by eddie_d_lopez View Post

overall great episode and provided good season closure.
but... i can't see the double-cross with nuck, mellon, rothstein, and the feds. why would mellon turn the authorities on his own interests in overholt? to do nucky a favor? don't see that as a possibility, being they hardly know each other. maybe i'm missing something here...

Is there any reason the feds couldn't take out Rothstein and then Nucky picks up later with the original plan? Rothstein was a much larger player than Nuck in the grand scheme of things in the New York socialites and after his game fixing of the world series and his other major gambling goofs, maybe Mellon just wanted him out of the picture or to make himself look good as Secretary of the Treasury by taking down a major criminal? While he was not fond of the Volstead Act, he was a cabinet official and probably saw the chance to get a meddling Rothstein out of the way.

That or Nucky is abandoning the plan altogether due to the 99% and Mellon simply can't chance the new dynamic with Rothstein involved. Mission aborted?
post #1107 of 1447
If I remember correctly Mellon was an invisible partner. His agreement was with Nucky based on a business proposition that involved cooking the books while keeping his hands clean.

Now he finds that he has been linked to known gangsters he has no deal or understanding with, so by eliminating them he gives control back to Nucky and any secret dealings Mellon has with Nucky remain secret.
post #1108 of 1447
True, Clay Frick and Andrew Mellon were silent but major partners in the Overholt Distillery.
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By 1890, the Overholt Distillery was passing out of the immediate control of the Overholt Family, and by this is meant the direct descendants of Abraham Overholt. Henry Clay Frick had come into an interest by inheritance and by this time, being a capitalist, he had the means to acquire full control. He knew the business and its worth. He had clerked there and was familiar with every detail. [By the year 1881, Henry Clay Frick was the sole owner of A. Overholt & Sons at the Broad Ford site -- the distillery, property, name, brands, trademarks, tools and machinery -- literally, lock, stock and barrel(s). In 1887, he sold one-third interest to Andrew W. Mellon, and later, there were others who were partners and owners.
post #1109 of 1447
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

If I remember correctly Mellon was an invisible partner. His agreement was with Nucky based on a business proposition that involved cooking the books while keeping his hands clean.
Now he finds that he has been linked to known gangsters he has no deal or understanding with, so by eliminating them he gives control back to Nucky and any secret dealings Mellon has with Nucky remain secret.
Most likely explanation, but I gotta wonder how it was Mellon knew about what Rothstein did so QUICKLY?
Someone had to have told him.
I guess Nuck most have....
post #1110 of 1447
this whole mellon affair comes across to me as a bit of a stretch. although i can *tentatively* buy visionon's logic/explanation of events.
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