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post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
After seeing this article some studio and cable executives think consumers are willing to pay $20-30 for PPV:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...968531140.html
post #2 of 21
I think the window is too long.

I would pay $20 for a movie in the theater 10 days. Still less than going to the theater and would be great for kids films, etc.
post #3 of 21
Survival of the Dead isn't out in theaters until 5/28.
http://www.magnetreleasing.com/survivalofthedead/

Right now on Verizon FiOS On Demand it is $10.99.

Of course it isn't released by one of the big 6 studios.

Why can Magnet charge $10.99 before the movie even hits theaters but WB wants $20-30 after the movie hits theaters.
post #4 of 21
I'd go for $20, ......if it was 1080P, 5.1 audio, and within 2 weeks of the theater release.
post #5 of 21
Magnet is part of Magnolia Films which is Mark Cuban's studio. The price is probably high because it isn't in theaters yet. And I'm not sure it will play anything other than art house theaters. Since many of those kinds of theaters seem to be disappearing starting a couple years ago IFC and few other distributors started making them available VOD. And yes the prices were often around $10 but if you are film buff that was often less than the cost of driving several miles to a art house (if you even have one in your area), snacks, etc. Plus you get a pause button with VOD.

I have been renting some of the Tribeca winners on Vudu but I think there $7.99 was the most I paid. Sometimes these films don't even make it to the Cinearts in my area.
post #6 of 21
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Originally Posted by Brian Conrad View Post

Magnet is part of Magnolia Films which is Mark Cuban's studio. The price is probably high because it isn't in theaters yet. And I'm not sure it will play anything other than art house theaters. Since many of those kinds of theaters seem to be disappearing starting a couple years ago IFC and few other distributors started making them available VOD. And yes the prices were often around $10 but if you are film buff that was often less than the cost of driving several miles to a art house (if you even have one in your area), snacks, etc. Plus you get a pause button with VOD.

I have been renting some of the Tribeca winners on Vudu but I think there $7.99 was the most I paid. Sometimes these films don't even make it to the Cinearts in my area.

VOD is very important to the indie market:


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VOD set to help indie scene

Yet for a growing number of indie films, VOD has become a crucial revenue source, accounting for as much as 60% of revs for some movies and returning seven-figure checks for the highest-profile indies.

"VOD does make up for some of the DVD sell-through decline for smaller indie movies," says Oscilloscope's David Fenkel, who sent "Wendy and Lucy" out on VOD in May via the company's deal with Warner Bros. Digital. But he's also quick to note that sell-through for some indie titles was never brisk previously.

One of the breakout stars is Magnolia Pictures' "Two Lovers," which debuted in theaters and on VOD simultaneously. The film is on track to gross well into seven figures, says Magnolia president Eamonn Bowles.

Unlike the theatrical and DVD business, where revenue estimates are touted in a matter of hours after a film's release, VOD sales figures are still guarded like state secrets. Often, even the distrib doesn't know the numbers until several months after releases, when the payments start rolling in.

Debuting a film on VOD can potentially put it in more than 50 million living rooms where viewers can watch not just through Comcast and other cable and satellite outlets, but through iPods and Xbox 360 game consoles.

VOD has become a new source of income for virtually no additional cost. There are no theatrical prints to deliver or discs to press. And it comes with free advertising, thanks to the trailers cable operators run to promo available VOD titles.

VOD providers, eager to lure customers with content they can't get in many other places, heavily promote VOD debuts through TV ads and callouts on the main VOD channel.

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Key to broad VOD distribution, and bigger revenues, is timing the VOD rollout with or before the DVD release. Films released day and date with DVD tend to sell 50% better on VOD than films released afterward, says David Asch, executive VP of VOD distributor In Demand. They also generate higher profits because companies can charge more -- Magnolia charges $9.99 and up, IFC $7.99 -- both premiums over the typical $3.99 for VOD films released in the DVD window. "It's a significant source of revenue. Probably more significant are the economics of it," says Sehring.

http://www.gravitasventures.com/news...he_indie_scene
post #7 of 21
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Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post

Survival of the Dead isn't out in theaters until 5/28.
http://www.magnetreleasing.com/survivalofthedead/

Right now on Verizon FiOS On Demand it is $10.99.

Of course it isn't released by one of the big 6 studios.

Why can Magnet charge $10.99 before the movie even hits theaters but WB wants $20-30 after the movie hits theaters.

I can record it for no additional cost this week on HDNet.
post #8 of 21
I would also wonder if once the film is in the Romero film is in theaters if it will drop in price VOD. I'm sure it really will once it is out on DVD and BD. I'm a fan of his films and he does some wonderful commentaries on the disc releases. I think this is the final chapter he has been wanting to make for years.
post #9 of 21
Both Survival of the Dead and Ondine (with Colin Farrel) are available on Zune Marketplace (1080p and 5.1) for $15. Neither hit theaters until late May/early June and have been available on Zune for a few weeks.

I think $15 is perfectly fair for movies that aren't even in theaters yet. I'd be willing to pay $20 if it was something still in theaters that I'd like to see, especially if it was something that I'd also want to take the wife and/or kids to (since at that point it would be quite a bit cheaper than the theater).

Anything over $20 would be questionable, but I'd definitely consider it. The cost of me going to see a family movie costs me ~$30 for three of us to go just for tickets.

Add in the benefits of not dealing with your average theater crowd, improperly calibrated theater setups, additional costs related to gas, food, and possibly a babysitter, plus being able to pause/rewind/FF, and I think it's perfectly reasonable.
post #10 of 21
I would have paid up to $20 for a film at home that was still in the theatre when I had young children. Our "dates" were subject to kids colds and sitters schedules.

Now I prefer to go to the plex and see movies on a huge screen.
post #11 of 21
Thread Starter 
So far nobody has chosen $20-30, just as I suspected.
post #12 of 21
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Originally Posted by moviegeek View Post

So far nobody has chosen $20-30, just as I suspected.

But plenty have specifically stated $20.

Perhaps you should have built the poll and not had an overlap with two options having $20.
post #13 of 21
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Originally Posted by moviegeek View Post

So far nobody has chosen $20-30, just as I suspected.

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Originally Posted by mproper View Post

Anything over $20 would be questionable, but I'd definitely consider it. The cost of me going to see a family movie costs me ~$30 for three of us to go just for tickets.

Yeah, I voted for 10-20, but certainly would consider more, depending on the title.

It all works out to average cost/person. At home, I could have 10 people over and split the cost of a UFC PPV event (somewhere around $50) but the average cost works out to a reasonable ~$5/person. Movies are the same.

I'm just saying if I could have watched (for example) Avatar at home for $30 when it was in theaters, and had 5 people over, I would have (average cost would be $6/person....tons cheaper than the theater). Would I pay $30 to watch it by myself? Nope. But I wouldn't pay $20 either. But throw in a second or third person to split the cost with (or realize that taking my wife to the theater would cost just as much, if not more), then it becomes much more cost-effective to watch it at home. Not to mention less annoying than the theater is.
post #14 of 21
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Originally Posted by mproper View Post

Both Survival of the Dead and Ondine (with Colin Farrel) are available on Zune Marketplace (1080p and 5.1) for $15. Neither hit theaters until late May/early June and have been available on Zune for a few weeks.

I think $15 is perfectly fair for movies that aren't even in theaters yet. I'd be willing to pay $20 if it was something still in theaters that I'd like to see, especially if it was something that I'd also want to take the wife and/or kids to (since at that point it would be quite a bit cheaper than the theater).

Anything over $20 would be questionable, but I'd definitely consider it. The cost of me going to see a family movie costs me ~$30 for three of us to go just for tickets.

Add in the benefits of not dealing with your average theater crowd, improperly calibrated theater setups, additional costs related to gas, food, and possibly a babysitter, plus being able to pause/rewind/FF, and I think it's perfectly reasonable.

I'm watching Survival of the Dead on HDNet movies right now. Caertainly a great deal since it doesn't cost me anything over my normal cable bill.
post #15 of 21
So I voted - I might be willing to pay for PPVs - but the biggest thing that stops me now is the 24 hour rule (once you start watching) on all the PPVs (Directv, Zune, etc) I have tried. If I rent a Blu-Ray from Netflix and I don't watch the whole movie in one night - I can see the rest later. Not true with PPV. If I had a week to watch it (or even 2 - 3 days) I might get more PPVs. I think the studios are daft on this one - throwing away PPV revenue for an artificially short viewing period.
post #16 of 21
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

I'm watching Survival of the Dead on HDNet movies right now. Caertainly a great deal since it doesn't cost me anything over my normal cable bill.

Thanks for the heads up - just set it to record. So is it worth watching - it is probably not a movie for me - I am recording it more for my college age sons so they and their mates have something movies they can watch when they are back for the summer. That is the great thing about a 1TB drive in a Directv DVR. Much better than PPV's that expire 24 hours after you start watching them.
post #17 of 21
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Originally Posted by undecided View Post

Thanks for the heads up - just set it to record. So is it worth watching - it is probably not a movie for me - I am recording it more for my college age sons so they and their mates have something movies they can watch when they are back for the summer. That is the great thing about a 1TB drive in a Directv DVR. Much better than PPV's that expire 24 hours after you start watching them.

I don't think it would have been worth paying money for it. Certainly not $15.
post #18 of 21
"Survival of the Dead" opened in theaters yesterday and in the Bay Area it was at all of two, one in San Francisco and the other Berkeley. However checking Vudu the price had dropped to $7.99 regardless of the format so I opted for viewing it in HDX. That was a bargain as there is no way even at matinee prices at either theater given transportation, parking, etc.

I liked the film and thought it was well done but not my favorite of his films. And I bet there'll be an "unrated" version on the DVD and Bluray version. I did suffer two "buffering" pauses on Vudu which I've never had before but being Friday night that might have been more an ISP problem than Vudu. There were some noticeable artifacts on the slow pans in the forest scenes but nowhere near the pixelation one my have with an MPEG-2 stream on cable.
post #19 of 21
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Originally Posted by Brian Conrad View Post

"Survival of the Dead" opened in theaters yesterday and in the Bay Area it was at all of two, one in San Francisco and the other Berkeley. However checking Vudu the price had dropped to $7.99 regardless of the format so I opted for viewing it in HDX. There were some noticeable artifacts on the slow pans in the forest scenes but nowhere near the pixelation one my have with an MPEG-2 stream on cable.

The OnDemand pricing is usually $10.99 before it hits theaters. Once it opens, the price drops to $7.99. After about another month, price goes down to $5.99. I recorded SURVIVAL for free via the HDNet Movies showing. Didn't notice any artifacting as you described...probably just the difference between broadcast and streaming. Have to see how REC 2 looks next month!

But primarily, I only pay for OnDemand when it's an Indie or smaller film (did that for 3 of the Tribeca offerings) and almost never for big studio films. Why? Because those smaller films usually do NOT get a Blu-Ray disc release, so it's the only way to see them in HD. Also, the bigger films are usually cropped (making the OnDemand fee a rip-off, IMHO) and the indies are nearly always OAR.
post #20 of 21
Nice to see that the majority is of my opinion: I won't pay one cent for pay-per-view for anything.
post #21 of 21
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Originally Posted by StevenFromTexas View Post

Nice to see that the majority is of my opinion: I won't pay one cent for pay-per-view for anything.

I chose that option, but I might spring for a few bucks (equal to the cost of renting it on DVD or BD). It also depends on the quality. If it isn't HD, forget it.
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